Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Telltails]

Parra have nothing to gain by releasing him. He’s on a pittance and now they have 12 months to convince him to backflip. Pretty smart actually.

I don't think he will try wiggle out ago

His family hate parra due to the treatment of his younger brother who had an injury and was apparently not looked after by the club

Parra upped Stefano offer multiple times to convince him to stay after they found out about tigers offer but he had no interest

A good season will definitely bond players and no doubt they will try to encourage him to break the contract at every opportunity. Doubt Wts will be doing Parramatta any more favours - but not ideal situation to be in.

 

[Furious1]

Read a lot of ranting about AD value and so on, heres the thing, what’s available other than him if he’s a 1 or 6 and what do they cost you?

**Off contract 2020 5/8th**
Connor Watson
Lachlan lam

That’s about it. Now you aren’t getting connor Watson so do you think LL is worth a punt and what $$ u Want to pay him? Is he better than AD?

Fullback, similar only edwards and aetkins available, both viable options and I’d assume could be pried away with a decent offer.

Do the tigers NEED that position filled for 2020? Probably not.

You look forward another year to 2021

Who’s available

Tedesco is up end of 2021, bring him home? Is that even an option?

Milford is available end of 2021 as well but by then is he really the player you want? Shaun Johnson? He’s past it. Luke keary? Maybe.

These are all things that factor in to when a club looks at a player for today and what’s available tomorrow. I never get asked for the numbers on players
Off contract for the year of only. It’s always players 1-2-3 years down the track.

Maybe they view Walters as benjis heir apparent. So if they are need to shell 600k for a SPECIALIST fullback I can seE why they won’t budge for AD. He’s simply at this point not worth a 5% cap hit.

You lost credibility right there. Contracts don't mean a thing.

 

[boonboon]

Also Shuan Joihnson is past it at 29 but our current five eight is 35 and last year was his best year and the games best player is 38

 

[Nelson]

Parra have nothing to gain by releasing him. He’s on a pittance and now they have 12 months to convince him to backflip. Pretty smart actually.

Yeah it'll look really smart when they fail to be competitive in landing development players in the future.

 

[Dyloh]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.

 

[twentyforty]

I would have thought as a rising star, Adam Doueihi would want a shorter contract, so he can show what he has at fullback for 2 seasons and then look around for a million dollar deal. Is he looking for insurance against injury?

I also don't think Souths want him to leave, he is just expensive now that he is not their first choice fullback.
I think he is their best bench utility
And their best backup for Latrell, who is not 100% fit and not certain to live up to his potential at fullback
And their best backup for Adam Reynolds, who had serious back issues for most of last year
And their best backup for Cody Walker, who looked like he has some serious confidence issues last year

I agree with all of that. He has done a great job in the 7 when Reynolds was out previously. The kid is an enormous talent.
I think Bennet is showing interest in Doueihi’s career above that of Souths. That’s why Bennet can get the best out of most players..they trust him and his judgement.

 

[Geo]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.

What is his best position...?

 

[wokesmoke]

Read a lot of ranting about AD value and so on, heres the thing, what’s available other than him if he’s a 1 or 6 and what do they cost you?

**Off contract 2020 5/8th**
Connor Watson
Lachlan lam

That’s about it. Now you aren’t getting connor Watson so do you think LL is worth a punt and what $$ u Want to pay him? Is he better than AD?

Fullback, similar only edwards and aetkins available, both viable options and I’d assume could be pried away with a decent offer.

Do the tigers NEED that position filled for 2020? Probably not.

You look forward another year to 2021

Who’s available

Tedesco is up end of 2021, bring him home? Is that even an option?

Milford is available end of 2021 as well but by then is he really the player you want? Shaun Johnson? He’s past it. Luke keary? Maybe.

These are all things that factor in to when a club looks at a player for today and what’s available tomorrow. I never get asked for the numbers on players
Off contract for the year of only. It’s always players 1-2-3 years down the track.

Maybe they view Walters as benjis heir apparent. So if they are need to shell 600k for a SPECIALIST fullback I can seE why they won’t budge for AD. He’s simply at this point not worth a 5% cap hit.

You lost credibility right there. Contracts don't mean a thing.

Well they mean something when forward planning for your team. Can’t be inactive in the player market because you hope a player contracted will get disgruntled. Wake up.

 

[wokesmoke]

Also Shuan Joihnson is past it at 29 but our current five eight is 35 and last year was his best year and the games best player is 38

Benji has shown the ability to adapt and add to his game as his natural abilities have diminished. SJ hasn’t to this point

 

[Dyloh]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.

What is his best position...?

I don't know big dog but I'm pretty sure he considers himself a half rather than a fullback.

 

[rustycage]

I've read some good points on both sides of the argument. Tough decision to be made when we're talking dollars. And I guess that what it comes down to. I think every club would like to have him, but he's a classic example of a player being worth significantly different amounts based on their needs. Across the board, we're probably more needy than most and therefore, are likely to offer more. It must be a headache for Madge & Pascoe & crew trying to balance what we need whilst keeping in mind the fact that the club has been burnt so much in the past with poor choices and price tags. Sometimes though, you just have to take a chance. Invest early and believe you can bring the player up to the payment level. The alternative is to have a Matterson/Moses like situation. We all want players contracted on the right coin. They need to invest in the club as much as the club needs to invest in them. Can Madge bring out the best in Doueihi? Probably yes. Do we pay overs to get him? Probably should at this point. Will we do that? Probably not. Madge seems to be pretty comfortable with our current FB. I can't decide. But thats why I fix leaking showers for a living.

 

[twentyforty]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.

You could go back and look at Doueihi’s rise to the top grade and label him an accidental Bunnies player in any position. He may become a test player by accident as well?

 

[Dyloh]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.


You could go back and look at Doueihi’s rise to the top grade and label him an accidental Bunnies player in any position. He may become a test player by accident as well?

I'm not sure where your going with this? I was simply stating that I don't think Doueihi is being pushed out because he isn't good enough? Geo said it's strange that Wayne is giving his position away but I'm not sure that is his position because he was only put there again because someone else on the team couldnt
do the job.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Parra have nothing to gain by releasing him. He’s on a pittance and now they have 12 months to convince him to backflip. Pretty smart actually.


Mental Health Card!!!

The Mitch Moses, get out of gaol free card.

 

[Make Tigers GA]

First time poster but long time follower. Re AD, a few points: 1) I feel sorry for the kid. He signed a contract with SS and it was massive overs for 2020-2021 but he’s entitled to hold them to the contract but the downside for him is that he won’t get a starting position and his skills will naturally dissipate. 2) I cannot see any other Club that are apparently interested ie Storm, Newcastle or Roosters paying the balance of his 2020 contract and paying 550k+ in 2021 and 2022 based on his experience to date. 3) even if Storm entertained a swap with SS for AD-JAC, I cannot see Bellamy paying overs for AD and Souths will not pay overs for JAC and foot any part of AD’s contract. 4) accordingly, I think Tigers have got their positioning on this right. AD is a good player with potential, but he has a price. And bear in mind, if Souths don’t offload him, they’ve got 550k+ To pay him next year. FWIW, I’d offer him 375k for balance of this year, 450k next year, 550k in 2022, and fourth year option in Club’s favour at 550k. I wouldn’t begrudge 50k here or there but he’s not a 600k a year player at this stage. I don’t see a 4 year contract in either party’s favour but I see an option as better.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.


You could go back and look at Doueihi’s rise to the top grade and label him an accidental Bunnies player in any position. He may become a test player by accident as well?

Test player that’s stretching the imagination a bit too far.

 

[Furious1]

Also Shuan Joihnson is past it at 29 but our current five eight is 35 and last year was his best year and the games best player is 38

Benji has shown the ability to adapt and add to his game as his natural abilities have diminished. SJ hasn’t to this point

I’m a wake up to you mate. I have also read that WT won’t be pushed and may wait to see what “ disgruntled” players are available before June 30. Seems they don’t think much of contracts either.
Anyway, I will leave it at as I don’t want to hijack the topic.

 

[TonyTiger]

Werent AJ and Gagai offered up way before Doueihi was? Saying Doueihi isn't good enough for Souths backline seems pretty ignorant.


Ignorant? Wayne Bennett, the master "man manager" told Doueihi he wasnt good enough for Souffs backline. Its a statement of fact. Why do you think it is possible that the Tigers can sign him despite the fact he has more than a year to go on his contract?

Ignorant?

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact a 20 year old kids pathway is being blocked by higher profile /paid players? Seems obvious that they couldn't get any takers for AJ and Gagai and can't have them playing in CC. Just resigned Walker, they have their long term half in Reynolds and now Latrell. Where do you want this "Unproven" kid to prove himself?


Not at all. If he is better than Burns, AJ, Gagai, or Campbell Graham, I expect him to try to push himself into the team. Why cant they have AJ or Gagai playing CC if Doueihi is good enough? Did we have Reynolds and Packer in CC?

This "unproven"kid (not 20yo, almost 22, almost the same age as LM) is on $600K. You dont think that is why Bennett is pushing him out? But we should leap to Souffs aid and pay him $2.4M over 4 years? This "unproven" kid cant force himself into a spot in the Souffs backline and they have to pay him $600K, you dont think THAT is why Bennett is pushing him out?

Nah sorry I honestly don't see it that way. I see a kid that has filled every position for that Souths team when hes been asked while biding his time behind Reynolds, Walker and Inglis.


Mate Im with you. Kid can play, fantastic utility value, some value at fullback, zero experience at 5/8. I'd have him at Tigers, just not for $2.4M

Yeah I'm not responding to his price tag, I was just pointing out the fact I don't think it's lack of talent that keeps the kid from getting a starting spot at Souths.

You're right Wayne 'cares' is...

Still seems fishy that Wayne cares so much to sign and resign other players in Doueihi's position...

I'm not sure where the Wayne cares bit comes from but I don't think Doueihi considers fullback his best position, again it's just a position he was thrown into after they tried AJ there with no luck.


You could go back and look at Doueihi’s rise to the top grade and label him an accidental Bunnies player in any position. He may become a test player by accident as well?

I'm not sure where your going with this? I was simply stating that I don't think Doueihi is being pushed out because he isn't good enough? Geo said it's strange that Wayne is giving his position away but I'm not sure that is his position because he was only put there again because someone else on the team couldnt
do the job.

Wayne is giving his position away to appease the new sook on the block (Latrell).
If we are any chance of securing a player like JAC then we need to hold funds in reserve, not blow it on a Jack Of All Trades.
Corey is more in the Tedesco mould than Doueihi so let’s show some patience and ready ourselves for the JAC showdown - guns are 10 paces.
Also, quality players will be released by clubs to be cap compliant and will be forced to pay freight.
In the meantime lock in BJ, he adds to passion and mongrel we need, I see him as John Hopoate#2. (They were exciting times, until the finger was unleashed)

 

[jadtiger]

First time poster but long time follower. Re AD, a few points: 1) I feel sorry for the kid. He signed a contract with SS and it was massive overs for 2020-2021 but he’s entitled to hold them to the contract but the downside for him is that he won’t get a starting position and his skills will naturally dissipate. 2) I cannot see any other Club that are apparently interested ie Storm, Newcastle or Roosters paying the balance of his 2020 contract and paying 550k+ in 2021 and 2022 based on his experience to date. 3) even if Storm entertained a swap with SS for AD-JAC, I cannot see Bellamy paying overs for AD and Souths will not pay overs for JAC and foot any part of AD’s contract. 4) accordingly, I think Tigers have got their positioning on this right. AD is a good player with potential, but he has a price. And bear in mind, if Souths don’t offload him, they’ve got 550k+ To pay him next year. FWIW, I’d offer him 375k for balance of this year, 450k next year, 550k in 2022, and fourth year option in Club’s favour at 550k. I wouldn’t begrudge 50k here or there but he’s not a 600k a year player at this stage. I don’t see a 4 year contract in either party’s favour but I see an option as better.

That is the most sensible post i have read in regards to him at about the right price that he would be currently worth imo.
Excellent first post

 

[Make Tigers GA]

Re Stefano. Parra’s running a business and will act in their interests. Good on them - they figure their best chance is to get Stefano to flip. Good luck. Equally, I think Tigers were right to release Moses and Matto at their respective times. Moses, according to Cleary has downed tools. Matto wasn’t buying into Madge’s culture - not the first time he clashed with coaches. Maybe a fair criticism could be that Tigers should have extracted a return or break fee, but that doesn’t mean Tigers didn’t act in a commercially sound way in releasing these players. But why waste our energy bashing the Eels for taking their own position - it takes us nowhere.