SMH: Maguire not the problem

[Bigscreentv]

You can't blame Brooks for the forwards running one-out all year, for the drop balls, for the stupid penalties...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Chammas best bud Sam Ayoub..Sam Ayoub manages Jackson Hastings..interesting..

Club drip feeds Chammas as well too though.

 

[Moh]

We scored 30....

Let in 34. And 26+ in almost all of the past 15 games.

Yes, Brooks has been underwhelming for a long time, but he's far from our only problem. And as some have said, it was one of his better games.

Our defense is attrocious.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

You can't blame Brooks for the forwards running one-out all year, for the drop balls, for the stupid penalties...

When we were attacking near their line chasing points in the second half, he went right looking for runners. The backline was so flat he had to turn back inside because the Cowboy defence was upon them. Where is the depth?

 

[Russell]

Last year, the club identified speed and leadership as the 2 biggest weaknesses.

We bought Tamou but ýou don't fix the leadership gap with just him. Particularly if he only plays 26 mins.

I've been supporting Brooks and hoping it works out but fact is we need a controlling confident halfback who can lead this team around the park.

2 things that stood out to me:
In that first half we were all bunch up and heads down. Needer a halfback to boss the guys around and organise.
Also attacking in their 20, Brooks can't break them down.

Not many options out there for quality halfback. We need to make a big play for Reynolds (Adam not Josh ?). Has a connection with Madge, Douehi and Roberts.

Ps. Not sure if we fixed the speed issue yet either. Roberts did not chase those first couple of tries. Isnt he meant to be one of the fastest players in the comp???

Sorry only replying to one part of your post but it stood out to me. Did Tamou sit on the bench the entire 2nd half ?

Yep he didn't play 2nd half

That is interesting ... and something to read into. Tamou was bought for on field leadership, and what we saw in the 1st half (and well all our games this year thus far) has been the complete opposite.

I hate to say it but I think he’s just his to collect his retirement money. Doueihi showing raw emotion and passion in the 2nd half is what we need moving forward

Needs to go back to Easter Island where his heads at .
$350k for a 27 minute stint lmao
Where do i sign up ?

You were right Hobbo. He’s a massive plodder.

Thanks mate ..

To all you other Easter Island head lovers I’ll accept apologies in my inbox
?

Well Hobbo, you won't get one from me.

You have put crap on just about every player we have at one time or another - so you had to think you were right at some stage.

Bit like backing every horse in a race and trumpeting that you have backed a winner.

 

[Russell]

Someone in our management is inept. This should not be leaked but this is their typical gutless response, to find a scapegoat.

Go Go gadget and Pascoe need to go

Brydens can shove it for all I care

Pascoe doesn't cop enough for overseeing this, year after year. Seems good with the corporates but at organising a competitive footy club? Not so much.

Yep, you're right I saw him miss the Hammer on that first try - in fact another three and what was he thinking giving those two "six agains" away - not to speak of those three ridiculous passes.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You can't blame Brooks for the forwards running one-out all year, for the drop balls, for the stupid penalties...

No that is true. The whole team lacks discipline. The coach is a disciplinarian, so where to it from here?

 

[Geo]

Chammas best bud Sam Ayoub..Sam Ayoub manages Jackson Hastings..interesting..

Club drip feeds Chammas as well too though.

I'll check..

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Chammas best bud Sam Ayoub..Sam Ayoub manages Jackson Hastings..interesting..

Club drip feeds Chammas as well too though.

I'll check..

If you could, I get the impression that this is the case.

 

[earl]

Yeah given where the opposition tries are being scored, it's not really the fault of Brooks, but then I still don't think he's capable to lead the team around.

The cap is coming back in order, we're no longer going to pay over for players, the Centre of Excellence will improve the training and make us more attractive to come to, but after so long without a finals appearance, everyone wants instant success or at least clear indications of moving forward on the field.

We've had a lot of false starts over the years, periods where we thought we were on the road to improving only to be let down time and time again.

We definitely need new centre/wing combinations, not sure a different halfback would make that much of a difference at this stage.

This sums up the situation to me.

 

[TYGA]

It’s pretty obvious we have big issues defensively on the edges. Both flogging Roosters and Cowboys first half exposed this.

We need two new centres, winger and hopefully Blore comes back shortly. Before anything else happens we have to fix the outside backs. Blind Freddy can see this Payten had a plan and they cruelled our lack of athleticism.

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.
- Our forwards run one-out all year and the entire first half yesterday.
- Our backs have no depth in attack.
- The team apparently lacks commitment and work ethic. Maguire response? Let's sign James Roberts when we already have one mentally-weak player in the backline who can't control his temper.
- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.
- We didn't offload once in the first half yesterday.

Madge might be saying we need to do the above...he either isn't and that's the issue, or he is and the players aren't listening. Either way, it's not good.

I was at the game yesterday and to me it looked like the players deliberately didn't pass the ball to James Roberts. They never went right, and on the odd occasion they did, Doueihi cut him out or stepped back inside.
If you have the time go back and try and find one time where Roberts received the ball off of something structured. Even better, try and find an occasion where the backs actually had some depth and organisation ion the first half. We have no structure/the players don't listen. Worst of all, the players don't seem to want to play for each other. I think there's a cultural issue in the team where things aren't gelling, the players aren't responding and that starts and ends with the coaching staff.

No doubt Madge has a tough job to turn this club around, but it's not working. He's not the man for the job.

Ive been one of his biggest supporters and i still love the job he has done in recruitment but you and anyone else calling for his head has every right.

Just as we did when it became obvious Jason Taylor wasnt the answer.

He can talk all he wants the truth is he isnt getting the results he wants out of the players he has invested his trust in. Ie Brooks, Roberts, Tamou.

 

[Masterton]

Also attacking in their 20, Brooks can’t break them down.

Our attack in the 20 frustrates me also, but he is leading the comp in try assists. He must be doing ok.

 

[Masterton]

I’m no longer a believer in Brooks but he’s not the reason we’ve let in 20 points for 15 games straight now.

There are massive issues at the club. Huge issues. I think the Madge experiment has failed, I think the recruitment (which I thought was great) in the off-season has been a failure and I think the culture of the club absolutely sucks.

Yesterday was an important day but ended up an embarrassment, starting with our sponsor holding up the number 7 jersey. We absolutely deserve to be ridiculed by rival fans and the media because we are a joke. There is no way to defend yesterday.

I'm with you here avo on all you've said here.
Whilst Im not a believer or a fan of the garden gnome I dont believe he's the reason for the crap that was dishes up yesterday.
Something else is very rotten at this club. But, maybe it's for the best of both Luke and us to part ways (if possible).

Nofoaluma should be the 1st player dropped
Utter train wreck

If the performance wasn't diabolical, that looking toward the crowd after scoring the no try was lacking in humility. It was thoroughly cringeworthy and so out of sync with the game.

Each to their own. I felt it was more an attempt to get the crowd behind the "comeback".

 

[hobbo1]

Last year, the club identified speed and leadership as the 2 biggest weaknesses.

We bought Tamou but ýou don't fix the leadership gap with just him. Particularly if he only plays 26 mins.

I've been supporting Brooks and hoping it works out but fact is we need a controlling confident halfback who can lead this team around the park.

2 things that stood out to me:
In that first half we were all bunch up and heads down. Needer a halfback to boss the guys around and organise.
Also attacking in their 20, Brooks can't break them down.

Not many options out there for quality halfback. We need to make a big play for Reynolds (Adam not Josh ?). Has a connection with Madge, Douehi and Roberts.

Ps. Not sure if we fixed the speed issue yet either. Roberts did not chase those first couple of tries. Isnt he meant to be one of the fastest players in the comp???

Sorry only replying to one part of your post but it stood out to me. Did Tamou sit on the bench the entire 2nd half ?

Yep he didn't play 2nd half

That is interesting ... and something to read into. Tamou was bought for on field leadership, and what we saw in the 1st half (and well all our games this year thus far) has been the complete opposite.

I hate to say it but I think he’s just his to collect his retirement money. Doueihi showing raw emotion and passion in the 2nd half is what we need moving forward

Needs to go back to Easter Island where his heads at .
$350k for a 27 minute stint lmao
Where do i sign up ?

You were right Hobbo. He’s a massive plodder.

Thanks mate ..

To all you other Easter Island head lovers I’ll accept apologies in my inbox
?

Well Hobbo, you won't get one from me.

You have put crap on just about every player we have at one time or another - so you had to think you were right at some stage.

Bit like backing every horse in a race and trumpeting that you have backed a winner.

Ahhh
Good old Russell .. the rusted on barnacle..
You hang on tight mate ..the ship will go down soon !

 

[jirskyr]

Michael Maguire has a clause in his recently-extended two-year contract that would allow the Wests Tigers to hit the eject button without much of an impact to the bottom line.

Never heard of this before, interesting.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Last year, the club identified speed and leadership as the 2 biggest weaknesses.

We bought Tamou but ýou don't fix the leadership gap with just him. Particularly if he only plays 26 mins.

I've been supporting Brooks and hoping it works out but fact is we need a controlling confident halfback who can lead this team around the park.

2 things that stood out to me:
In that first half we were all bunch up and heads down. Needer a halfback to boss the guys around and organise.
Also attacking in their 20, Brooks can't break them down.

Not many options out there for quality halfback. We need to make a big play for Reynolds (Adam not Josh ?). Has a connection with Madge, Douehi and Roberts.

Ps. Not sure if we fixed the speed issue yet either. Roberts did not chase those first couple of tries. Isnt he meant to be one of the fastest players in the comp???

Sorry only replying to one part of your post but it stood out to me. Did Tamou sit on the bench the entire 2nd half ?

Yep he didn't play 2nd half

That is interesting ... and something to read into. Tamou was bought for on field leadership, and what we saw in the 1st half (and well all our games this year thus far) has been the complete opposite.

I hate to say it but I think he’s just his to collect his retirement money. Doueihi showing raw emotion and passion in the 2nd half is what we need moving forward

Needs to go back to Easter Island where his heads at .
$350k for a 27 minute stint lmao
Where do i sign up ?

You were right Hobbo. He’s a massive plodder.

Thanks mate ..

To all you other Easter Island head lovers I’ll accept apologies in my inbox
?

Well Hobbo, you won't get one from me.

You have put crap on just about every player we have at one time or another - so you had to think you were right at some stage.

Bit like backing every horse in a race and trumpeting that you have backed a winner.

Ahhh
Good old Russell .. the rusted on barnacle..
You hang on tight mate ..the ship will go down soon !

Russell would pick Nofoaluma no matter what never his fault our David. See what happens you have dinner with the chairman and a 4 year deal awaits geez
Liddle is going well but we need to give Simpkin a go soon from bench just not sure against souths is the option

 

[jirskyr]

If the powerbrokers are asking the question of this figure, maybe they should be approaching the person for a paid role in getting this place sorted.

My guess it's Phil Gould, and whether or not that guess is accurate, I would suspect the "powerbroker" is either not interested or too busy to become a Tigers consultant. Gould has that gig with Warriors in 2021, time will tell if it makes a difference, because they are traveling no better than us.

There are a lot of folks in rugby league who actually don't have much skin in the game, upon which it's easy to provide feedback and suggestions. And I'm not saying the commentary isn't valid, just that it's a different thing to give advice compared to actually having to execute the advice.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

If the powerbrokers are asking the question of this figure, maybe they should be approaching the person for a paid role in getting this place sorted.

My guess it's Phil Gould, and whether or not that guess is accurate, I would suspect the "powerbroker" is either not interested or too busy to become a Tigers consultant. Gould has that gig with Warriors in 2021, time will tell if it makes a difference, because they are traveling no better than us.

There are a lot of folks in rugby league who actually don't have much skin in the game, upon which it's easy to provide feedback and suggestions. And I'm not saying the commentary isn't valid, just that it's a different thing to give advice compared to actually having to execute the advice.

Lee also sponsors the blues so it could be Freddy

 

[jirskyr]

The consistent blame on Brooks is beyond ridiculous but is so firmly entrenched, for his sake he should leave. Payten is the perfect coach for him and getting away from Sydney for a bit would do wonders for his mental health and probably his game. I'd love to see him playing good footy but can't see it happening here with a fan base who has lost tolerance for losing, and large portion of them deciding he is at the centre of the problem.

It's funny, I hate most players that leave Tigers, however if Brooks was to leave and find success somewhere else, a little part of me would feel happy for him. He's basically been criticised for all bar 2 seasons of his career for not being the footballer other people said he would be.

Players labelled "the next Sonny Bill" or the "next Andrew Johns" typically find themselves in a lot of bother as their career progresses to not be elite-immortal level.