SMH: Maguire not the problem

[Deleted member 3518]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

How do you figure that ? If they train well , do everything they’re supposed to do , warm up well , and then mentally fall into a heap , whilst out there , how is it the coaches fault ? Outside of engaging mental health professionals.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The bottom line is the main reason to keep Madge on is stability and because of all the negative stuff before...

In other words, keep him because of so many problems in the past...not based on his own record / coaching.

This is a huge issue as, yes, we need stability. Big time.

But we also need a good coach and his record to date has been very poor...there seems no real game plan and the D is terrible.

So, do we let the past instability dictate we keep him? I don't know.

There are no coaches available with a long term proven track record of being better than Madge. John Morris has done well in a short period but people said the same of Seibold at Souths. If we sack Madge and the next coach turns out to be a dud, that will be the end of this club.

Morris has done well at the Sharks taking over during a very difficult period as well as overseeing the transition from the Gallen years. Fifita's role has diminished but most importantly many of these younger players came
through when he was involved in their pathways' programme. He lost one of his big hopes in Xerri but he has transitioned Ruddolph and that strong second row forward into the NRL.

 

[Guest]

.............. At half time one of the most respected figures in rugby league walked into the corporate suite full of Tigers directors and hanger-onners to an avalanche of questions............

Blocker?

Nah they said "respected" :joy: Hopefully Gould, at least he has some clue of what he's talking about.

I find it strange that anyone on this forum is unaware of the disdain that Gould has for Wests.
It's even more annoying that the architect of the greatest piece of treachery perpetrated on this club would ever be mentioned in a positive light.
Gould is loathsome.
He never misses an opportunity to kick the club when it's down with a snide tweet or remark.

I recall Gould referring quite fondly to the Tigers on many occasions.

About as fondly as a schoolyard bully patting his victim on the head after pantsing him.
Memories like goldfish on here.

 

[Sco77y]

.............. At half time one of the most respected figures in rugby league walked into the corporate suite full of Tigers directors and hanger-onners to an avalanche of questions............

Blocker?

Nah they said "respected" :joy: Hopefully Gould, at least he has some clue of what he's talking about.

I find it strange that anyone on this forum is unaware of the disdain that Gould has for Wests.
It's even more annoying that the architect of the greatest piece of treachery perpetrated on this club would ever be mentioned in a positive light.
Gould is loathsome.
He never misses an opportunity to kick the club when it's down with a snide tweet or remark.

I recall Gould referring quite fondly to the Tigers on many occasions.

About as fondly as a schoolyard bully patting his victim on the head after pantsing him.
Memories like goldfish on here.

If you have some quotes/sources I'd be happy to see them, otherwise his commentary says otherwise - if you didn't know better you'd think he was a fan.

Always seems to be angling some good bias toward us, and has been a fan of quite a few of our players over the years which he's openly mentioned.

 

[TillLindemann]

The bottom line is the main reason to keep Madge on is stability and because of all the negative stuff before...

In other words, keep him because of so many problems in the past...not based on his own record / coaching.

This is a huge issue as, yes, we need stability. Big time.

But we also need a good coach and his record to date has been very poor...there seems no real game plan and the D is terrible.

So, do we let the past instability dictate we keep him? I don't know.

There are no coaches available with a long term proven track record of being better than Madge. John Morris has done well in a short period but people said the same of Seibold at Souths. If we sack Madge and the next coach turns out to be a dud, that will be the end of this club.

Morris has done well at the Sharks taking over during a very difficult period as well as overseeing the transition from the Gallen years. Fifita's role has diminished but most importantly many of these younger players came
through when he was involved in their pathways' programme. He lost one of his big hopes in Xerri but he has transitioned Ruddolph and that strong second row forward into the NRL.

Yes Morris has done well, but not over a long period is what I meant.

 

[Spartan117]

So Brooks is on 550k, no 650k, no 900k
Which one is it ?

The answer is - no matter how much it is ... To much..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The bottom line is the main reason to keep Madge on is stability and because of all the negative stuff before...

In other words, keep him because of so many problems in the past...not based on his own record / coaching.

This is a huge issue as, yes, we need stability. Big time.

But we also need a good coach and his record to date has been very poor...there seems no real game plan and the D is terrible.

So, do we let the past instability dictate we keep him? I don't know.

There are no coaches available with a long term proven track record of being better than Madge. John Morris has done well in a short period but people said the same of Seibold at Souths. If we sack Madge and the next coach turns out to be a dud, that will be the end of this club.

Morris has done well at the Sharks taking over during a very difficult period as well as overseeing the transition from the Gallen years. Fifita's role has diminished but most importantly many of these younger players came
through when he was involved in their pathways' programme. He lost one of his big hopes in Xerri but he has transitioned Ruddolph and that strong second row forward into the NRL.

Yes Morris has done well, but not over a long period is what I meant.

Certainly. I just like him and believe he has been hard done by at the Sharks.

 

[Magpieger]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.
- Our forwards run one-out all year and the entire first half yesterday.
- Our backs have no depth in attack.
- The team apparently lacks commitment and work ethic. Maguire response? Let's sign James Roberts when we already have one mentally-weak player in the backline who can't control his temper.
- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.
- We didn't offload once in the first half yesterday.

Madge might be saying we need to do the above...he either isn't and that's the issue, or he is and the players aren't listening. Either way, it's not good.

I was at the game yesterday and **to me it looked like the players deliberately didn't pass the ball to James Roberts. They never went right, and on the odd occasion they did, Doueihi cut him out or stepped back inside**.
If you have the time go back and try and find one time where Roberts received the ball off of something structured. Even better, try and find an occasion where the backs actually had some depth and organisation ion the first half. We have no structure/the players don't listen. Worst of all, the players don't seem to want to play for each other. I think there's a cultural issue in the team where things aren't gelling, the players aren't responding and that starts and ends with the coaching staff.

No doubt Madge has a tough job to turn this club around, but it's not working. He's not the man for the job.

I noticed this also. When the hell are they going to get him the ball?! I don't think we're gonna see his best until they get him involved early. So far it hasn't happened and probably why he looks disinterested.

 

[yeahcaz]

There’s no issues with Brooks ball playing or ability to set up tries, that he’s been quite good at but his game management is horrendous. I said to a friend yesterday watching the game that he kicks like we’re winning every game 20+. No real height or placement of the bombs and no variety on them whatsoever.

I’d be sorting our edge defence before anything to do with Brooks. All season so far, everytime a team shifts wide they look like they’ll score

 

[innsaneink]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

How do you figure that ? If they train well , do everything they’re supposed to do , warm up well , and then mentally fall into a heap , whilst out there , how is it the coaches fault ? Outside of engaging mental health professionals.

They clearly weren't prepared... You couldn't see that?
First try to them... no hunger it was like as someone else put it "oh well well get that one back next"
It's clear the preparation and whatever they're doing to in still some aggro and attitude isn't there... It's. Like they didn't give a stuff.. I'm sick of it

 

[innsaneink]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.
- Our forwards run one-out all year and the entire first half yesterday.
- Our backs have no depth in attack.
- The team apparently lacks commitment and work ethic. Maguire response? Let's sign James Roberts when we already have one mentally-weak player in the backline who can't control his temper.
- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.
- We didn't offload once in the first half yesterday.

Madge might be saying we need to do the above...he either isn't and that's the issue, or he is and the players aren't listening. Either way, it's not good.

I was at the game yesterday and **to me it looked like the players deliberately didn't pass the ball to James Roberts. They never went right, and on the odd occasion they did, Doueihi cut him out or stepped back inside**.
If you have the time go back and try and find one time where Roberts received the ball off of something structured. Even better, try and find an occasion where the backs actually had some depth and organisation ion the first half. We have no structure/the players don't listen. Worst of all, the players don't seem to want to play for each other. I think there's a cultural issue in the team where things aren't gelling, the players aren't responding and that starts and ends with the coaching staff.

No doubt Madge has a tough job to turn this club around, but it's not working. He's not the man for the job.

I noticed this also. When the hell are they going to get him the ball?! I don't think we're gonna see his best until they get him involved early. So far it hasn't happened and probably why he looks disinterested.

35 minutes before he touched it.... He had to go. Looking for. It in the 2nd half

 

[Furious1]

.............. At half time one of the most respected figures in rugby league walked into the corporate suite full of Tigers directors and hanger-onners to an avalanche of questions............

Blocker?

Nah they said "respected" :joy: Hopefully Gould, at least he has some clue of what he's talking about.

I find it strange that anyone on this forum is unaware of the disdain that Gould has for Wests.
It's even more annoying that the architect of the greatest piece of treachery perpetrated on this club would ever be mentioned in a positive light.
Gould is loathsome.
He never misses an opportunity to kick the club when it's down with a snide tweet or remark.

Completely wrong mate. I know for a fact it had nothing to do with Gould and by that treachery you speak of happening, it basically forced the end of his tenure at Penrith. He was not a fan of Griffin ( in the end) but he certainly was not advocating going after Cleary.

 

[Magpieger]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.
- Our forwards run one-out all year and the entire first half yesterday.
- Our backs have no depth in attack.
- The team apparently lacks commitment and work ethic. Maguire response? Let's sign James Roberts when we already have one mentally-weak player in the backline who can't control his temper.
- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.
- We didn't offload once in the first half yesterday.

Madge might be saying we need to do the above...he either isn't and that's the issue, or he is and the players aren't listening. Either way, it's not good.

I was at the game yesterday and **to me it looked like the players deliberately didn't pass the ball to James Roberts. They never went right, and on the odd occasion they did, Doueihi cut him out or stepped back inside**.
If you have the time go back and try and find one time where Roberts received the ball off of something structured. Even better, try and find an occasion where the backs actually had some depth and organisation ion the first half. We have no structure/the players don't listen. Worst of all, the players don't seem to want to play for each other. I think there's a cultural issue in the team where things aren't gelling, the players aren't responding and that starts and ends with the coaching staff.

No doubt Madge has a tough job to turn this club around, but it's not working. He's not the man for the job.

I noticed this also. When the hell are they going to get him the ball?! I don't think we're gonna see his best until they get him involved early. So far it hasn't happened and probably why he looks disinterested.

35 minutes before he touched it.... He had to go. Looking for. It in the 2nd half

See now, that's absurd to me, that we have an attacking strike weapon and we do nothing to utilise him. Five rounds in and he's yet to see any meaningful ball.
Does it just pan out like that? Maybe sometimes...but surely this is where game management comes into it and tailoring/altering a game plan on the fly to suit the feel of a game.
Maybe Madge needs to declare an edict.

 

[gallagher]

It looks like the playing group are just waiting until the club chops Madge.

 

[ElleryHanley]

The bottom line is the main reason to keep Madge on is stability and because of all the negative stuff before...

In other words, keep him because of so many problems in the past...not based on his own record / coaching.

This is a huge issue as, yes, we need stability. Big time.

But we also need a good coach and his record to date has been very poor...there seems no real game plan and the D is terrible.

So, do we let the past instability dictate we keep him? I don't know.

There are no coaches available with a long term proven track record of being better than Madge. John Morris has done well in a short period but people said the same of Seibold at Souths. If we sack Madge and the next coach turns out to be a dud, that will be the end of this club.

Agreed.

It is a very tough spot we are in. We probably have to ride it out with him.

The risk is that we are something like 3 and 15 now...lots of huge scores against...and very basic game plans...

Six more months of this and we may be in a pretty deep hole and very few players are improving / Madge has a hard time recruiting elite players.

It is a tough spot. We basically 'have' to start winning, or at least put in huge D efforts where we lose 18-14 etc to strong teams. Griffin has turned Saints around, so it can be done.

 

[Russell]

Last year, the club identified speed and leadership as the 2 biggest weaknesses.

We bought Tamou but ýou don't fix the leadership gap with just him. Particularly if he only plays 26 mins.

I've been supporting Brooks and hoping it works out but fact is we need a controlling confident halfback who can lead this team around the park.

2 things that stood out to me:
In that first half we were all bunch up and heads down. Needer a halfback to boss the guys around and organise.
Also attacking in their 20, Brooks can't break them down.

Not many options out there for quality halfback. We need to make a big play for Reynolds (Adam not Josh ?). Has a connection with Madge, Douehi and Roberts.

Ps. Not sure if we fixed the speed issue yet either. Roberts did not chase those first couple of tries. Isnt he meant to be one of the fastest players in the comp???

Sorry only replying to one part of your post but it stood out to me. Did Tamou sit on the bench the entire 2nd half ?

Yep he didn't play 2nd half

That is interesting ... and something to read into. Tamou was bought for on field leadership, and what we saw in the 1st half (and well all our games this year thus far) has been the complete opposite.

I hate to say it but I think he’s just his to collect his retirement money. Doueihi showing raw emotion and passion in the 2nd half is what we need moving forward

Needs to go back to Easter Island where his heads at .
$350k for a 27 minute stint lmao
Where do i sign up ?

You were right Hobbo. He’s a massive plodder.

Thanks mate ..

To all you other Easter Island head lovers I’ll accept apologies in my inbox
?

Well Hobbo, you won't get one from me.

You have put crap on just about every player we have at one time or another - so you had to think you were right at some stage.

Bit like backing every horse in a race and trumpeting that you have backed a winner.

Ahhh
Good old Russell .. the rusted on barnacle..
You hang on tight mate ..the ship will go down soon !

And you keep ripping into every one and sundry.

I look forward to one day reading a positive post from you.

Unfortunately I think hell will freeze over first. Luv ya just the same Hobbo!

 

[BAGNF05]

Did any of those powerbrokers go down to the dressing sheds before the game and tell every player individually what that day meant to the people who had paid their money and shown up? And what it meant to Tommy’s friends and family. And to league fans of over 40 years who adored Tommy. Or did they just sip free beer and whinge.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

It looks like the playing group are just waiting until the club chops Madge.

If there is one thing Wests Tigers do know how to do, it's how to get a coach sacked. It's engrained in us. It's almost the only thing we have a culture for.

 

[jirskyr]

.............. At half time one of the most respected figures in rugby league walked into the corporate suite full of Tigers directors and hanger-onners to an avalanche of questions............

Blocker?

Nah they said "respected" :joy: Hopefully Gould, at least he has some clue of what he's talking about.

I find it strange that anyone on this forum is unaware of the disdain that Gould has for Wests.
It's even more annoying that the architect of the greatest piece of treachery perpetrated on this club would ever be mentioned in a positive light.
Gould is loathsome.
He never misses an opportunity to kick the club when it's down with a snide tweet or remark.

I recall Gould referring quite fondly to the Tigers on many occasions.

About as fondly as a schoolyard bully patting his victim on the head after pantsing him.
Memories like goldfish on here.

Produce the quotes then, to back up your assertion.

 

[Guest]

.............. At half time one of the most respected figures in rugby league walked into the corporate suite full of Tigers directors and hanger-onners to an avalanche of questions............

Blocker?

Nah they said "respected" :joy: Hopefully Gould, at least he has some clue of what he's talking about.

I find it strange that anyone on this forum is unaware of the disdain that Gould has for Wests.
It's even more annoying that the architect of the greatest piece of treachery perpetrated on this club would ever be mentioned in a positive light.
Gould is loathsome.
He never misses an opportunity to kick the club when it's down with a snide tweet or remark.

Nonsense.