SMH: Maguire not the problem

[Blake]

Rubbish article trying to create the drama that the media thrives on. Next we will hear "where there is smoke, there is fire".

Brooks has been one of our best players for the last 3 weeks, he has been doing his job.

The people that kept dropping the ball in the first half when the Tigers were in good attacking positions should get most of the blame.

The Cowboys got very lucky on several "Hail Mary" plays when they were gifted possession several times and only just won.

But hey, the boring truth does not generate as many clicks and does not make the "fans" feel better so lets sack everyone.

 

[BZN]

Unfortunately I can't help but look at this from another angle.
Our coaches and players have often been used as scapegoats, for our lack of onfield success, just as much as our club and team club culture is brought into the conversation.
So perhaps when players don't sign with us it's not only because of our image - due to the exacerbation caused by any negative media attention - but that they just don't wish to have that added pressure on them.
I don't think the lower standard of being assigned with helping a club makes finals footy is the biggest reason that we can't land top line signatures. But moreso no one wants to risk becoming the whipping boy due to the club's/team's ongoing failure.

I'm actually stunned by the number of comments suggesting that Luke Brooks needs to feel all the pressure of this. As I think the club is a little demoralising (or certainly has been in the past) and a pressure cooker environment which has only caused players to languish. Not many players will thrive in these conditions and it needs to be rectified for our next lot of talented juniors, so we're not only a chance of keeping them but more importantly a club capable of optimally nurturing their development.

G'day @Lauren another sensible well written post with the word of the day included "exacerbation"...well done.


Awww you're too good @MAGPIES1963 !
You'd have to be the most chipper, upbeat and pleasant Wests Tigers supporter there is ??

What's your secret?
Please do tell.

[/QUOTE]

What's my secret...this is just between you and me...it just comes natural :joy: :upside_down_face: :clown_face: .

 

[Spud_Murphy]

he is a 6 he would go well at cowboys with Reynolds at 7 if that happens

That could probably work just as well here too, but we’re too dopey to consider chasing Reynolds.

 

[Telltails]

If Robbie F brother is still the physio at South's - I guess he would know what the status is with Reynolds.

 

[Needaname]

The consistent blame on Brooks is beyond ridiculous but is so firmly entrenched, for his sake he should leave. Payten is the perfect coach for him and getting away from Sydney for a bit would do wonders for his mental health and probably his game. I'd love to see him playing good footy but can't see it happening here with a fan base who has lost tolerance for losing, and large portion of them deciding he is at the centre of the problem.

It's funny, I hate most players that leave Tigers, however if Brooks was to leave and find success somewhere else, a little part of me would feel happy for him. He's basically been criticised for all bar 2 seasons of his career for not being the footballer other people said he would be.

Players labelled "the next Sonny Bill" or the "next Andrew Johns" typically find themselves in a lot of bother as their career progresses to not be elite-immortal level.

Agree, i was having this discussion with mates. Players named the next of anyone never become anything.
To support this argument I ask you who were Benji Marshall and Johnson Thurston the next of?
Cameron Munster, James Tedesco? Have you ever seen a player in any position, like them before.
Even Latrell Mitchell is Latrell Mitchell in his own right and not the next Greg Inglis.
These are the players that become the superstars. The players of whom you just can’t compare to a past player.

 

[Needaname]

If the powerbrokers are asking the question of this figure, maybe they should be approaching the person for a paid role in getting this place sorted.

My guess it's Phil Gould, and whether or not that guess is accurate, I would suspect the "powerbroker" is either not interested or too busy to become a Tigers consultant. Gould has that gig with Warriors in 2021, time will tell if it makes a difference, because they are traveling no better than us.

There are a lot of folks in rugby league who actually don't have much skin in the game, upon which it's easy to provide feedback and suggestions. And I'm not saying the commentary isn't valid, just that it's a different thing to give advice compared to actually having to execute the advice.

Lee also sponsors the blues so it could be Freddy

The thing is Gould made several comments on social media about it not being the coach.

Not so sure it was Gould, on 100% footy on Nine Chammas brought it up and Gould didn’t get involved in the chat at all.
Gould did mount a strong defence for Luke Brooks though.
Said if Luke Brooks was to start in any of the top 6 sides, he believes they don’t skip a beat.

 

[Needaname]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

How do you figure that ? If they train well , do everything they’re supposed to do , warm up well , and then mentally fall into a heap , whilst out there , how is it the coaches fault ? Outside of engaging mental health professionals.

They clearly weren't prepared... You couldn't see that?
First try to them... no hunger it was like as someone else put it "oh well well get that one back next"
It's clear the preparation and whatever they're doing to in still some aggro and attitude isn't there... It's. Like they didn't give a stuff.. I'm sick of it

Tend to agree and unlike most here don't blame Nofoaluma so much for the early try, nor Roberts.

Our three edge players were involved in the tackle and none of our middle got over to help Nofo and at least limit the space there.

Lack of effort.

That’s all attitude.

Yes, it is. Trouble is the prevailing attitude on here is to blame a single player left standing marking a stacked blind side by himself because his three mates are in the tackle and pretending that those were not the circumstances.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Did the club state as such, as I thought it was just a change" from the predominately gold (orange) WT jersey to the black version?

 

[Needaname]

So its taken the club 8 years and the input of someone outside the club to realise Brooks isn't a half that can control a game. Give me a break. All of us armchair critics on the forum have been saying for years he is a running 5/8 that needs a controlling half to create space and get the forwards on the front foot. So what does the club do over this period - sign 5/8s or try anyone in the position to see what works. Did anyone ever consider that maybe putting a real half back with Brooks might have worked - nope. Benji at his best had half backs that could control the game and allow him to play his natural game. I hope Brooks does leave and goes to a club that sees he is not a no. 7 and he kills it because this club and his loyalty to it has virtually ruined his career.

Interesting that Moses ended up as a 7 despite playing 6 outside brooks. I wonder whether that was because brooks was more highly rated as a junior and that pushed Moses out? Anyone know the history? Blind Freddy can see brooks Doesn’t enjoy being the controlling player. I think it’s worthwhile trying him/douhie at 6/13 with a controlling 7.

One plays left side, the other right. Numbers are irrelevant. Moses played a lot of fullback at Holy Cross while Brooks played half.

I was going to respond with something similar, after the roosters game my brothers mates from Holy Cross were discussing how maybe times up for him and enoughs enough, one of the commenters was his former high school coach whom believes Brooks is unable to play his natural game under Madge. When questions by one of the posters about what he was like as a halfback at high school he said Moses was dominant, but after a while the coach moved Moses to fullback because Brooks was starting to get more dominant and was showing the signs he can be a really controlling half.
From memory he played half with Siro as 5/8 in some of the games.

 

[jirskyr]

Exactly. He is a business person, they hire football people to make football decisions and yet Chairman Lee seems to keep wanting to place himself front and centre.

Who do you think Uncle Nick is? He's not any more a football person than Lee H, except he's older. What about Rusty Crowe? Up to his neck in football decisions, hosts prominent players at his farm; don't believe he's played a single game of FG in his entire life.

Broncos Chairman is an extremely rich fellow by the name of Karl Morris, again not a football person. Titans owner Rebecca Frizelle owns car dealerships.

Let Lee pay his money and get his perks, no issue with that at all. He should just go and buy the club, then you'd have no basis for complaint.

 

[Needaname]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Did the club state as such, as I thought it was just a change" from the predominately gold (orange) WT jersey to the black version?

Not officially, but it did make its way to the media and was celebrated as such an idea. It was all the talk this afternoon on SEN. Couldn’t have been that hard to manufacture 30 playing jersey’s. Apparently the next Campbelltown game v Gold Coast is the Tommy appreciation round so I should hope that we make a better effort for that.

 

[jirskyr]

One of the major issues with this club is that the board is accountable to no one. Us punters who are stupid enough to keep throwing money at the club don't get a say on who we would like to see pulling the strings. Unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon.

Isn't that true of most clubs? Ticketed members never get a say, I don't there's a club around that gives ticketed members a vote.

Bulldogs and Parramatta are the only ones I believe let their football club members vote on the board makeup? Hasn't done any good for Bulldogs, the whole board upheaval drama they've had just kept them down in the quagmire for longer.

 

[Needaname]

Exactly. He is a business person, they hire football people to make football decisions and yet Chairman Lee seems to keep wanting to place himself front and centre.

Who do you think Uncle Nick is? He's not any more a football person than Lee H, except he's older. What about Rusty Crowe? Up to his neck in football decisions, hosts prominent players at his farm; don't believe he's played a single game of FG in his entire life.

Broncos Chairman is an extremely rich fellow by the name of Karl Morris, again not a football person. Titans owner Rebecca Frizelle owns car dealerships.

Let Lee pay his money and get his perks, no issue with that at all. He should just go and buy the club, then you'd have no basis for complaint.

My main gripe with Lee is he isn’t just a loyal fan that direct the tigers and wholly sponsees us exclusively. Except he is now one of the premier sponsors of the nrl.
Sponsors,
NSW blues.
Referees,
And number of other clubs
But
Major sponsor and chairman of our club.
How many clubs do City Ford sponsor?

 

[jirskyr]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Did the club state as such, as I thought it was just a change" from the predominately gold (orange) WT jersey to the black version?

Yes they changed it from the orange veresion. We don't have a Wests jersey for the first grade side and I'm pretty sure you can't just pull up the Magpies jersey from reserve grade and tell the NRL you are wearing that this week.

 

[jirskyr]

Exactly. He is a business person, they hire football people to make football decisions and yet Chairman Lee seems to keep wanting to place himself front and centre.

Who do you think Uncle Nick is? He's not any more a football person than Lee H, except he's older. What about Rusty Crowe? Up to his neck in football decisions, hosts prominent players at his farm; don't believe he's played a single game of FG in his entire life.

Broncos Chairman is an extremely rich fellow by the name of Karl Morris, again not a football person. Titans owner Rebecca Frizelle owns car dealerships.

Let Lee pay his money and get his perks, no issue with that at all. He should just go and buy the club, then you'd have no basis for complaint.

My main gripe with Lee is he isn’t just a loyal fan that direct the tigers and wholly sponsees us exclusively. Except he is now one of the premier sponsors of the nrl.
Sponsors,
NSW blues.
Referees,
And number of other clubs
But
Major sponsor and chairman of our club.
How many clubs do City Ford sponsor?

Three clubs - Easts Roosters, NRL HQ and "the boys club".

Don't you think a bloke with that much clout in the game, Lee H being a key sponsor all throughout the code, only bodes well for Tigers?

I'd rather that than being sponsored by The Sleeping Giant.

 

[Russell]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Did the club state as such, as I thought it was just a change" from the predominately gold (orange) WT jersey to the black version?

Not officially, but it did make its way to the media and was celebrated as such an idea. It was all the talk this afternoon on SEN. Couldn’t have been that hard to manufacture 30 playing jersey’s. Apparently the next Campbelltown game v Gold Coast is the Tommy appreciation round so I should hope that we make a better effort for that.

To my knowledge the Club never said they were going to wear the old Western Suburbs jerseys.

It was the media that were sprouting this bunch of rubbish, not the club.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So its taken the club 8 years and the input of someone outside the club to realise Brooks isn't a half that can control a game. Give me a break. All of us armchair critics on the forum have been saying for years he is a running 5/8 that needs a controlling half to create space and get the forwards on the front foot. So what does the club do over this period - sign 5/8s or try anyone in the position to see what works. Did anyone ever consider that maybe putting a real half back with Brooks might have worked - nope. Benji at his best had half backs that could control the game and allow him to play his natural game. I hope Brooks does leave and goes to a club that sees he is not a no. 7 and he kills it because this club and his loyalty to it has virtually ruined his career.

Interesting that Moses ended up as a 7 despite playing 6 outside brooks. I wonder whether that was because brooks was more highly rated as a junior and that pushed Moses out? Anyone know the history? Blind Freddy can see brooks Doesn’t enjoy being the controlling player. I think it’s worthwhile trying him/douhie at 6/13 with a controlling 7.

One plays left side, the other right. Numbers are irrelevant. Moses played a lot of fullback at Holy Cross while Brooks played half.

I was going to respond with something similar, after the roosters game my brothers mates from Holy Cross were discussing how maybe times up for him and enoughs enough, one of the commenters was his former high school coach whom believes Brooks is unable to play his natural game under Madge. When questions by one of the posters about what he was like as a halfback at high school he said Moses was dominant, but after a while the coach moved Moses to fullback because Brooks was starting to get more dominant and was showing the signs he can be a really controlling half.
From memory he played half with Siro as 5/8 in some of the games.

A coach must be able to adjust his gameplan to suit the strengths of his players. When a coach is too inflexible or unable to adjust the gameplan it does not auger well for the performance of the team and morale in the sheds. I look back at IC's coaching and how well Brooks played for him.

 

[BZN]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Yep :100: % agree @Needaname, I was totally disgusted as Tommy never played for Wests Tigers.
But if that's what they intended all along...why wasn't his name on the jersey.
To me Brooks looked embarrassed rather than proud to be given the honour of running Tommy's number 7 jersey out.

And then Hagipantellis who looks more like a Silvertail on his way to the Sydney Opera House rather than a Fibro, couldn't even place the jersey on the chair properly.

There is something 'drastically' wrong with the organisation of Wests Tigers atm, and it's no wonder the whole team put in such a pathetically lethargic effort, in the 1st half especially.

 

[mccarry2]

Our starting front row came off with 12 mins to go... 8 mins late. Madge obviously left Tamou on longer than usual for leadership impact.

He then left him off for longer likely because the team were playing amazing then. His presser quote is exactly right... it’s just how it rolled.

We got done on one edge. It was an edge with a prop playing second row. It was an edge constantly facing an overlap. It was an edge with the relatively fragile players defending together.

Prop as second row + two fragile (mindset) players and what happens when a couple of things go wrong... Sunday happens