Stefano Utoikamanu extends until 2025..

[PJ_]

Not worth more than 700k at this point in his career. Put him on a scale if we have to. Throw in bonuses for SOO and Rep jerseys.
The nrl is still on a reduced cap?
Give him 5years. If he gets his bonuses he could be making 850k plus origin and test wages

 

[jirskyr]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

 

[balmain boy]

Unless we offer him crazy money, there’s no need for him to rush into anything.

What would you consider crazy money~years


Somewhere between 700-950. I could only see us offering 700 at an absolute maximum.

I’d be offering the top end of your window there. 700 is unders

Are you kidding? He's played 20 first grade games. You want to sign him to a 5 year 900k deal? That's absurd. No one will be offering him that kind of money.

Lots of players have looked good in their first season only to have second year blues. He's not a proven first grader yet. He had a great end to the season. If he starts the season off in the same way he finished then yes he might get an extra 50k per year added to our offer.

If he backs himself then the more he proves his talent, the more he's worth and the more he'll get paid. Like Haas locking him into a long term deal at 500k, which quickly under-valued him and showed that signing a long term deal early in your career is a risk both ways.

 

[FinestTigers]

I wouldn't say that he needs to have any loyalty towards us or anything like that. Simply, he only stays if we offer more $$, he likes Madge and the playing group and doesn't want to be at 3 different clubs in 5 years of NRL

You've made a very good point TIG_PRMZ, and i say, you can not stop the business tycoon from getting the player that he wants.

The meaning of the word Loyalty has become ambiguous in the NRL.

Loyalty was eradicated a long time ago, and does not exist in the NRL, The word **Loyalty** has been replaced by the word **TPA**.

And one of the Master's of the TPA's is Uncle Nick (aka the Godfather)

The focus is not on the players for supposedly appearing as being disloyal to their clubs, but we should only focus on the **Master's** of these TPA's who are the business Tycoons and a collection of player managers aligned with the Tycoons.
and they sure are making a mockery of the word Loyalty and a mockery of the salary cr*p.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Unless we offer him crazy money, there’s no need for him to rush into anything.

What would you consider crazy money~years


Somewhere between 700-950. I could only see us offering 700 at an absolute maximum.

I’d be offering the top end of your window there. 700 is unders

Are you kidding? He's played 20 first grade games. You want to sign him to a 5 year 900k deal? That's absurd. No one will be offering him that kind of money.

Lots of players have looked good in their first season only to have second year blues. He's not a proven first grader yet. He had a great end to the season. If he starts the season off in the same way he finished then yes he might get an extra 50k per year added to our offer.

If he backs himself then the more he proves his talent, the more he's worth and the more he'll get paid. Like Haas locking him into a long term deal at 500k, which quickly under-valued him and showed that signing a long term deal early in your career is a risk both ways.

I agree that I’d I was him I’d be waiting it out to prove I can back it up. He’s a special talent and is worth the risk in my mind. I’d be looking at a 3 year deal at around $800-850 at this point.

 

[Cobarcats]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

Salary cap dropped the last couple of years due to Covid

 

[Cobarcats]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

Salary cap dropped the last couple of years due to Covid

Yep now I remember, what a mortal creature I am, one of Vilandy's big decisions wasn't it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Apparently a healthy offer and/or upgrade has been in Stefano's hands for a while. That he has not accepted it is just how it is, so no biggie.

Our WT have him for another couple of seasons at a rate commensurate to his experience and expectations, with the November 1 rule and further advantage of upgrading the 2023 deal up it's sleeve. Sit back, relax and hopefully enjoy his footy in the coming months and see how things pan out both injury and form wise.

He might even come back to the club before the season kicks off if he wants any dollars that may be brought forward. The bird in the hand principle.

 

[Tiger5150]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

Salary cap dropped the last couple of years due to Covid

Yes but players salaries dropped by the same amount which is kind of the whole point.

 

[crazycat]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

Salary cap dropped the last couple of years due to Covid

Yes, but I still remember NRL getting 1 Billion dollars for their TV rights and Murdoch kicking us by signing a 2 Billion dollar deal with the AFL... All just because we tried to negotiate.

Covid? Covid my Todd Carney*. What does Covid mean? Covid means people are not turning up to the stadiums. Covid means people are at home with nowhere to go! Someone explain to me how TV rights go down when everyone is stuck at home?

What is happening is watching habits are changing. People are moving to streaming services. More people are internet only and no one is switching on their TV. Truth be told if it wasn't for Rugby league I wouldn't switch mine on.

Rupert Murdoch and his cronies pull a Swiftie of Peter Vlantys. We went for a lesser contract because people are stuck at home due to Covid. Makes no sense!

*is he a swear word? I hope not.
** none of this is covid denial. All I am saying is that people go out less now due to covid.

 

[Tiger5150]

jedi_tiger
spartan117
I agree with both you guys.
Would you consider a deal for Stef similar to Jason Taumalolo $1m starting at 5+yrs.
The way the dollar deflates and salary cap increases as well as the price of marque players increase, $1m wouldn't seem so severe in 4 years time.

No I think it's a mistake. Firstly the Taumololo deal is already backfiring for Cowboys - very ordinary output in 2021. Maybe he'll get back to his best, maybe not.

Secondly the clubs have no way to predict the salary cap position in 5-10 years. Club might really need the money in another area, or the actual salary cap itself may reduce in size - you cannot assume the cap will go up year on year. Very possible for a media deal to collapse or some other major issue like COVID to make a huge disruption.

Or player gets serious injury and is not the same, even if they can still play on.

I don't think any player should ever get more than a 4-year deal, maybe 5 for the most elite talent.

Jason was ten, I totally agree that when I first heard that it set the alarm bells ringing. I did say 5yrs+
Salary cap has never dropped to my knowledge, channel 9, fox and sky collectively to bring in more than 400m p.a. for 5yrs from 2023.
As far as covid goes those broadcasting rights are only going to benefit from covid because viewing is higher in demand.
Sponsors get better coverage from media.
My offer 900k - 6yr. With club option to extend.
Plus my retro Malvern Star Dragster bicycle
Plus hank37w's rusty old Balmain Tigers Premiership winning sign complete with misprint
Plus pawsandclaws1's jacuzzi penthouse apartment.
One club man!

Salary cap dropped the last couple of years due to Covid

Yes, but I still remember NRL getting 1 Billion dollars for their TV rights and Murdoch kicking us by signing a 2 Billion dollar deal with the AFL... All just because we tried to negotiate.

Covid? Covid my Todd Carney*. ***What does Covid mean?*** Covid means people are not turning up to the stadiums. Covid means people are at home with nowhere to go! ***Someone explain to me how TV rights go down when everyone is stuck at home?***

What is happening is watching habits are changing. People are moving to streaming services. More people are internet only and no one is switching on their TV. Truth be told if it wasn't for Rugby league I wouldn't switch mine on.

Rupert Murdoch and his cronies pull a Swiftie of Peter Vlantys. We went for a lesser contract because people are stuck at home due to Covid. Makes no sense!

*is he a swear word? I hope not.
** none of this is covid denial. All I am saying is that people go out less now due to covid.

The length of the season was reduced, therefore there were less games to show on TV, less to sell to advertisers/subscribers.

 

[Cobarcats]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

 

[crazycat]

Not worth more than 700k at this point in his career. Put him on a scale if we have to. Throw in bonuses for SOO and Rep jerseys.
The nrl is still on a reduced cap?
Give him 5years. If he gets his bonuses he could be making 850k plus origin and test wages

I can see him getting 800k. Someone said 1 million and if were talking that, I say no. For 1 million we need a player that wins games off his own effort.

If it's money then put performance clauses....
But I think performance clauses backfire. They place players under pressure so they go for those trick shots, the big plays and the intercepts. We want people to be solid. Stef, you are a forward, run the ball and tackle hard. Keep it simple.

Look I want him to stay. I am happy to do a long term contract and I get that. Hey if I was a young player I would want that contract to be as long as possible so if I get injured I get a massive payout.

So glad we have Cayless on staff. At first I thought he was a bad decision till I realized that he gets Western Sydney and respects our club. As Ex parra, Stef will respect Cayless, we saw Stef's eyes light up when he was partnered with Dale Finucane at Origin.

Hopefully we can keep him. My money is if Stef leaves us it will be for the Sharks.

 

[PJ_]

Not worth more than 700k at this point in his career. Put him on a scale if we have to. Throw in bonuses for SOO and Rep jerseys.
The nrl is still on a reduced cap?
Give him 5years. If he gets his bonuses he could be making 850k plus origin and test wages

I can see him getting 800k. Someone said 1 million and if were talking that, I say no. For 1 million we need a player that wins games off his own effort.

If it's money then put performance clauses....
But I think performance clauses backfire. They place players under pressure so they go for those trick shots, the big plays and the intercepts. We want people to be solid. Stef, you are a forward, run the ball and tackle hard. Keep it simple.

Look I want him to stay. I am happy to do a long term contract and I get that. Hey if I was a young player I would want that contract to be as long as possible so if I get injured I get a massive payout.

So glad we have Cayless on staff. At first I thought he was a bad decision till I realized that he gets Western Sydney and respects our club. As Ex parra, Stef will respect Cayless, we saw Stef's eyes light up when he was partnered with Dale Finucane at Origin.

Hopefully we can keep him. My money is if Stef leaves us it will be for the Sharks.

F the Sharks. ?

 

[balmain boy]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

Name one prop earning 900k.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

Name one prop earning 900k.

Payne Hass would be pretty close.

 

[balmain boy]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

Name one prop earning 900k.

Payne Hass would be pretty close.

He's on 750k.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

Name one prop earning 900k.

Payne Hass would be pretty close.

He's on 750k.

If that’s the going rate, Stefano would be be we worth no more than 550

 

[balmain boy]

Top props are between 750-1.1m and some of those are nearing renewals so some will demand higher. You would have compare him with other props and weigh up age and inexperience compared to his current ability and his potential to bring the club what it needs.
Alright then, this is my final offer, 800k~ 4yrs plus the tpa's I've already mentioned plus 200pcs of Woolworth Lego collectables.
If he accepts less (like no lego) then it's win win win

Name one prop earning 900k.

Payne Hass would be pretty close.

He's on 750k.

If that’s the going rate, Stefano would be be we worth no more than 550

Which is roughly what we've offered him