Sugarcoated win

[Tigerdon]

we were all over the cowboys in defence. often there was three or four in the tackle. if one of those defenders isn't in a good position to make the tackle but can get close enough to put a bump on to slow the attacker down while the other two wrap him up. That's considered a miss tackle.
the Tigers have been doing that since round one this year…and the opposition have made bugger all line breaks (except the Warriors and the second Parra game).

btw. if you take away Brooks try against the run of play you have to take away the Cowboys second try ..for the same reason.

 

[TIGER]

This is what happens when people pay more attention to stats then the actual game.

Welcome to the SuperCoach generation

I only look at stats to confirm my original assessment of the game, trust me I watch games closer than most.
I understand stats don't tell the full story, I'm not dumb.

 

[TIGER]

Well if you love stats Tiger.
Our missed tackle count shouldn't be an issue for next game as Penrith are leading the comp in that statistic.

Never said I loved stats, but sometimes they hit you in the face so hard you can't ignore them.

 

[OzLukeH]

Could I ask a really simple question…does a missed tackle count as a player falling off a tackle once contact has been made, or rushing up in defence and being stepped around or both?
If it's the second one then clearly we aren't making good first contact then it's a concern.
If it's the second then it's due to our rushing defence that Cleary has us playing and you'll always get much more missed tackles. The team keeps turning up for each other then I'll take a hundred missed tackles.
One thing that stood out was the club played the Al Pacino speech from Any given Sunday about turning up and fighting for every inch and every tackle....fairly apt

 

[fergiefurr]

This is what happens when people pay more attention to stats then the actual game.

Welcome to the SuperCoach generation

I only look at stats to confirm my original assessment of the game, trust me I watch games closer than most.
I understand stats don't tell the full story, I'm not dumb.

If a player rushes out of the line on Taulmalolo, hits him with force and bounces off, yet that force stops him and makes him an easy target for someone else to bring down its counted as a missed tackle.

If someone grabs the same guy high with no force and gets dragged 15ms resulting in a quick play the ball and advantage it's called an effective tackle.

I know which one I'd prefer

 

[happy_tiger]

We bombed two certain tries as well Tiger

We should have led 20-6 at HT

We weren't great , but more positives than negatives

Remember we play the side this week that the Cowboys beat last week

I wouldnt say we bombed 2, one of them wasn't exactly a certainty.
As for us playing Penrith who got beat by the Cowboys, if only that logic worked, I'd have a few extra zeros in my account.

My concern is as I said missing 48 tackles against a team who barely had the ball and never built any pressure.
How many tackles do we miss if they had completed and had put us under pressure?

For half the game the Cowboys dropped the ball more times than they held it and yet still managed to even up the score at 12 all.
If that's not a concern for you, your orange glasses must be more tinted than mine.

Don't know about the sunnies thing , when I write a 4 on my scorecard at golf I don't question how I got it or feel sorry when I add it up at the end of my round

 

[Geo]

I just watched the game again with particular attention to Brooks missed tackles as it was pointed out..9 of the 10 he simply just fell off as part of a 2 and 3 man tackle the attackers made a grand total of 300 extra centimeters…the other was one on Hess and he made a mini line break and was tackled by Twal...

Hess has made some pretty good defenders look stupid..

I also note Brooks stopped Hess dead 4 times 3 on our line and stopped Morgan dead in his tracks on our line right on HT..

 

[colmcd]

I understand that 2 points at this stage is the most important thing but
I'm worried that the fact we won is only papering over the cracks.

Agreed. I hope Cleary gets the guys in the sheds and says:
"hey we got lucky. You need to pick up the effort or we will be 9th-10th come finals time. I'm disappointed and if you want to keep playing First grade you all need to do better."

There are a stack of positives.
Brooks is turning into the Gun he was promised to be.
Fonua is turning into the beast he promised to be.

But:
We have too many chinks in our armor still. Did they test out our right wing enough???

Glad to see the tigers win, was almost expecting a Cowboys upset and clearly that team is not functioning right*.

*some big scandal is going on there or something. You don't push through to the finals without JT and Matt Scott, then flop next season.

 

[balmain boy]

They never threatened us, we should have won by more but bombed a few. I'm happy beating a quality team and coming out of the game thinking they never really looked like scoring.

 

[Dr_Ice]

If we have high completions and get some repeat sets we will generally have more than 50% possession and be able to build pressure on the opposition and have good field position.

This in turn helps our defence as we are less fatigued and have reduced pressure.

 

[king_sirro]

How are goalkicking stats misleading? You either kick it (percentage increases) or you miss it (percentage decreases).

I agree - too many missed tackles on a weekly basis. Needs to be addressed.

Regarding errors - our line speed in defence is causing opposition to make attacking errors. Had happened every week we have defended with speed.

Sometimes you need to win ugly. Considering the injuries, HIA’s, sin binning, losing players from the club and the fact we have many new recruits, I think we are performing pretty well.

If you're kicking at 99% but all your kicks have been taken from pretty much infront, are you a gun goalkicker?
That's how stats can be misleading.
Also he hasn't had loads of attempts so his percentage looks better than it probably is.

My win percentage at lawn bowls is 100% am I a killer lawn bowler? No.
I've only played twice and I'm terrible.

But he’s kicked enough for the data set to be valid. I agree, where he takes them from can vary but from memory, not every kick has been from in front. Think with some time he could be ok.

Oh dear

 

[innsaneink]

They never threatened us, we should have won by more but bombed a few. I'm happy beating a quality team and coming out of the game thinking they never really looked like scoring.

The thing is theyre not a quality team, _theyve struggled all year_ and yes they never really threatened us, but we only just got home…thats the point

Stoked with the win but a better opposition probably gets us last night, but **WE** improvved a lot on the last 2 weeks

 

[supercoach]

Cows were terrible???We are lucky?? I was at the game and certainly did not see it that way. I thought we played with enormous energy and were up in the faces of the Cowboys all night. Scoreline did not reflect the effort and dominance.

I thought the man with a chip on his shoulder (the ref) kept the Cows in the contest for much of the game. We are not perfect, but way way better than the past three weeks

 

[GNR4LIFE]

One thing is for sure, this forum is bipolar. During the week it was all about how we started well, but we’ve run our race for the year. All of a sudden we win and everyone is back on the bandwagon.

 

[upthetigers]

Cows were terrible???We are lucky?? I was at the game and certainly did not see it that way. I thought we played with enormous energy and were up in the faces of the Cowboys all night. Scoreline did not reflect the effort and dominance.

I thought the man with a chip on his shoulder (the ref) kept the Cows in the contest for much of the game. We are not perfect, but way way better than the past three weeks

Agreed at half time we should have had at least a 12 point lead.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Agree with Tiger for the most part. Happy about the win, but we shouldn't have been in an arm wrestle on the score board.

I actually think our biggest issue is scoring points from inside the opposition 20.

On the goal Kicking, Marsters had something like 9 in a row from very easy positions, he is still a poor kicker at NRL level. Can I prove it statistically? No, but you can go back and watch the games where he was kicking at 90-100%.

 

[tiga4eva]

Any time you beat a team with JT, Morgan, Taumalolo and Hess in it. Be happy

 

[Russell]

Cows were terrible???We are lucky?? I was at the game and certainly did not see it that way. I thought we played with enormous energy and were up in the faces of the Cowboys all night. Scoreline did not reflect the effort and dominance.

I thought the man with a chip on his shoulder (the ref) kept the Cows in the contest for much of the game. We are not perfect, but way way better than the past three weeks

I was there too and saw it pretty much as you did. There was no loss of effort, application, enthusiasm and grunt from what I saw. They say you can only play what is in front of you - we did. They didn't play well, agreed - however they were not allowed to play well. They played as well as we and the referees allowed.

As for the comment if we had played a better team we would have been beaten. You are surmising - in my estimation they would have lifted their game further and beaten them as well. We will never know.

As for the missed tackles - get serious. If they can play like that every week they will beat most teams because they will put them off their game.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Yes the high miss tackle count is a concern but I agree with a few have noted it depends on the type of miss tackle. Watching last night I noticed a number of occasions where our first contact was more to slow the man down while two others came in the shut the play down. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are coached to do this a little to prevent 2nd phase play and line breaks.

 

[The_Patriot]

This is what happens when people pay more attention to stats then the actual game.

Welcome to the SuperCoach generation

Nailed it!