Thanks to whoever decided to Tell Austin he was no chance of first grade

[jirskyr]

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
im not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

Totally reasonable argument, but many people would counter to say that we had both players on the books and only one is currently playing good footy.

Personally I think you are right and I am considering that a long-term view.

 

[Thunderlips]

Actually Moses and Brooks are 20 years old.

I think he is serious FT
I also think he's Mitch's Dad :laughing:

:brick:

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
I'm not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

Its nice to read some common sense on here

 

[thesquid]

Actually Moses and Brooks are 20 years old.

I think he is serious FT
I also think he's Mitch's Dad :laughing:

:brick:

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
I'm not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

Its nice to read some common sense on here
I think it would be fair to compare the both of them next season. Both having atleast a full year in their prefered positions.

I dont think this thread is about comparing potential though, it is about comparing who was ready and who would be better for the tigers now and the feeling us that austin without a doubt would be worlds better right now.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
im not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

Totally reasonable argument, but many people would counter to say that we had both players on the books and only one is currently playing good footy.

Personally I think you are right and I am considering that a long-term view.

An interesting way that you have to compare two different players Joel,

So you think that because they're only four points ahead of us , that that means that Austin is no better than Moses ??
So going on YOUR Criteria, then Lovett is as good as Cartwright , Penrith is also only 4 points ahead of us too.
Likewise , players such as Milone and Hoeter are ( once again by YOUR criteria) equally as good as Radradra. Parra being only 4 points ahead of us.

Do you think that there's a flaw somewhere in your reasoning ?

Even though it probably isn't necessary as most people have eyes and watch TV, it probably doesn't need a comparison, but a better and more objective way may be to use the main system in the game that shows how players are really going, the Dally Ms
When the public voting was stopped at round 16\. Austin …5th place. 15 points
Moses ..approx130th place
1 point

I didn't count down to Mitches position exactly but it was probably a bit lower( didn't have the time)
Austin has at least 3 more points from last week and will be on at least 18 points by now
This is more of a direct comparison between two individuals, and it shows the craziness and unfairness of comparing the two of them, in any way,
Austin is a first grader with good prospects of going Higher.
Moses is a rookie who is struggling with the pressure of being in a higher grade before he was ready and I hope that his later development isn't made harder because of how he's been treated.
A lot of people liked what they saw of Moses in lower grades and want to see the same thing in first grade. But it's not happening( I hope it eventually will) but until then, I'll judge him on what he does, not what I hope he will do in the future .

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
im not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

Totally reasonable argument, but many people would counter to say that we had both players on the books and only one is currently playing good footy.

Personally I think you are right and I am considering that a long-term view.

An interesting way that you have to compare two different players Joel,

So you think that because they're only four points ahead of us , that that means that Austin is no better than Moses ??
So going on YOUR Criteria, then Lovett is as good as Cartwright , Penrith is also only 4 points ahead of us too.
Likewise , players such as Milone and Hoeter are ( once again by YOUR criteria) equally as good as Radradra. Parra being only 4 points ahead of us.

Do you think that there's a flaw somewhere in your reasoning ?

Even though it probably isn't necessary as most people have eyes and watch TV, it probably doesn't need a comparison, but a better and more objective way may be to use the main system in the game that shows how players are really going, the Dally Ms.
When the public voting was stopped at round 16\. Austin …5th place. 15 points
Moses ..approx130th place 1 point

I didn't count down to Mitches position exactly but it was probably a bit lower( didn't have the time)
Austin has at least 3 more points from last week and will be on at least 18 points by now
This is more of a direct comparison between two individuals, and it shows the craziness and unfairness of comparing the two of them, in any way,
Austin is a first grader with good prospects of going Higher.
Moses is a rookie who is struggling with the pressure of being in a higher grade before he was ready and I hope that his later development isn't made harder because of how he's been treated.
A lot of people liked what they saw of Moses in lower grades and want to see the same thing in first grade. But it's not happening( I hope it eventually will) but until then, I'll judge him on what he does, not what I hope he will do in the future .

 

[foreveratiger]

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
im not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

What a silly way to look at it…...4 points in front of us :crazy , are you serious? that is a team's form your comparing as appose to how each of them are playing respectively .

Look at the Dally M's and you tell me how Austin is going ?
The Raiders aren't doing that flash as a team , just 2 more wins more than us ,

You say Austin is 4 years older and should be better ? in what way ?

Austin is playing his 52nd 1st Grade game and Moses playing his 30th 1st Grade game , not a great deal of difference in terms of more experience .

Jack Bird has just turned 20 years old in March and only played 13 first Grade games , Mitch Moses turns 21 years old in September how do you explain his form then ?

If Moses is being touted as a Superstar then Jack Bird is going to be an Immortal then :laughing:

 

[TurnStyle]

i havent even read any posts in this thread, but just want to say it is futile to think what may have been.
i personally maintained throughout that he deserved to be the starting 6 this season and IF or when moses EARNED it, he deserved it.
but he has left and good on him for doing so well.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

i havent even read any posts in this thread, but just want to say it is futile to think what may have been.
i personally maintained throughout that he deserved to be the starting 6 this season and IF or when moses EARNED it, he deserved it.
but he has left and good on him for doing so well.

This board( including the new ones on it) need to be reminded of the huge stuff ups they make. As they keep making them,
Too many people just let it go sailing over their heads, rather than not accepting those mistakes as normal, and making sure the Admin knows it.

Now we have reports that the halves are looking at their options as well.
Plus the same report says that the board prevented the club from keeping Martin
If those reports are right, one is gone and the other two halves are no gaurantee to stay very long, and with the game plans and lack of experienced help for them, who could blame them

 

[Telltails]

i havent even read any posts in this thread, but just want to say it is futile to think what may have been.
i personally maintained throughout that he deserved to be the starting 6 this season and IF or when moses EARNED it, he deserved it.
but he has left and good on him for doing so well.

This board( including the new ones on it) need to be reminded of the huge stuff ups they make. As they keep making them,
Too many people just let it go sailing over their heads, rather than not accepting those mistakes as normal, and making sure the Admin knows it.

Now we have reports that the halves are looking at their options as well.
Plus the same report says that the board prevented the club from keeping Martin
If those reports are right, one is gone and the other two halves are no gaurantee to stay very long, and with the game plans and lack of experienced help for them, who could blame them

Not to mention the unrealistic expectations a portion of the fan base have placed on them. Almost righting them off before their careers have even started. Must feel great to put on the colours every week knowing that win lose or draw there will be thread on the FAN forum lamenting the loss of Blake Austin. But keep chipping away …..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

i havent even read any posts in this thread, but just want to say it is futile to think what may have been.
i personally maintained throughout that he deserved to be the starting 6 this season and IF or when moses EARNED it, he deserved it.
but he has left and good on him for doing so well.

This board( including the new ones on it) need to be reminded of the huge stuff ups they make. As they keep making them,
Too many people just let it go sailing over their heads, rather than not accepting those mistakes as normal, and making sure the Admin knows it.

Now we have reports that the halves are looking at their options as well.
Plus the same report says that the board prevented the club from keeping Martin
If those reports are right, one is gone and the other two halves are no gaurantee to stay very long, and with the game plans and lack of experienced help for them, who could blame them

Not to mention the unrealistic expectations a portion of the fan base have placed on them. Almost righting them off before their careers have even started. Must feel great to put on the colours every week knowing that win lose or draw there will be thread on the FAN forum lamenting the loss of Blake Austin. But keep chipping away …..

A lot of those unrealistic expectations have been by people who have continually talked them up on the grounds of what they've done in lower grades,
I've said in previous threads that my problem is mainly with the club for their handling of them, ie: putting both of them in first grade with out an experienced halves partner, has hampered their development as has a Coach who's made their job harder with his game plans, or lack thereof.
The threads about Austin are more about the mistakes that the board has made in the past being aired in the hope that they will not be repeated as they have been in the past.
They are also about the stupid decision to gaurantee spots in first grade to untried young kids over Other players , particularly when they don't have the players needed in the team to help the kids, to get to the standard that they need to be.
Both these kids may prove to be capable first graders eventually and for their sake I hope they do, but they deserved to be better handled by the club in the first place, and eased into first grade, rather than just being dumped there just to sink or swim.

 

[cktiger]

Austin, and for that matter Jack Bird, would both be struggling to get a spot in our first grade team because they play unstructured football.
In Austin's case totally unstructured and, sometimes, selfish football.
That's not to say they're not decent players - but nowhere near Taylor's 'grand plan'.
In the case of our two young halves they are being forced, and it's been affirmed by the coach and others, to play a certain way and NOT utilise the individual talent that got them to first grade.
In reality there is no one in the lower grades to take their place at present and they are biting the bullet and following his instructions.
I feel sorry for them.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Austin, and for that matter Jack Bird, would both be struggling to get a spot in our first grade team because they play unstructured football.
In Austin's case totally unstructured and, sometimes, selfish football.
That's not to say they're not decent players - but nowhere near Taylor's 'grand plan'.
In the case of our two young halves they are being forced, and it's been affirmed by the coach and others, to play a certain way and NOT utilise the individual talent that got them to first grade.
In reality there is no one in the lower grades to take their place at present and they are biting the bullet and following his instructions.
I feel sorry for them.

Can agree with most of your posts CK, but not this one
I think Bird and Austin would walk into most teams at the moment,
Bird is a natural footballer and there would only be a few clubs that wouldn't want him in a flash
I had the same opinion of Austin as you in the beginning. But he has developed into one of the best players in the Comp at backing up breaks.
It's a long time since I saw a player who manages to put himself into the right position as much as he does. From the time he is tackled , he is trying to get back in the play as soon as possible, and even if it's an outside back that makes a break , Austin is mostly heading straight up the middle , and it's paying off
His form at the moment isn't a fluke, he's working at being there when he's needed,
I can see your point though about Him not suiting our "Coach". But that says more about Taylor, than it does about Austin
Taylor's tunnel vision coaching isn't something that would suit a lot of class footballers.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

Lawrence to the Fwd's and Austin in the centres if they didn't want to break the halves,no good sitting on the bench for the majority of the match.Surely Potter could have seen that.Also would have been a great backup for Robbie at a pinch,Robbie is at the stage of his career where the body starts saying enough. .

 

[rossop]

& AK is cutting them up for the Storm. All our left winger has is a funny haircut!

 

[cktiger]

Austin, and for that matter Jack Bird, would both be struggling to get a spot in our first grade team because they play unstructured football.
In Austin's case totally unstructured and, sometimes, selfish football.
That's not to say they're not decent players - but nowhere near Taylor's 'grand plan'.
In the case of our two young halves they are being forced, and it's been affirmed by the coach and others, to play a certain way and NOT utilise the individual talent that got them to first grade.
In reality there is no one in the lower grades to take their place at present and they are biting the bullet and following his instructions.
I feel sorry for them.

Can agree with most of your posts CK, but not this one
I think Bird and Austin would walk into most teams at the moment,
Bird is a natural footballer and there would only be a few clubs that wouldn't want him in a flash
I had the same opinion of Austin as you in the beginning. But he has developed into one of the best players in the Comp at backing up breaks.
It's a long time since I saw a player who manages to put himself into the right position as much as he does. From the time he is tackled , he is trying to get back in the play as soon as possible, and even if it's an outside back that makes a break , Austin is mostly heading straight up the middle , and it's paying off
His form at the moment isn't a fluke, he's working at being there when he's needed,
I can see your point though about Him not suiting our "Coach". But that says more about Taylor, than it does about Austin
Taylor's tunnel vision coaching isn't something that would suit a lot of class footballers.

Didn't mean they aren't good enough GC - they wouldn't get in our team because Taylor wouldn't put up with the way the play the game ( not to his style).
Hopefully, though, the reports are true and we might actually see a bit of attack this week.

 

[Milky]

My best mate is really good friends with Austins first cousin I met today who told me that when Blake was released from the Tigers he told all of his family that a condition of the release was that after raiders contract was finished he had signed another contract with the Tigers… Sounded unlikely to me but she swore by it

Yep and he can backflip before Round 13 2017?

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[Milky]

My best mate is really good friends with Austins first cousin I met today who told me that when Blake was released from the Tigers he told all of his family that a condition of the release was that after raiders contract was finished he had signed another contract with the Tigers… Sounded unlikely to me but she swore by it

Yep and he can backflip before Round 13 2017?

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Yeah. Where have you heard that?

I thought your first comment was being serious HAHA

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[marzie]

My best mate is really good friends with Austins first cousin I met today who told me that when Blake was released from the Tigers he told all of his family that a condition of the release was that after raiders contract was finished he had signed another contract with the Tigers… Sounded unlikely to me but she swore by it

Yep and he can backflip before Round 13 2017?

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Yeah. Where have you heard that?

I thought your first comment was being serious HAHA

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Hahaha!

I was being serious but you just stumped me when you knew the second half of the story haha. So just to be clear what she told me was that he has a contract with the Tigers starting 2018 but can still backflip before round 13 2017 and that's why it would never be made public

 

[Joelcainenumber1fan]

why dont we compare moses and austin first year? austin is like 4 years older he should be better
im not fussed about austin at all if he was as good as people say how come raiders are only 4 points in front of us :crazy

What a silly way to look at it…...4 points in front of us :crazy , are you serious? that is a team's form your comparing as appose to how each of them are playing respectively .

Look at the Dally M's and you tell me how Austin is going ?
The Raiders aren't doing that flash as a team , just 2 more wins more than us ,

You say Austin is 4 years older and should be better ? in what way ?

Austin is playing his 52nd 1st Grade game and Moses playing his 30th 1st Grade game , not a great deal of difference in terms of more experience .

Jack Bird has just turned 20 years old in March and only played 13 first Grade games , Mitch Moses turns 21 years old in September how do you explain his form then ?

If Moses is being touted as a Superstar then Jack Bird is going to be an Immortal then :laughing:

jack bird doesnt have a whole team of youngsters around him and that takes the pressure off not forgetting the expierence players are way better than ours
austin been plaing 1st grade since 2011 moses 2014
oh and than theres jt not letting moses play his natural game and austin just does what he wants

 

[little]

When Moses turns into the superstar he's being groomed to be, all you Austin apologists be prepared to eat your words.

Apologist for what ? are you serious?

In this moment in time is what his being judged on and his better than Moses by the length of the Flemington straight .

No one isn't wishing Moses not to be a star or the best player in the game down the track , some people are just saying that Austin should of been retained and there's nothing to apologise about either .

I for one am glad Austin was let go, and all you Austin apologists are teary eyed because he's won a few games at Canberra. He'd only be useful to us this year coming off the bench instead of Santi. Blake Austin is not that great. So he's made a few line breaks this year, he showed he could do that last year with us, so what? He is an individual player, not a team player. Who is even his halves partner this year? He''ll break a tackle and run, he isn't setting anything up, check his assists this year. He is getting big wraps cause Ricky has given him free-reign to do whatever. He'd do nothing under the current system Taylor is trying run and defeats the whole purpose of giving Moses and Brooks a chance to mature earlier from experience. Defensively, he's as good as Brooks, a second year 21 year old. As for Moses, he's having a season defensively that mirrors Brooks last year.

This is Moses' first season in the top grade and he has shown promise paired with ability to be a much greater player than Austin. Especially, since he is playing under a controlled system, which he has said is the total opposite of how he grew up playing. Brooks has come a long way since last year, Moses can develop into a future captain for this club and letting some never-will-be like Austin play in front of him makes absolutely no sense to me.

Obviously, we all want wins now, however, that frustration can create irrational judgement. We should be trying to focus on the possible greatness we are watching grow with this young Tigers team. Lastly, Moses partnered with Brooks is better than either of them paired with Austin by the length of the Flemington straight .

You can't really be that stupid. Austin was our best last year and Moses is our worst now. Moses isn't going to get any better and Austin will play SOO next year. Austin has scored 3 tries on more than one occasion this season, once at rep level, when the Tigers as a team have not been able to score 3 tries in a game on several occasions. Has Moses even scored 3 tries this entire season? Give up on Moses, he just doesn't have what it takes to play NRL.