THE 4......THREAD

[goldcoast_tiger]

For the halves to play to their potential, forwards need to dominate but I'm sorry to say the Tigers are lacking in that department.

Any set of halves can look like superstars when it's easy and the pack is rolling over the opposition.
But the difference between those halves and the genuine top halves , is that'when the team is in trouble and things Arent going according to the plan, THATS when the real stars take control and make the extra effort, whether with a well placed kick( remember them?) or a pass.

These guys shouldn't be expected to be able to do what the Thurstons and Cronks of the game can do. But both our guys look lost when our forwards get rolled.
I disagree that that can be excused, sure it makes it harder for the halves, but that's when the halves are needed more than ever. To steer the team to where they want it to be.
A good half or 5/8 doesn't just put the cue in the rack when the forwards are finding it tough,
It's not the time to be sit back and just blame them.
The halves get the big money to do their job even when it's not as easy as usual.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Management were going to extend Taylor for 2 years before Christmas last year & it Suddenly got kiboshed.
Now the big 4 won't sign until they know who the coach will be.
Surely Pascoe would sign Taylor ASAP if that's what the big 4 wanted, He is within WT meagre budget.

Don't be surprised if you see Ivan Cleary here next year as head Coach.

I'm not sure if big 4\. Would want him. Naiqama said his a poor communicator which would not go down well at our club. Although Elijah likes him.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Management were going to extend Taylor for 2 years before Christmas last year & it Suddenly got kiboshed.
Now the big 4 won't sign until they know who the coach will be.
Surely Pascoe would sign Taylor ASAP if that's what the big 4 wanted, He is within WT meagre budget.

Don't be surprised if you see Ivan Cleary here next year as head Coach.

I'm not sure if big 4\. Would want him. Naiqama said his a poor communicator which would not go down well at our club. Although Elijah likes him.

Naiqama won't be here next year so his opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Management were going to extend Taylor for 2 years before Christmas last year & it Suddenly got kiboshed.
Now the big 4 won't sign until they know who the coach will be.
Surely Pascoe would sign Taylor ASAP if that's what the big 4 wanted, He is within WT meagre budget.

Don't be surprised if you see Ivan Cleary here next year as head Coach.

I'm not sure if big 4\. Would want him. Naiqama said his a poor communicator which would not go down well at our club. Although Elijah likes him.

Naiqama won't be here next year so his opinion is irrelevant.

It's still an opinion denan Kemp said the same think about his time at warriors with cleary. I just have feeling clearly is not the answer and if he was going to come here would of by now. I'd only be happy with Des and feel same as every other year if anyone else.

 

[foreveratiger]

Management were going to extend Taylor for 2 years before Christmas last year & it Suddenly got kiboshed.
Now the big 4 won't sign until they know who the coach will be.
Surely Pascoe would sign Taylor ASAP if that's what the big 4 wanted, He is within WT meagre budget.

Don't be surprised if you see Ivan Cleary here next year as head Coach.

I'm not sure if big 4\. Would want him. Naiqama said his a poor communicator which would not go down well at our club. Although Elijah likes him.

Naiqama won't be here next year so his opinion is irrelevant.

Bang on and his opinion was only because he wasn't getting a go in 1st Grade at the Panthers and not hard to find the reasons why don't you think?

 

[Nelson]

For the halves to play to their potential, forwards need to dominate but I'm sorry to say the Tigers are lacking in that department.

Any set of halves can look like superstars when it's easy and the pack is rolling over the opposition.
But the difference between those halves and the genuine top halves , is that'when the team is in trouble and things Arent going according to the plan, THATS when the real stars take control and make the extra effort, whether with a well placed kick( remember them?) or a pass.

These guys shouldn't be expected to be able to do what the Thurstons and Cronks of the game can do. But both our guys look lost when our forwards get rolled.
I disagree that that can be excused, sure it makes it harder for the halves, but that's when the halves are needed more than ever. To steer the team to where they want it to be.
A good half or 5/8 doesn't just put the cue in the rack when the forwards are finding it tough,
It's not the time to be sit back and just blame them.
The halves get the big money to do their job even when it's not as easy as usual.

Yep that's all pretty fair, that is where they fall down at the moment.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Don't be surprised if you see Ivan Cleary here next year as head Coach.

I'm not sure if big 4\. Would want him. Naiqama said his a poor communicator which would not go down well at our club. Although Elijah likes him.

Naiqama won't be here next year so his opinion is irrelevant.

It's still an opinion denan Kemp said the same think about his time at warriors with cleary. I just have feeling clearly is not the answer and if he was going to come here would of by now. I'd only be happy with Des and feel same as every other year if anyone else.

So two guys who couldn't get a game under him were the only ones who had a problem with him. Yet ET didn't. I wonder why.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I don't know whether or not the players( or some of them, ). want Taylor to stay .or go.
But I can't work out why any player would want to keep a coach who failed his biggest boast when he arrived(Defence) and hasn't had much of an impression on the other problems in the team.
Taylor was never lucky enough to be supplied with speed or bulk to help him in his game, but he had what was needed between the ears. He was bloody good, and resilient.
I was excited about seeing what he could to help Brooks to use the obvious talent that he has.
It's been disappointing to see Brooks go backwards under JT. And he has gone backwards.

As for players wanting him to stay!
Could it be ( and this is a question. Not necessarily an opinion) that, some of the players have developed a comfort zone under JT, knowing that there is , and has been , little , or even no consequences for substandard performances( particularly ,but not only , the halves)
Could it be , that some don't want a hard nosed Coach who likely wouldn't put up with
Some of the rubbish games that most of our players have handed in at times
A guaranteed first grade spot may be enough for some of our players, and they may not want a coach who won't accept that.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know whether or not the players( or some of them, ). want Taylor to stay .or go.
But I can't work out why any player would want to keep a coach who failed his biggest boast when he arrived(Defence) and hasn't had much of an impression on the other problems in the team.
Taylor was never lucky enough to be supplied with speed or bulk to help him in his game, but he had what was needed between the ears. He was bloody good, and resilient.
I was excited about seeing what he could to help Brooks to use the obvious talent that he has.
It's been disappointing to see Brooks go backwards under JT. And he has gone backwards.

As for players wanting him to stay!
Could it be ( and this is a question. Not necessarily an opinion) that, some of the players have developed a comfort zone under JT, knowing that there is , and has been , little , or even no consequences for substandard performances( particularly ,but not only , the halves)
Could it be , that some don't want a hard nosed Coach who likely wouldn't put up with
Some of the rubbish games that most of our players have handed in at times
A guaranteed first grade spot may be enough for some of our players, and they may not want a coach who won't accept that.

You can't look at our playing personnel and compare that with the other 15 clubs and their coaches

I'm not sold yet whether I want Taylor here next season or not , but everyone must admit he is playing with a pair of deuces against people with 4 of a kind and full houses

The big problem however is if Taylor isn't going to stay I reckon we have about 4-6 weeks to make a call and have the replacement organized , especially if we plan to get a Toovey , Cleary or even Hasler if he is on the market

 

[TYGA]

Des or Ivan Cleary would be an upgrade and definitely increase our chances of player retention and recruitment. It's not even a question. Will we spend coin though as both coaches would want a football department overhaul.
WT seem to be banking on a good season under Taylor leading to all 4 committing. The issue is unless we get off to a flyer he is a dead man walking.

It's simple if the 4 sign and want to play for JT then the coach stays as players make the coach. If not he goes simple.

 

[Harvey]

If Josh Reynolds thinks he is worth 800k, no wonder some of our blokes think they are worth $1m.

 

[boonboon]

The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures. There is a real problem with how they are being coached and the players selected. One name brought up today about a possible potential replacement was Todd Payten. I think he coached some of the Tigers current players to a National Youth premiership in 2012 (playing ironically Canberra in the grand final). Maybe give Taylor a few more matches but if we keep getting belted, a low cost coach who has had success with a few of the players maybe an option ?

**The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures**

Well actually since the start of 2016
Played 26
Won -12
Losses - 14
Lost by 1-10 = 7
Lost by 11-20 = 2
Lost 21-30 = 0
Lost 30+ = 5

So yes we have had a few floggings but we have actually been loosing by single figures quite a bit

 

[gallagher]

The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures. There is a real problem with how they are being coached and the players selected. One name brought up today about a possible potential replacement was Todd Payten. I think he coached some of the Tigers current players to a National Youth premiership in 2012 (playing ironically Canberra in the grand final). Maybe give Taylor a few more matches but if we keep getting belted, a low cost coach who has had success with a few of the players maybe an option ?

**The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures**

Well actually since the start of 2016
Played 26
Won -12
Losses - 14
Lost by 1-10 = 7
Lost by 11-20 = 2
Lost 21-30 = 0
Lost 30+ = 5

So yes we have had a few floggings but we have actually been loosing by single figures quite a bit

Thats more than a third of our losses are by 30+.
That's hideous.

 

[jirskyr]

I may have missed this, but people who talk of Des Hasler as a replacement coach, do they realise how much money he spends on his football department? It's huge, he's one of the primary reasons the NRL are looking at capping football dept spending, and he's getting in trouble for it at Doggies because all the expenditure isn't producing the results they want.

How could Tigers afford a Des Hasler salary let along his expenses?

 

[greatodensraven]

Wow it certainly hits the fan after 1 loss.

1 debacle is closer to it.Did you see anything in our preseason or 9s to get excited about because i didnt?The season is young and there is time to improve but another result like last week and the knives will be out in force.
I will be quite honest i feel Taylor is a poor to bad coach but if he has a good season he should be retained but he needs to start getting good performances even if he cant get wins.We have let in 10 tries in our opening 2 weeks that is awful.Things need to improve.

I don't disagree completely but I actually thought Brooks played well in our 3rd 9s game. We also had a good hit-out v a relatively full strength Cowboys team in the trials (despite most of our 1sts being off in the 2nd half) & obviously blew away an under-strength Souths team in rd 1\. Suli is a great discovery, Teddy & Nofo look like they're up for a big year, etc. There are certainly some positives but the problems we faced last year (inconsistency, poor defence during mental lapses, etc.) still seem to be around. I'm just as disappointed as everyone else, re. our "performance" on Sunday, but remember we could've easily put 4 tries on the Panthers (Suli, Nofo, Teddy & Kev) if things had've gone our way. Would that have changed the outcome of the game, who knows? Would we have played better if we actually had props on the bench, probably. Has JT learnt from this, quite possibly given the squad he has named for this week.

I put last week down to a really poor bench & the blame lies soley with JT. Our boys aren't experienced enough or don't have the mental toughness just yet to get over such adversity (mistakes, penalties, fatigue) on a consistent basis for 80 minutes & really grind out a win. We fell apart when Ava/Woods came off & didn't recover. So yeh its frustrating, but it is only round 3\. We definitely need to improve & selections need to be spot on. Just goes to show how much depth we (dont) have. Still I don't think its reason to believe that all of a sudden nobody wants to re-sign with us &/or the knives should be out just yet.

Hopefully Paseka will be given a run this week & really take his chance. We need size & impact off the bench to keep that momentum going & allow Ted/Broses to run a muck. Remember the good old days of a fit Marty/Gavet/Ava/Sue on the bench…we destroyed teams in the early part of that year before injuries hit!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures. There is a real problem with how they are being coached and the players selected. One name brought up today about a possible potential replacement was Todd Payten. I think he coached some of the Tigers current players to a National Youth premiership in 2012 (playing ironically Canberra in the grand final). Maybe give Taylor a few more matches but if we keep getting belted, a low cost coach who has had success with a few of the players maybe an option ?

**The huge losses are a worry. Its not as if they have been losing by single figures**

Well actually since the start of 2016
Played 26
Won -12
Losses - 14
Lost by 1-10 = 7
Lost by 11-20 = 2
Lost 21-30 = 0
Lost 30+ = 5

So yes we have had a few floggings but we have actually been loosing by single figures quite a bit

The main worry is, that 3 of those hidings have been in our last 6 games, with that possibly stretching to 4 from our last 7 games unless we turn things around on Sunday
were not getting better. we are going the other way

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I don't know whether or not the players( or some of them, ). want Taylor to stay .or go.
But I can't work out why any player would want to keep a coach who failed his biggest boast when he arrived(Defence) and hasn't had much of an impression on the other problems in the team.
Taylor was never lucky enough to be supplied with speed or bulk to help him in his game, but he had what was needed between the ears. He was bloody good, and resilient.
I was excited about seeing what he could to help Brooks to use the obvious talent that he has.
It's been disappointing to see Brooks go backwards under JT. And he has gone backwards.

As for players wanting him to stay!
Could it be ( and this is a question. Not necessarily an opinion) that, some of the players have developed a comfort zone under JT, knowing that there is , and has been , little , or even no consequences for substandard performances( particularly ,but not only , the halves)
Could it be , that some don't want a hard nosed Coach who likely wouldn't put up with
Some of the rubbish games that most of our players have handed in at times
A guaranteed first grade spot may be enough for some of our players, and they may not want a coach who won't accept that.

You can't look at our playing personnel and compare that with the other 15 clubs and their coaches

I'm not sold yet whether I want Taylor here next season or not , but everyone must admit he is playing with a pair of deuces against people with 4 of a kind and full houses

The big problem however is if Taylor isn't going to stay I reckon we have about 4-6 weeks to make a call and have the replacement organized , especially if we plan to get a Toovey , Cleary or even Hasler if he is on the market

I agree about the time factor Happy, and youre probably right
However the main question in my post was whether people think that some players have got into a comfort zone around Jt
and its showing in some of our results

 

[tigerap]

No Marquee coach will want to come here unto we have a centre of excellence that matches the top Sydney clubs and are financially stable and secure… right now we have neither of those

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know whether or not the players( or some of them, ). want Taylor to stay .or go.
But I can't work out why any player would want to keep a coach who failed his biggest boast when he arrived(Defence) and hasn't had much of an impression on the other problems in the team.
Taylor was never lucky enough to be supplied with speed or bulk to help him in his game, but he had what was needed between the ears. He was bloody good, and resilient.
I was excited about seeing what he could to help Brooks to use the obvious talent that he has.
It's been disappointing to see Brooks go backwards under JT. And he has gone backwards.

As for players wanting him to stay!
Could it be ( and this is a question. Not necessarily an opinion) that, some of the players have developed a comfort zone under JT, knowing that there is , and has been , little , or even no consequences for substandard performances( particularly ,but not only , the halves)
Could it be , that some don't want a hard nosed Coach who likely wouldn't put up with
Some of the rubbish games that most of our players have handed in at times
A guaranteed first grade spot may be enough for some of our players, and they may not want a coach who won't accept that.

You can't look at our playing personnel and compare that with the other 15 clubs and their coaches

I'm not sold yet whether I want Taylor here next season or not , but everyone must admit he is playing with a pair of deuces against people with 4 of a kind and full houses

The big problem however is if Taylor isn't going to stay I reckon we have about 4-6 weeks to make a call and have the replacement organized , especially if we plan to get a Toovey , Cleary or even Hasler if he is on the market

I agree about the time factor Happy, and youre probably right
However the main question in my post was whether people think that some players have got into a comfort zone around Jt
and its showing in some of our results

Comfort Zone ?? LOL

This team isn't that the greatest going around , if it doesn't show up and complete their sets they'll get walloped by anybody

 

[innsaneink]

No Marquee coach will want to come here unto we have a centre of excellence that matches the top Sydney clubs and are financially stable and secure… right now we have neither of those

Yeah… With facilities not much better than the local PCYC club we are up against it in this regard... Also agree with Jirskyr on Hasler. We are no hope of luring him