The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[jirskyr]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

I Can't see how the cultures changed.

We still lose when it matters, we still get the avalanche of fluff stories about how the team has bought into the Coaches plans before the season. (I don't think that there has ever been a team who wasnt buying into the coaches plans, seeing as he picks the team).
We still hear how player x is training the house down, (only to not hear another squeak from him once there's a defence in front of him ). Or a forward running at him.
They can paint us up like a Christmas tree, but we still are perennial also rans.
And a lot of things will have to align for us to be any threat,
A good coach is one of them , and we are far from having one.
Our "culture " is mediocrity, and we do it well.
I feel sorry for Teddy at times, as he's one bloke who deserves a better coach and in some cases better players around him.

Are you one of those people who get annoyed by the "fluff pieces"? Surely that's not a line of criticism for the club, every club does the fluff media nothing-stories to keep the brand mixed up in the news.

It's not like fans would be happy if the club came out and said "we are aiming to be mediocre this season, like we really are" and then stay happy when we turn out to be as mediocre as we predicted.

Regarding culture, don't get me wrong, the Tigers still have major weaknesses but surely everyone can see that the culture has been modified over time, for good or ill?

For example we used to be known as a powerhouse attacking unit, the "entertainment" club, which has kind of fallen away in recent years. We used to be a club with a fair amount of off-field indiscretions, and now we are fairly clean-skin.

With the move of Farah, I would also predict we are going to see a continued decrease in the number of leaked / insider comments coming from the club, ever since the days of the likes of Beau Ryan, Benji, Robbie, Anasta who all had fairly high media profiles and opportunities to shoot their mouth off.

Last year we had 3 Origin reps which I don't think we've ever managed before, we also have a consistent starter for Australia, so we have rep-level experience that we've not really had before.

We beat the Cowboys late last year in a really terrific game of football, and that game mattered a lot, so it's not true to say we always lose when it matters. Every team that doesn't win the comp has a history of losing when it matters most.

Even the idea that Farah got the chop "before his time" shows that the culture has indeed changed in some ways, that players like Benji and Robbie are moved on when the club thinks it is time, even if there is a ruckus over it.

So it is true that a lot of things need to align for us to be a threat, but that is true of most teams.

What I do agree on is that Tigers have usually lacked power. Not really size, we've had plenty of big men, but we've rarely fielded the truly powerful players. We had Marty Taupau for a while, and Dane Laurie was a real handful when he was on the paddock for 6 months, Ellis and Dwyer back in the golden 10-11, but we've typically lacked the consistent high-impact footballer who terrorises the defensive edges. Lack of power has meant we can stretch defenses but don't hurt them much, and in our own defense we scramble ok (esp on our line the last season or two), but we struggle to stop momentum esp from the opposition pack or big centres.

I believe that's the reason why we often struggle against the bigger sides like Raiders, Panthers, Dogs but do pretty well against the structured sides like Cowboys and Storm. But even that being said, Raiders hammered us last year, and have won 4 of the last 5 against us, but prior to that we won 10 out of 11.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

That highlighted statement is where I disagree with you matchball. From this point on he is to be held accountable as its his fault WT are subsidising RF to play elsewhere.

MB is right that Taylor didn't create the backloaded contract. The fact that we are paying him to play elsewhere exactly means his market value wasn't inline with his contract.

Even if he was still here, Taylor was effectively hampered by that amount.

Not JTs fault. Mayer and co.

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Actually Paws he is at a club deserving of his talents…WTs are definitely not Storm OR Cowboys like when it comes to finals appearances...this team and club needed some major changes and Taylor has implemented a majority of these changes for the better ...bag him all you like,it only makes your dislike for him standout more every time you post..as for financial constraints...this is why we have no money now...backended,overpriced contracts from previous management...

If JT has talent we haven't seen much at all in 2 years. Change is fine if results of gained but in two years we haven't made the 8 and the club's reputation has been dragged through the mud by JT and his handling of the RF debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and hard questions need to be asked about why a club so determined to change culture and become results orientated failed to act?

 

[andrew 474]

I think we all need to relax and forget about the last couple of seasons , we just missed by a point last year so we were close , this season our main priority should be getting some early wins and trying to compete in all games , no drop offs , no floggings , sign up Teddy , Mosses , Woods before 10 th round , , we need to be at least 7 from 10 to stay in the hunt and not have to win the last 8 straight we need to get away from that , Brooks if he stays good but not if he is under performing he must step up , Woods , Mosses , Teddy have all stepped up , JT should get another crack next season if we make the 8 and get through our first semi game and win it , if not Its time to move on , if we for some reason are on or near the bottom at round 11 the club should be looking for his replacement and if we are still down the Botton after round 14 replace him straight away

My Prediction
Tigers win the Aukland Nines
Tigers will Make the 8
6 wins from first 10 games , finishing 7 th at season end
JT gets 1 year extension , Teddy ,Woods , Mosses resigned , no Brooks

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

 

[hammertime]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

???

You realise this was after JT signed right? Check the date. I posted it in hope that people would connect the timeline themselves.

The fact that was missed says a bit. Probably most of the anti JT arguments are being made from mis-information… Or an ignorance of it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, …....... definitely ......... terrific.

I can't speak for Fluffy or any othe cat, but his statement is unequivocal, so he himself obviously believes it.

You are missing the point he has only been at the club for 1 (one) day. How can you notice a CHANGE in the culture when you have no previous knowledge to base it on.I am not having a dig at you formerguest but his statement has little credibility under those circumstances.

No offence taken Jad, but I too am an "outsider" that has formed the same opinion. The difference being that apart from one encounter with a few insiders eighteen odd months ago when some issues were present, I have no doubt that despite not being at WT, through his contacts and match day experience Warwick had/has a much greater knowledge of the squad than me.

I also think it is fair to say that apart from directly out of the mouths of players, pretty well everyone involved in the game that comments on the club says basically the same thing.

 

[greatodensraven]

But the bottom line for me is we are not in any rush. Taylor is highly unlikely to be headhunted by another club in 2017, so we can afford to wait and see what's happening. The only caveat is if player retention needs to be tied to some surety about the coach.

Couldn't agree more & I think everyone just needs to keep this in mind. We're in the box seat. If we get the results on the field & re-sign #WoodsTeddyBroses then his methods are obviously working & the core of the team are happy to work with him, then surely he deserves an extension. If not, well we take another road.

In the meantime I'm sure the club are working hard for a good season & re-signing our talent while looking around at various coaching options in the meantime.

 

[Masterton]

You are missing the point he has only been at the club for 1 (one) day. How can you notice a CHANGE in the culture when you have no previous knowledge to base it on.I am not having a dig at you formerguest but his statement has little credibility under those circumstances.

There are a few possibilities:
1)He was visiting here last year and can see a difference
2)He meant the change from his previous club
3)He misspoke

I'm leaning towards 3.

 

[hammertime]

But the bottom line for me is we are not in any rush. Taylor is highly unlikely to be headhunted by another club in 2017, so we can afford to wait and see what's happening. The only caveat is if player retention needs to be tied to some surety about the coach.

Couldn't agree more & I think everyone just needs to keep this in mind. We're in the box seat. If we get the results on the field & re-sign #WoodsTeddyBroses then his methods are obviously working & the core of the team are happy to work with him, then surely he deserves an extension. If not, well we take another road.

In the meantime I'm sure the club are working hard for a good season & re-signing our talent while looking around at various coaching options in the meantime.

The problem with that view is that we have a bunch of players poised to sign without any idea on coach. Would be very silly of us to kick the can down the road and create instability. You know how the media likes to latch onto any negativity with our club.

Why would you do that when you can sign him with caveats on performance? Same result, but removes instability.

 

[Geo]

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[cktiger]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[matchball]

How about forgetting 2016 season and feel optimistic about the 2017 season.
No point crying over spilt milk.
I'll be cheering regardless who is coach in 2018 even if Terry Lamb got a recall to the coaching box.
We made some good signings and let go some of the dead wood.
What's not to be excited about?

 

[happy_tiger]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

But that is exactly the problem , the club was finding out stuff Mayer did week to week after he left

The option in Sirro's favour was a perfect example of that CK , the club only found that out mid to late last season

Everyone continues to shoot the people trying to fix the problems , you want a scapegoat point your finger at Mayer

He almost lost us Tedesco , I know this for a FACT and I continually warned people at the end of those negotiations that Mayer was a tool from the top shelf of the garden shed

 

[hammertime]

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.

:brick:

If you can't work out why it takes 3 years with contract situations (or that Go inherited this too) from the info out there already, then good luck to you tying your shoelaces tomorrow morning.

If these guys had kicked the can down the road like prior management, we would be saying goodbye to resigning both Ted and Mitch.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

 

[happy_tiger]

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

For a squad that wasn't NRL Top 8 quality

Might be controversial but E Taylor and Idris are the biggest name signings we have had since Blair

If you can't see off field we have made giant steps in the right direction what would convince you ??

Especially now that Harry Triguboff dollars can now be used for TPA's , we have a strong sponsor base and our memberships are at record levels for this time of year

We just need to back it all up with some on field success , I have my doubts we are consistent Top 8 material just yet , but if we can get the best out of Idris and our back row can exceed all expectations I could be wrong

 

[matchball]

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

For a squad that wasn't NRL Top 8 quality

Might be controversial but E Taylor and Idris are the biggest name signings we have had since Blair

If you can't see off field we have made giant steps in the right direction what would convince you ??

Especially now that Harry Triguboff dollars can now be used for TPA's , we have a strong sponsor base and our memberships are at record levels for this time of year

We just need to back it all up with some on field success , I have my doubts we are consistent Top 8 material just yet , but if we can get the best out of Idris and our back row can exceed all expectations I could be wrong

We signed well considering we are paying 20% of our cap to Robbie.
Things can only go up. Lawrence is off contract soon from his backended deal.
2018 we will have some serious coin not paying just Lawrence and Robbie.
I can't wait.

 

[Geo]

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

For a squad that wasn't NRL Top 8 quality

Might be controversial but E Taylor and Idris are the biggest name signings we have had since Blair

If you can't see off field we have made giant steps in the right direction what would convince you ??

Especially now that Harry Triguboff dollars can now be used for TPA's , we have a strong sponsor base and our memberships are at record levels for this time of year

We just need to back it all up with some on field success , I have my doubts we are consistent Top 8 material just yet , but if we can get the best out of Idris and our back row can exceed all expectations I could be wrong

We signed well considering we are paying 20% of our cap to Robbie.
Things can only go up. Lawrence is off contract soon from his backended deal.
2018 we will have some serious coin not paying just Lawrence and Robbie.
I can't wait.

Larence re-negotiated his 2017 backended deal and re-signed til 2019..eliviating cap pressure already from 2017 by approximately 300K…true Clubman...

 

[matchball]

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

For a squad that wasn't NRL Top 8 quality

Might be controversial but E Taylor and Idris are the biggest name signings we have had since Blair

If you can't see off field we have made giant steps in the right direction what would convince you ??

Especially now that Harry Triguboff dollars can now be used for TPA's , we have a strong sponsor base and our memberships are at record levels for this time of year

We just need to back it all up with some on field success , I have my doubts we are consistent Top 8 material just yet , but if we can get the best out of Idris and our back row can exceed all expectations I could be wrong

We signed well considering we are paying 20% of our cap to Robbie.
Things can only go up. Lawrence is off contract soon from his backended deal.
2018 we will have some serious coin not paying just Lawrence and Robbie.
I can't wait.

Larence re-negotiated his 2017 backended deal and re-signed til 2019..eliviating cap pressure already from 2017 by approximately 300K…true Clubman...

Wow I didn't know that. What a true clubman.