The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[jadtiger]

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If the current board don't have a clue, i'd love to know what your thoughts are on the old board who overpaid unproven rookies and backended contracts to the point where we've had no room to enter the player market for the last 3 years.

For a squad that wasn't NRL Top 8 quality

Might be controversial but E Taylor and Idris are the biggest name signings we have had since Blair

If you can't see off field we have made giant steps in the right direction what would convince you ??

Especially now that Harry Triguboff dollars can now be used for TPA's , we have a strong sponsor base and our memberships are at record levels for this time of year

We just need to back it all up with some on field success , I have my doubts we are consistent Top 8 material just yet , but if we can get the best out of Idris and our back row can exceed all expectations I could be wrong

We signed well considering we are paying 20% of our cap to Robbie.
Things can only go up. Lawrence is off contract soon from his backended deal.
2018 we will have some serious coin not paying just Lawrence and Robbie.
I can't wait.

I am fairly sure Lawrence extended his contract last year but on lesser dollars not sure till when but would be for at least 2018 or longer.

 

[cktiger]

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.

:brick:

**If you can't work out why it takes 3 years with contract situations** (or that Go inherited this too) from the info out there already, then good luck to you tying your shoelaces tomorrow morning.

If these guys had kicked the can down the road like prior management, we would be saying goodbye to resigning both Ted and Mitch.

On the contrary - it is easy to work out… the board knows diddly squat about football.
If I was paying someone to run the place I would expect them to go about finding out what was wrong from the start and formulate a plan to fix it quickly ... not waiting for something new to pop up every day or week.
That's what business people are supposed to do.
I really was hoping for a step up from our previous underachieving boards who knew about football but not business - now we have the polar opposite instead of people with experience in both fields.

FYI I leave tying my shoelaces to the butler.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

LMAO, wrist slitting before a ball has even been kicked.

 

[hammertime]

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.

:brick:

**If you can't work out why it takes 3 years with contract situations** (or that Go inherited this too) from the info out there already, then good luck to you tying your shoelaces tomorrow morning.

If these guys had kicked the can down the road like prior management, we would be saying goodbye to resigning both Ted and Mitch.

On the contrary - it is easy to work out… the board knows diddly squat about football.
If I was paying someone to run the place I would expect them to go about finding out what was wrong from the start and formulate a plan to fix it quickly ... not waiting for something new to pop up every day or week.
That's what business people are supposed to do.
I really was hoping for a step up from our previous underachieving boards who knew about football but not business - now we have the polar opposite instead of people with experience in both fields.

FYI I leave tying my shoelaces to the butler.

i think that's part of fair call, that maybe they should be finding things quicker. But your original argument was why does it take 3 years for them to unwind all these. But I'll ignore that and focus on your new argument.

I don't know how rambled these contracts are, but I do know we don't exactly have a huge organisation and prior admin have sometimes been dismissed abruptly and possibly caused issues with hand overs. We don't know.

But let's see if I can get this right… basically, your argument is that the board should be all changed because the limited staff aren't finding the errors in lengthy contracts from prior admin quick enough for your liking. Despite not personally knowing how complexly structured these contracts are or how well they are versioned and archived?

Sounds sensible.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

Not even close.
Our player strength is not an excuse for failure.
He wanted the job, so no point now of anyone blaming his cattle. He was the one who wanted the job.
A pass mark after three years would be the 8, but he can't expect other clubs to implode like some this year. hes talked up his coaching so far,
Now comes the crunch,. This is not going to be an easy year for him, but he wanted the job.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

Not even close.
Our player strength is not an excuse for failure.
He wanted the job, so no point now of anyone blaming his cattle. He was the one who wanted the job.
A pass mark after three years would be the 8, but he can't expect other clubs to implode like some this year. hes talked up his coaching so far,
Now comes the crunch,. This is not going to be an easy year for him, but he wanted the job.

And he's doing his job…Without complaints. I'm failing to see what point you're trying to make.

 

[matchball]

LMAO, wrist slitting before a ball has even been kicked.

It's truly amazing.
There will be Tigers fans celebrating a string of losses so it pressures the coach.
If it got to this point with me I'd quit watching and seek some psychiatric treatment.
It defeats the purpose of watching the game.
Hate for one man clouds their support for the team.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

LMAO, wrist slitting before a ball has even been kicked.

It's truly amazing.
There will be Tigers fans celebrating a string of losses so it pressures the coach.
If it got to this point with me I'd quit watching and seek some psychiatric treatment.
It defeats the purpose of watching the game.
Hate for one man clouds their support for the team.

Don't forget the other group that is quick to remind the rest of us that whatever success we had last year was due to other teams falling over. Clearly no joy was taken in any positives that happened last year, which makes you wonder why they'd bother continuing to support the club if they insist on finding excuses for the positives.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

???

You realise this was after JT signed right? Check the date. I posted it in hope that people would connect the timeline themselves.

The fact that was missed says a bit. Probably most of the anti JT arguments are being made from mis-information… Or an ignorance of it.

Our position was always going to be a disaster as far as the cap was concerned
If he didn't do some checking before signing, then he's also an idiot.
The cap position generally was known for a long time, and wasn't helped by his vendetta against RF. which resulted with paying most of it out for not much financial advantage.
The part that you ignore is the fact that despite all details weren't being available when he signed , most of it was pretty obvious .
Most of us here were aware that we were a basket case, yet The prospective coach wasn't?? Give us a break.
He got the job he wanted. Let's see if it's all BS, like his defensive coaching.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How about we wait until the team actually has a run this season before we get excited or upset about what lies ahead?

If we don't make the 8 or don't look like any improvement has been made once they've had a decent hit out, then stick the knife in all you like.

It's just sad watching people taking joy in being so despondent before the season has even started.

JT's first year was very ordinary. Results last year trended up, and I hope the trend continues on the same trajectory.

 

[happy_tiger]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

???

You realise this was after JT signed right? Check the date. I posted it in hope that people would connect the timeline themselves.

The fact that was missed says a bit. Probably most of the anti JT arguments are being made from mis-information… Or an ignorance of it.

Our position was always going to be a disaster as far as the cap was concerned
If he didn't do some checking before signing, then he's also an idiot.
The cap position generally was known for a long time, and wasn't helped by his vendetta against RF. which resulted with paying most of it out for not much financial advantage.
The part that you ignore is the fact that despite all details weren't being available when he signed , most of it was pretty obvious .
Most of us here were aware that we were a basket case, yet The prospective coach wasn't?? Give us a break.
He got the job he wanted. Let's see if it's all BS, like his defensive coaching.

Are you serious GCT ??

So you think that the club would grant him access to all Wests Tigers files on players , contracts , staff before he signed ??

I don't think everyone on here had any idea what idiotic crap Mayer had done

Most on here thought the sun shone from his derriere , no matter how much you tried to warn them , all because he would get on twitter , quite ironic for that twit actually

He got the job and I'd be surprised if any other coach would of done much better given the circumstances

Let the guy serve his 3rd season and see what happens , if we don't make the 8 , he is good as gone

 

[Fade_To_Black]

How about we wait until the team actually has a run this season before we get excited or upset about what lies ahead?

OK, how about we just shut down all threads that have the upcoming season as their focus?
Anticipation and/or excitement of the season ahead is really all there is to talk about in the off-season…...either that or the boring as bats%#t cricket.
People death riding our coach or the team for no reason seems to be pretty pointless though but people are entitled to their opinions regardless of how petty they may be.

 

[TrueTiger]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

Not even close.
Our player strength is not an excuse for failure.
He wanted the job, so no point now of anyone blaming his cattle. He was the one who wanted the job.
A pass mark after three years would be the 8, but he can't expect other clubs to implode like some this year. hes talked up his coaching so far,
Now comes the crunch,. This is not going to be an easy year for him, but he wanted the job.

Yes he did want the job…as hard as it was perceived to be, with the backended contracts and BS that the former admin left us with he had the guts to sign up and try and put this team and club in a far BETTER position than he had when he signed...so before all the anti JT brigade gather for a preseason moan and groan as what we have been accustomed to,why don't you all just let him field a competitive team with the hope and aspirations of maybe making the finals this year..this would be the fairest and most sensible thing to do given he still has a year to go on his contract...there are some on here that in my opinion are related to the grimreaper" they cant wait to tear the heart and soul out of someone who is doing their best to survive"...Wests Tigers will be a very strong club in the near future,however with some of its fan base death riding it,it could be the end of it....very sad indeed to be a fan and all they want to do is decimate it with speculation and hearsay...

I have said it before and I will say it again...if you detractors can do a better job and be more successful,then get your coaching certificate and do your best..but don't forget that if you don't succeed make sure you can handle the same garbage criticism you have dealt out to our coach.....cheers ...and good luck...

 

[hammertime]

Our position was always going to be a disaster as far as the cap was concerned
If he didn't do some checking before signing, then he's also an idiot.
The cap position generally was known for a long time, and wasn't helped by his vendetta against RF. which resulted with paying most of it out for not much financial advantage.
The part that you ignore is the fact that despite all details weren't being available when he signed , most of it was pretty obvious .
Most of us here were aware that we were a basket case, yet The prospective coach wasn't?? Give us a break.
He got the job he wanted. Let's see if it's all BS, like his defensive coaching.

Come on mate, the arguments are getting worse. Now you believe an interview process means an organisation handing over financial information and the prospective coach reading through legal docs on each player.

Also, That nearly every bloke on darling street (even on the goldie) knew how bad the club financial situation was… Despite even the entire organsation still discovering stuff 6 months in to the coaches tennature.

And that Taylor some how created a vendetta on poor blameless Robbie for no reason.

 

[greatodensraven]

For anyone who cares, theres some kind of members day coming up in Sydney on 21st Jan. Might be an opp for some to put their questions to the coach/players/staff, etc. in person.

 

[innsaneink]

Problem is its for members…. They usually support their club, not deathride it

 

[TrueTiger]

For anyone who cares, theres some kind of members day coming up in Sydney on 21st Jan. Might be an opp for some to put their questions to the coach/players/staff, etc. in person.

Great idea Raven,however that would mean getting from behind the keyboard,you know the one,their comfort zone where they can criticise without being seen…

I will endeavour to be there,just have to check my scheduling.....

 

[Geo]

For anyone who cares, theres some kind of members day coming up in Sydney on 21st Jan. Might be an opp for some to put their questions to the coach/players/staff, etc. in person.

Great idea Raven,however that would mean getting from behind the keyboard,you know the one,their comfort zone where they can criticise without being seen…

I will endeavour to be there,just have to check my scheduling.....

Bit like when people hook into the young halves and a young but maturing roster…

 

[Pawsandclaws]

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

???

You realise this was after JT signed right? Check the date. I posted it in hope that people would connect the timeline themselves.

The fact that was missed says a bit. Probably most of the anti JT arguments are being made from mis-information… Or an ignorance of it.

Our position was always going to be a disaster as far as the cap was concerned
If he didn't do some checking before signing, then he's also an idiot.
The cap position generally was known for a long time, and wasn't helped by his vendetta against RF. which resulted with paying most of it out for not much financial advantage.
The part that you ignore is the fact that despite all details weren't being available when he signed , most of it was pretty obvious .
Most of us here were aware that we were a basket case, yet The prospective coach wasn't?? Give us a break.
He got the job he wanted. Let's see if it's all BS, like his defensive coaching.

Are you serious GCT ??

So you think that the club would grant him access to all Wests Tigers files on players , contracts , staff before he signed ??

I don't think everyone on here had any idea what idiotic crap Mayer had done

Most on here thought the sun shone from his derriere , no matter how much you tried to warn them , all because he would get on twitter , quite ironic for that twit actually

He got the job and I'd be surprised if any other coach would of done much better given the circumstances

Let the guy serve his 3rd season and see what happens , if we don't make the 8 , he is good as gone

The debacle which resulted from JT's handling of the RF issue should have seen his appointment terminated. And you write of this fool deserving a 3rd year? Please spare me.

 

[Swordy]

???

You realise this was after JT signed right? Check the date. I posted it in hope that people would connect the timeline themselves.

The fact that was missed says a bit. Probably most of the anti JT arguments are being made from mis-information… Or an ignorance of it.

Our position was always going to be a disaster as far as the cap was concerned
If he didn't do some checking before signing, then he's also an idiot.
The cap position generally was known for a long time, and wasn't helped by his vendetta against RF. which resulted with paying most of it out for not much financial advantage.
The part that you ignore is the fact that despite all details weren't being available when he signed , most of it was pretty obvious .
Most of us here were aware that we were a basket case, yet The prospective coach wasn't?? Give us a break.
He got the job he wanted. Let's see if it's all BS, like his defensive coaching.

Are you serious GCT ??

So you think that the club would grant him access to all Wests Tigers files on players , contracts , staff before he signed ??

I don't think everyone on here had any idea what idiotic crap Mayer had done

Most on here thought the sun shone from his derriere , no matter how much you tried to warn them , all because he would get on twitter , quite ironic for that twit actually

He got the job and I'd be surprised if any other coach would of done much better given the circumstances

Let the guy serve his 3rd season and see what happens , if we don't make the 8 , he is good as gone

The debacle which resulted from JT's handling of the RF issue should have seen his appointment terminated. And you write of this fool deserving a 3rd year? Please spare me.

Shouldnt you be on the Souths forum now, Sam?