The WT Identity

[Demps]

Pascoe delusional thinks we are going to the Panthers hartigan thinks we are going to be the Roosters meanwhile having no understanding of wests tigers.

The WT Identity...crisis.

 

[Furious1]

Pascoe delusional thinks we are going to the Panthers hartigan thinks we are going to be the Roosters meanwhile having no understanding of wests tigers.

The WT Identity...crisis.

All stems from....dare i say it for the 50th time........lack of leadership.

 

[coivtny]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

 

[innsaneink]

Pascoe delusional thinks we are going to the Panthers hartigan thinks we are going to be the Roosters meanwhile having no understanding of wests tigers.

The WT Identity...crisis.

All stems from....dare i say it for the 50th time........lack of leadership.

Everything 50/50 for all those years.... Keeping everyone happy yet no one taking control

Surely this agreement Bullock mentions and has been brought up several times recently about us basing in Macarthur would've been signed off on?
Or is it just a myth grown over time?

 

[tony soprano]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

We certainly failed south West but especially with sheens here don't think it's the end of the world most of out gems where from keebra

 

[diedpretty]

What i find interesting reading the article on the history of the JV is why Wests didn't go in to partnership with Penrith. As a JV they would have had the largest junior catchment with daylight second. They were much closer socio/economically and culturally. Both areas were packed with young families that have generally stayed in the area whereas the inner west is no longer the domain of the blue collar worker as it gentrifies at a faster rate every year. They would have had 2 huge clubs right on the doorstep of both grounds. Yep Wests would have lost a lot of their identity but would that be any worse than what they have now. They get a couple of token games at Campbelltown. The Macarthur area has been totally ignored by WT. The media and most fans of other clubs see WT as a rebadged Balmain. The go to people for comments are all ex Balmain players. There is very little acknowledgment of Wests Magpies history. The club itself and Wests Ashfield even promotes this by continually sprouting they are an inner city club.
As others have noted its too late to go back and try to undo the mistakes of the past - the club and its owner have made their decision that they are an inner city club and they will live or die by that decision. The people of the Macarthur region aren't fools - setting up an academy in the region isn't going to magically lure back those supporters who have either moved on or changed allegiances since 2005.
I suppose one can only wonder what would have been had they joined Penrith and Balmain joined Parra or the dogs or as it turned out had the balls to tough it out and been accepted as a standalone club. I do believe both teams would have been far more successful had things panned out that way.

 

[BZN]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

WOOPS!!! :face_palm: Sorry, thanks for bringing this to my attention @coivtny.
It was obviously way past my bed time.
I meant to say tentacles as with an octopus.

 

[coivtny]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

WOOPS!!! :face_palm: Sorry, thanks for bringing this to my attention @coivtny.
It was obviously way past my bed time.
I meant to say tentacles as with an octopus.

All good, mate. It's an interesting visual.

 

[gallagher]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

 

[BZN]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

WOOPS!!! :face_palm: Sorry, thanks for bringing this to my attention @coivtny.
It was obviously way past my bed time.
I meant to say tentacles as with an octopus.

All good, mate. It's an interesting visual.

OUCH!!! very painful :fearful:

 

[jadtiger]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

WOOPS!!! :face_palm: Sorry, thanks for bringing this to my attention @coivtny.
It was obviously way past my bed time.
I meant to say tentacles as with an octopus.

Freud would have loved to talk to you.:blush: :blush:

 

[mike]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

I think that will change once the Stadium contract is completed. I believe at then end of 2022?

 

[gallagher]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

I think that will change once the Stadium contract is completed. I believe at then end of 2022?

I think that's right. But the contracts at LO abd CSS were up last year so we could be fulltime at a state government stadium now.

 

[Geo]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

I think that will change once the Stadium contract is completed. I believe at then end of 2022?

I think that's right. But the contracts at LO abd CSS were up last year so we could be fulltime at a state government stadium now.

As it stood the only option for that would have been BankWest.. As the SFS was a hole in the ground and ANZ was slated for a Reno.. that changed due to COVID…I don’t think the Club (board level) believes BankWest is a good option long term as a permanent home ground so the status Quo remained..

I think a move to ANZ will be the way forward

 

[gallagher]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

I think that will change once the Stadium contract is completed. I believe at then end of 2022?

I think that's right. But the contracts at LO abd CSS were up last year so we could be fulltime at a state government stadium now.

As it stood the only option for that would have been BankWest.. As the SFS was a hole in the ground and ANZ was slated for a Reno.. that changed due to COVID…I don’t think the Club (board level) believes BankWest is a good option long term as a permanent home ground so the status Quo remained..

I think a move to ANZ will be the way forward

When they get the nerve.

 

[mike]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Balmain and West tigers have both failed in the inner city aswell though.

Fair point but really with the HQ & COE at Concord can the Wests Tigers be considered anything other than an Inner City club?

That seems to be the choice but they still play out at cambo and parra. They don't know what they want the club to be.

I think that will change once the Stadium contract is completed. I believe at then end of 2022?

I think that's right. But the contracts at LO abd CSS were up last year so we could be fulltime at a state government stadium now.

As it stood the only option for that would have been BankWest.. As the SFS was a hole in the ground and ANZ was slated for a Reno.. that changed due to COVID…I don’t think the Club (board level) believes BankWest is a good option long term as a permanent home ground so the status Quo remained..

I think a move to ANZ will be the way forward

Stop it, you’ll get me eager to go to the footy.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

On Westslife podcast they were saying direct from Chairman Lees mouth that there tigers will be at either Liverpool or Campbelltown. Club preference was Campbelltown but government was more interested in Liverpool as a shared ground with the bulldogs. Personally if those were the two options I’d just move to Campbelltown now for all but a couple of games and lobby the state and local government for an upgrade of Campbelltown. I don’t want to share a ground with the Dogs

 

[mike]

On Westslife podcast they were saying direct from Chairman Lees mouth that there tigers will be at either Liverpool or Campbelltown. Club preference was Campbelltown but government was more interested in Liverpool as a shared ground with the bulldogs. Personally if those were the two options I’d just move to Campbelltown now for all but a couple of games and lobby the state and local government for an upgrade of Campbelltown. I don’t want to share a ground with the Dogs

Liverpool will see the end of the Wests Tigers.

 

[jirskyr]

The alarming thing for those outside this bubble of thought is how quickly the regions around the Macarthur are growing.
Wests Tigers are so desperate to find short-term solutions that they have completely missed the biggest picture.

It's a nice article but I just don't buy the argument. "South West" Sydney has been growing for an age. It was growing when Wests first moved out there in 1987, still growing now, will keep growing.

But "growing" is a misleading concept - if you put 10K people in a space that previously had zero people, it's grown a hell of a lot, but it still pales in comparison to a place that already has 50K people.

I don't believe Macarthur is any more "fertile ground" than NW Sydney, which by-and-large is also fairly ignored by most clubs - who claims Windsor, Rouse Hill, Kellyville, Cherrybrook, Wahroonga?

There's also the question of just how many kids are playing rugby league in those areas. That's not just a discussion point for Wests Tigers, it's a discussion point for the NRL (and requires ownership by the NSWRL) if there are huge populations not playing rugby league - no one club can fix that.

Where are all the Macarthur juniors? Who are they? Nofoaluma at Tigers, Tedesco at Roosters. There was a good crop 15 years ago and they've all retired. Who are the best young kids going around in 2021? Stefano is from Cabramatta. Payne Haas from Newcastle juniors via Gold Coast. Reece Walsh from Goldie. Sam Walker is from Ipswich. David Fifita from Brisbane. Josh Schuster from Mount Pritchard.

I reckon Tigers are doing the right thing - develop your pathways, strengthen your pathways. Use your historical / foundation districts to build the Tigers brand. Do it in all of those regions equally - by definition, for a merged club, it means you can't have all your facilities in one place. I think the CoE at Concord and the Academy at Macarthur is a good move.

AND THEN you buy the best young kids from anywhere you can, bring them into the WT juniors and develop them with the club culture from 15-16 years old.

But I don't believe in fixation on Macarthur simply because there are more people there than there used to be. Sydney's a bloody big place and I don't really believe in geographical ID being the core of a Sydney club any more. Most young Doggies fans haven't seen a match at Belmore Oval, nor have Souths fans watched Bunnies take the field at Redfern.

Lastly, the mergers with potentially a "stronger" identity - well that only came at the expense of the smaller club. Steelers are done. The Bears are done. Same thing would have happened to a Parramatta Tigers or Wests Bulldogs.

 

[hank37w]

Wests Tigers are an Inner City club with feeders from the South West. The Western Suburbs Magpies failed in the South West, the Wests Tigers have failed in the South West, it’s time to accept that the Wests Tigers are an Inner City club. Wests Ashfield is Inner City as is HQ and now the COE. By all means build an academy in the South Wests to develop talent as a feeder but understand Wests Tigers are an Inner City club.

Mike, we are forced to accept it. But I will not accept the talk that we failed in the south west. The club destroyed its own opportunities in the south west by continuing to avoid it. It was self sabotage. And now everyone is saying we should be back there. Well it is too late. We’ve spent 75m on shinny plot on the edge of the inner west. The club has stuck firm in its betrayal of the south west and well they’ll have to lick their wounds as a result.
Just imagine if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls to shift our operation out there, we would be a one town team with the richest junior catchment area and would of had over a decade of success of young kids striving to play for and support their local team.

Agree with you :100: @Needaname
At the time of the 2005 GF I was living in Prospect in Sydney and took a drive to Wests Leagues Club at CSS to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. They had a giant banner on the outside of the club saying "bring it home boys" in Wests Tigers colours of course.
And as you said "if someone on the back of 05 actually had the balls" etc, how much better our club could be now.

We cant be anything other than an inner city club, but with testicles stretching out to the South West, with a few token games at CSS to try to suck the locals in to believing we are their team rather than Souths [who have apparently made a big push into the C'town area] or the Bulldogs.
How very sad that we cant be that 'one team town'.

But wait, there could be more [and I have suggested it previously].
Maybe, just maybe, the NRL could pay WT to re-locate to C'town [which would include $$$ to pay out Wests Ashfield] and become a brand spanking new, fresh, shiny Western Suburbs Tigers [as suggested by one of the journos].

But then as Mike said we have our new COE opening soon at Concord...bugger.

Good post mate but they'd have to be pretty big testicles to stretch that far.

WOOPS!!! :face_palm: Sorry, thanks for bringing this to my attention @coivtny.
It was obviously way past my bed time.
I meant to say tentacles as with an octopus.

Just another balls up.