This....this is not good.

@bigsiro said:
If we take all of the sh!t out of this discussion it is actually quite an interesting topic. (Imagine that, an intellectual discussion on a WT forum…..well I never!)
Anyway, my first reaction was that this wtigers guy/gal is a nutcase, but after thinking about it there is a valid point. Perhaps we are all just getting tied up with semantics.

But wtigers, even reverse racism (if you want to call it that) is still racism. That is the common understanding of it. By the way, Sara Lucky is not really a good enough source for interpretation of such a delicate and contentious social construct. I get what you are trying to say, but it isn't entirely correct and so quoting such a source as gospel only hurts your argument.

I didn't mean to refer to her as gospel, I just thought some source was better than none y'know? Look, the thing about the generally accepted definition of racism is that it was written by people who have never had to face it. I've seen so many people (especially People of Colour) talk about their experiences with racism, their personal experiences and definitions. And nearly all of them have defined it as "the combination of prejudice and power to create a societal and institutional oppression of a group". And who am I to tell them that they, people who see racism everywhere they go, have got it wrong. After all, aren't they the experts? They're certainly the ones that know the most about it. Because of this, I myself came to the conclusion that, because any kind of prejudice towards white people has never reached a societal scale, it is impossible to be prejudiced against white people. There's my thinking and understanding behind it and in all honesty, thank you for thinking about my side of the argument. It's quite radical for someone to say something like that, especially when it goes against the technical dictionary definition, and many write it off as crazy but it's good to see that some people stop and think. I certainly did when I first saw that argument, I used to think reverse racism was a thing but I just don't believe in it any more, because it doesn't really happen that often or to a large scale.

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@wtigers said:
Wouldn't redfern be evidence of the systematic oppression of black people? Either way, I'm done with this. I've stated my opinions (and backed them up) and I stand by them, though its obvious no one agrees with me.

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Systematic oppression like if one black person is waiting for a house on welfare he gets precedence over a white family of two adults and six kids even if they have been waiting 6 years.And if the father of that family commits a crime he is named and shamed but if that single aboriginal guy commits a crime he cant be named because hes aboriginal.As australians all we here all day everyday is about how racist and as the sydney morning herald said the other day we are the land of go away.No thats the place all you migrants came from.Despite all the verbal diarrhoea we get from papers and migrants who scream foul on racism.Australia is the most non racist country on earth and weve got all the immigrants in the world to prove it.
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtigers said:
Wouldn't redfern be evidence of the systematic oppression of black people? Either way, I'm done with this. I've stated my opinions (and backed them up) and I stand by them, though its obvious no one agrees with me.

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Systematic oppression like if one black person is waiting for a house on welfare he gets precedence over a white family of two adults and six kids even if they have been waiting 6 years.And if the father of that family commits a crime he is named and shamed but if that single aboriginal guy commits a crime he cant be named because hes aboriginal.As australians all we here all day everyday is about how racist and as the sydney morning herald said the other day we are the land of go away.No thats the place all you migrants came from.Despite all the verbal diarrhoea we get from papers and migrants who scream foul on racism.Australia is the most non racist country on earth and weve got all the immigrants in the world to prove it.

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@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtigers said:
Wouldn't redfern be evidence of the systematic oppression of black people? Either way, I'm done with this. I've stated my opinions (and backed them up) and I stand by them, though its obvious no one agrees with me.

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Systematic oppression like if one black person is waiting for a house on welfare he gets precedence over a white family of two adults and six kids even if they have been waiting 6 years.And if the father of that family commits a crime he is named and shamed but if that single aboriginal guy commits a crime he cant be named because hes aboriginal.As australians all we here all day everyday is about how racist and as the sydney morning herald said the other day we are the land of go away.No thats the place all you migrants came from.Despite all the verbal diarrhoea we get from papers and migrants who scream foul on racism.Australia is the most non racist country on earth and weve got all the immigrants in the world to prove it.

Oh… So you legitimately believe Aboriginal people have better resources in Australia? That they're better off in society? Never mind then, there's no point arguing with you...

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@wtigers said:
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtigers said:
Wouldn't redfern be evidence of the systematic oppression of black people? Either way, I'm done with this. I've stated my opinions (and backed them up) and I stand by them, though its obvious no one agrees with me.

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Systematic oppression like if one black person is waiting for a house on welfare he gets precedence over a white family of two adults and six kids even if they have been waiting 6 years.And if the father of that family commits a crime he is named and shamed but if that single aboriginal guy commits a crime he cant be named because hes aboriginal.As australians all we here all day everyday is about how racist and as the sydney morning herald said the other day we are the land of go away.No thats the place all you migrants came from.Despite all the verbal diarrhoea we get from papers and migrants who scream foul on racism.Australia is the most non racist country on earth and weve got all the immigrants in the world to prove it.

Oh… So you legitimately believe Aboriginal people have better resources in Australia? That they're better off in society? Never mind then, there's no point arguing with you...

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better resources in Australia than say… zimbabwe yes and what country would they find better resources.you tell me..theyve been living here for 40,000 years.NO POINT ARGUING WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCES OF A 7 YEAR OLD.OR YOU MUST LIVE IN NEWTOWN,GLEBE OR SOME OTHER TREE HUGGING SUBURB.
 
Equal opportunity is not the same as equal outcome. "Minorities" today have systematic bias that preferences them over whites throughout most of the western world, that is they get greater opportunities because of their race in some vain attempt at altruism.

Societies accumulate wealth by capital, capital is not a number on a keyboard. It is industriousness, it is planning, communicating, organizing and doing. Machinery didn't spring out the ground, nor did knowledge.

Further more, equality of outcome does not exist, it never has at any significant level and it never will. Some blokes will save money to do greater things with it, other will blow it all on gambling and drugs. Some league players have all the natural talent in the world but no drive or commitment and fail at footy. Others appear to have little physical advantages but through dedication, commitment and intelligence make successful careers for themselves. Compare Brett Kimmorley to Owen Craigie.

The entire anti-racism movement has been used as a weapon. A weapon against social self interest, a weapon against labour organising against exploitation, a weapon against opposition of outsourcing and de-industrialisation. Take immigration for instance, each year western societies take millions of peoples from the third world, despite casualisation of the workforce, outsourcing, surging real estate prices, great social costs from overpopulation, unemployment, deindustrialisation, greater environment exploitation, homelessness. Australia's population is growing at a million every 3 or so years, that is another Adelaide's worth of people. If you legitimately question why we need to bring in more people (to undercut wages, and take on debt creating bubbles) then instantly out comes the 'that's racist' meme to shutdown any debate.

The shutdown of self interest of communities allows globalists to consolidate and accumulate power and wealth. London for instance has numerous billionaires and millionaires living there, it is a plaything for rich oil sheiks, russian oligarchs and city financiers. But at the same time the city's white british population has dropped below 50% and diverse communities such as the cockneys of the east end are nearing extinction. The trend repeats elsewhere. Local diversity destroys global diversity.

As for twerking, popculture is anti-culture. It is things that the corporations take, and then strip down into a simple marketable form in order to sell it to gullible impressionable youngsters. At a time where nuclear family groups are a rare phenomenon it becomes easy for youngsters to be influenced. It is not necessarily exploiting african americans, rather it is exploiting materialistic children. Any racist implications would be yourself projecting your own views and then double thinking because that would suggest you yourself are in fact "racist".

I'm rambling on of course, but additionally it should be noted upon the failures of 'anti-racism', 'diversification', 'equal opportunity', '"positive" discrimination' et al. None of these policies by the anti-racism industry have improved the plight of the average indigenous australian/america, or african american (and a fair few other groups). Instead they have raise welfare slaves who have had their social structures broken down and their work ethics destroyed to the point where some are no hopers who spend their time cruising around looking for people to beat up or shoot just for "fun". It has removed social accountability, and accountability to themselves. But the anti-racist activists get some perverse sense of false altruism, merely demonstrating vanity.

It is amazing to see some individuals preach on their high horse about the benefits of diversity et al and abuse the 'stupid bogans' (the ones who are already on the margins of society with low job security, rough neighbourhoods, substance dependencies, expensive cost of living, expensive housing, lack of community etc). Meanwhile often never spending a single minute around a refugee, aborigine or any other exhalted group to help, or to learn or to include into their lives.

I put a bit of hyperbole there, and it is indeed general because it is not simple to address the complexities in life and every single individual situation. Merely it is derived from what i see as the aggregate entirety. There are many issues and things that could be talked about but this thread is about a horribly out of touch performance by a deluded adolescent.
 
Also People of Colour is a terrible term to use. You are dividing up the world into everyone vs white people, uniting everyone against the 'white man' whilst patronizing them. It's a term used by machivellian anti-racists in order to break down institutions in nominally or originally white societies whilst creating a false persecution complex amongst everyone else. It has been used by people for control, power and money and not to better the lives of all humanity.
 
@Blake93 said:
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@wtigers said:
Wouldn't redfern be evidence of the systematic oppression of black people? Either way, I'm done with this. I've stated my opinions (and backed them up) and I stand by them, though its obvious no one agrees with me.

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Systematic oppression like if one black person is waiting for a house on welfare he gets precedence over a white family of two adults and six kids even if they have been waiting 6 years.And if the father of that family commits a crime he is named and shamed but if that single aboriginal guy commits a crime he cant be named because hes aboriginal.As australians all we here all day everyday is about how racist and as the sydney morning herald said the other day we are the land of go away.No thats the place all you migrants came from.Despite all the verbal diarrhoea we get from papers and migrants who scream foul on racism.Australia is the most non racist country on earth and weve got all the immigrants in the world to prove it.

Post of the year

Just interested, Blake - what are you studying at Uni?

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@Blake
Australias alright racism wise. But, given that 25% of the population is not born here it's pretty good in terms of tolerance. Because obviously as more immigrants arive theres more likelihood for racism to emerge, perhaps due to fear maybe the unknown. Im of course not talking about everyone, but the minority often have the biggest voice in situations like this.

Edit: How did it even get to this? :laughing: a thread about miley cyrus.
 
@Demonborger said:
Also People of Colour is a terrible term to use. You are dividing up the world into everyone vs white people, uniting everyone against the 'white man' whilst patronizing them. It's a term used by machivellian anti-racists in order to break down institutions in nominally or originally white societies whilst creating a false persecution complex amongst everyone else. It has been used by people for control, power and money and not to better the lives of all humanity.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I entirely understand your argument. I'm not trying to attack it, by any means, I just don't get what you're saying. Anti-racism is a bad thing? Is that what I'm picking up from this? I used the term people of colour because in the western world white people maintain the power, and as such non-white people are the ones on the other side. That's all.

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Firstly I would like to state that I am of Anglo Saxon heritage with one side of the family being here for 8 generations and for most of them living in rural NSW, the other for 4 generations and being Sydney residents. Having spent my 47 years in both city and country, together with my heritage, I feel that I am about as 'Aussie' as some people would like us all to be

Whilst I couldn't care less about the singing and dancing, it is a great shame to see some of this threads comments, particularly when Australian aboriginals are put down for no reason. ANY person that believes that they have not been collectively oppressed and prejudiced against in our society, should get their head out of their ass.

First contact with the last of the remote tribes was made during my lifetime, these people had not even discovered the wheel, let alone developed as the rest of the world over millennia, and were forced to integrate. Others fought as part of our Anzac forces even after we had already taken their land, yet later some had their children taken away, and they could not vote or sit in the cinema with my father.
 
Man did this thread ever get severely hijacked? LOL

Happy and Gunners what are you 2 old fuddy duddy's on about? Sex and music have been intertwined since the beginning of time.

Ever heard of serenades? Do you know what Rock and Roll means? How about Funk? Disco?

I mean I am around your age and I grew up on a healthy diet of chronic alcoholics who looked like women and couldnt last a couple of hours without chopping lines or shooting heroine…..and we loved them for it!

Music is in the eye of the beholder. I personally can not stand singers....i.e. the ones promoted on all these reality shows. But even with them, there are some banging tunes being played out in the background whilst the lead is drowning them out with their aweful cat screeching.

I love all sorts of music...from those doo-whop groups from the forties and fifties through the amazing hard rock acts of the sixties, the ever so talented bands of the seventies who IMO created the 20th centuries greatest music, to the glam/hair metal bands and synthesised pop of the 80's, the rock and grunge of the 90's to the catchy riff and beat driven acts of today.

Music is music man and should be taken as the mood strikes you.

As for Miley Cyrus....not much talent, but I wont complain about her stripping off and flaunting the goods...I mean she has a banging bod and the day I stop having an interest in a young girls form is the day I'll pack it in. Video hits and the like is crap...but a good perv and the trick is to watch it with the sound muted and put on one of your favourite records and smile.

BTW yes I did say records....music in any other form is cheating yourself of the real experience.
 
@happy tiger said:
@wtigers said:
@happy tiger said:
Can't sing ,can't dance and doesn't look good in her knickers

Her hubby needs to give her a good clip round the ears and tell her to pull her head (and anything else that was hanging out ) in

Trailer park trash at its best , Gaga is just as bad

No talent ,just because they are prepared to shock people . Kids of today have no taste in music , and wouldn't know talent if it sat on their face and wiggled

Are you telling me the pop music from your generation Was all good? There's good and bad stuff from every generation…

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Yep heaps of stuff , but at least they kept their clothes on and kept their respect as well

betya your parent/grandparent say/said the same things to you mate.

there's toxicity everywhere in the world. celebrities want attention and we give them attention i guess.
if you think some material is toxic, don't look at it. no need to judge a person from a video clip.
 
All im gonna say is that im glad that im so far removed from pop culture that the only time i have to hear about this crap is in extreme cases, like today for example stuck in someone elses car listening to the radio (which i detest, well anything FM related anyway) and they're advertizing interviews the fat guy and the bimbo who host the breakfast show were having with people like Myley and Lady Gaga, and jokes about twerking.

Thank god almighty the only time i have to hear about it is on the very rare occasion, and for the most part being free of it in my world. I like my world, i can rule it with an iron fist.
 
@wtigers said:
@Demonborger said:
Also People of Colour is a terrible term to use. You are dividing up the world into everyone vs white people, uniting everyone against the 'white man' whilst patronizing them. It's a term used by machivellian anti-racists in order to break down institutions in nominally or originally white societies whilst creating a false persecution complex amongst everyone else. It has been used by people for control, power and money and not to better the lives of all humanity.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I entirely understand your argument. I'm not trying to attack it, by any means, I just don't get what you're saying. Anti-racism is a bad thing? Is that what I'm picking up from this? I used the term people of colour because in the western world white people maintain the power, and as such non-white people are the ones on the other side. That's all.

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Irrational discrimination is wrong of course. But like many movements the anti-racist movement has been hijacked by people who use it to get power and money or to abrogate accountability and responsibility. Today many people see percieved racism everywhere they look and so we get a boy who cried wolf type situation where real discrimination (racial or otherwise) can be overlooked or downplayed.

Denying opportunities for a superficial purpose will always be ignorant and wrong. But equality of outcome and equality of opportunity are not the same. Imperical evidence exists everywhere you look where there are people that this is true, equality of outcome is a myth that has never and will never exist. That's not to say that we shouldn't look after each other, because as social creatures it is a moral imperative that we do. The problem i have with a large part of the modern anti-racism environment is that it is never about bettering the lives of each other, and more about silencing and power tripping.

The idea that Miley twerking was somehow racist against african americans and that payed performers of african american heritage twerked was somehow racist against them is one such example of perception of racism that simply is not so.

Rest to pms.
 
@tig_prmz said:
how would you feel if a guy 20 years older than you kept calling GNR as druggos and with soulless music?

Lol they were druggies. Its a miracle the two guys in my pic aren't dead
 
One thing that made the Mylie performance so notable was that we're all looking around to see what exactly it was mean't to be.

Was it supposed to be sexy?

Was it supposed to be avant-garde and artsy?

Was it supposed to be shocking and test the boundaries of acceptability?

I think Camille Paglia sums it up well

"Most of the media backlash focused on Cyrus’ crass opportunism, which stole the show from Lady Gaga, normally no slouch in the foot-stamping look-at-me department. But the real scandal was how atrocious Cyrus’ performance was in artistic terms. She was clumsy, flat-footed and cringingly unsexy, an effect heightened by her manic grin."

A large part of why it was so notable was because the artistic performance was so void of any actual artistry. It was the musical performance equivalent to many of Benji's 2013 games - clumsy, flat-footed, cringingly incompetent.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@tig_prmz said:
how would you feel if a guy 20 years older than you kept calling GNR as druggos and with soulless music?

Lol they were druggies. Its a miracle the two guys in my pic aren't dead

what if your kids started doing drugs coz their fav band did drugs?

no era is clean. no person is clean. generalisations like "kids these days have no talent", "kids these days are disrespectful" etc. are all a load of crap
 

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