Tiger troubles with player safety

[Tiger5150]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

I’m getting a bit sick and tired hearing about us training till gf day. It’s not an uncommon thing. Get over it.

Agreed, Im sure Sheens used to do it as well.

SMH at some of the "supporters" in here suggesting Madge needs to change or "didnt learn from his days at Souffs". Thank god we finally have a proper coach at the club who will not let soft players dictate terms. Hopefully the club understands this and backs him to the hilt. I back Madge over a group of soft players who havent made the semis. What Madge did this year with the group of players he had at his disposal is the best coaching performance we have had since 2011.

 

[Spacecub]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

I’m getting a bit sick and tired hearing about us training till gf day. It’s not an uncommon thing. Get over it.

Gotta laugh at some of you blokes, you had your heads in the sand with ivan Cleary...now Maguire

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Yes, but even having success was not enough for them to put up with Madge’s ways long term. It is a legit issue, Madge did not see it back then either. The hope was he had changed a bit with time.

You speak as if it is fact, which it is not, it is rumour only.

You don't know why Madge left Souths, nobody here can claim to know for sure. Therefore you can't use the why as an argument now.

Haven't heard a single Tigers player speak about over-training or over-work, only Matto, who by equal rumour is a dog coward looking for more money.

So Weedler reports that it's not just about money, it's about player safety and workload. And that's the same spin that first came out when the news broke about Matto, then the papers started reporting "no it's definitely about money" and the over-training thing was shelved, but now it's about over-training again.

In fact the senior players, says Weedler, were dubious about training on after Rd 25. I wouldn't be surprised, lazy bastards. Oh and there have been disagreements apparently, with 3 other players, the same 3 players most supporters would be happy to see the back of due to their high contracts and low output.

Weedler is a toxic sycophant, I don't take anything he says seriously and neither should you.


Don't know? Madge was fired mate... he did not 'leave'.

He had no idea it was coming. Why? Because the players led the revolt. Think about it logically.

Did not see it coming.....fired abruptly.....ask yourself why.

If the players led the revolt Seibold was the captain, for obvious reasons, and did not see it coming, it was mooted weeks before Madge left that Seibold was white anting him for the top job.

 

[Geo]

I have a couple of sources in the club. All year their feedback was most consistent on these two points

“The tigers are training the house down”

“The players seem to respect Madge”

So, Madge works them super hard and isn’t their mate.

I have zero doubt Madge is a tough task master. I have zero doubt some players won’t like that. In fact some won’t have the bodies to cope with it (like Inglis)

But. Every tigers fan out there KNOWS the Tigers need to toughen up.

Somehow we became a soft bellied club. The opposite of our dual roots.

I know we have a tough three years coming under Madge. Culture change takes years.


It will separate the men from the boys. One little boy has had a tantrum and thrown his toys out of the cot already after only one season, let’s see if any others do as well. The ones that hang in there will reap the reward big time and hopefully be stronger, fitter and more capable players in the long run because that’s what this club so desperately needs.

But it is not "one". **If that report is true**, and it claims to have had it verified, then a group of senior players all went to the union about the issue.

We can't just say Matterson is having a sook. To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week.

Either a group of senior players did go to the union, or they did not. The club should clarify that as it clearly undermines the coach.

I find it strange that Danny didn't name these group of senior players in his article..ah no I don't...

If it's true why not name them...?

 

[Tiger5150]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

I’m getting a bit sick and tired hearing about us training till gf day. It’s not an uncommon thing. Get over it.

Gotta laugh at some of you blokes, you had your heads in the sand with ivan Cleary...now Maguire

Because he is doing his job? Doing exactly what we have been calling for for years?

 

[ElleryHanley]

I have a couple of sources in the club. All year their feedback was most consistent on these two points

“The tigers are training the house down”

“The players seem to respect Madge”

So, Madge works them super hard and isn’t their mate.

I have zero doubt Madge is a tough task master. I have zero doubt some players won’t like that. In fact some won’t have the bodies to cope with it (like Inglis)

But. Every tigers fan out there KNOWS the Tigers need to toughen up.

Somehow we became a soft bellied club. The opposite of our dual roots.

I know we have a tough three years coming under Madge. Culture change takes years.


It will separate the men from the boys. One little boy has had a tantrum and thrown his toys out of the cot already after only one season, let’s see if any others do as well. The ones that hang in there will reap the reward big time and hopefully be stronger, fitter and more capable players in the long run because that’s what this club so desperately needs.

But it is not "one". **If that report is true**, and it claims to have had it verified, then a group of senior players all went to the union about the issue.

We can't just say Matterson is having a sook. To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week.

Either a group of senior players did go to the union, or they did not. The club should clarify that as it clearly undermines the coach.

I find it strange that Danny didn't name these group of senior players in his article..ah no I don't...

If it's true why not name them...?

That is pretty obvious I would think...

 

[Spacecub]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

I’m getting a bit sick and tired hearing about us training till gf day. It’s not an uncommon thing. Get over it.

Gotta laugh at some of you blokes, you had your heads in the sand with ivan Cleary...now Maguire


Because he is doing his job? Doing exactly what we have been calling for for years?

I guess we will just have to wait n see GRN....I hope you prove me wrong

 

[Tiger5150]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

I’m getting a bit sick and tired hearing about us training till gf day. It’s not an uncommon thing. Get over it.

Gotta laugh at some of you blokes, you had your heads in the sand with ivan Cleary...now Maguire


Because he is doing his job? Doing exactly what we have been calling for for years?

I guess we will just have to wait n see GRN....I hope you prove me wrong

Not sure who GRN is, but I wont be proving anything, hopefully Madge and the players will. I dont see anything however in this rubbish article (written by a proven hack who will follow any managers agenda) that doesnt fill me with confidence.

Put it this way. When you heard that Madge was going to train them through to the GF (like Sheens used to, and other clubs do), did you think....

a) Good, they need to not accept 9th as acceptable, toughen them up and instill a tougher attitude.

b) Oh no, poor princesses, they have already worked hard enough, I hope they dont get hurt or tired?

 

[WT2K]

I have a couple of sources in the club. All year their feedback was most consistent on these two points

“The tigers are training the house down”

“The players seem to respect Madge”

So, Madge works them super hard and isn’t their mate.

I have zero doubt Madge is a tough task master. I have zero doubt some players won’t like that. In fact some won’t have the bodies to cope with it (like Inglis)

But. Every tigers fan out there KNOWS the Tigers need to toughen up.

Somehow we became a soft bellied club. The opposite of our dual roots.

I know we have a tough three years coming under Madge. Culture change takes years.


It will separate the men from the boys. One little boy has had a tantrum and thrown his toys out of the cot already after only one season, let’s see if any others do as well. The ones that hang in there will reap the reward big time and hopefully be stronger, fitter and more capable players in the long run because that’s what this club so desperately needs.

But it is not "one". **If that report is true**, and it claims to have had it verified, then a group of senior players all went to the union about the issue.

We can't just say Matterson is having a sook. To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week.

Either a group of senior players did go to the union, or they did not. The club should clarify that as it clearly undermines the coach.

I find it strange that Danny didn't name these group of senior players in his article..ah no I don't...

If it's true why not name them...?

No quotes from the rlpa either which in the dribble article says that they have received a number of complaints

 

[kiwitiger]

Probably annoyed they can't go to Bali in September like they booked in early Feb this year.

 

[CarltonDry]

I’d say the players who are complaining are the ones being shopped around and one who wanted a pay rise so don’t put them all in the same basket. Training wouldn’t be overly taxing so probably more gym work to add size. The players won’t start pre season until mid November so they’ll still get a good break with private training

 

[Sabre]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Grub is lucky he's got a team to train for at all.

 

[hobbo1]

I have a couple of sources in the club. All year their feedback was most consistent on these two points

“The tigers are training the house down”

“The players seem to respect Madge”

So, Madge works them super hard and isn’t their mate.

I have zero doubt Madge is a tough task master. I have zero doubt some players won’t like that. In fact some won’t have the bodies to cope with it (like Inglis)

But. Every tigers fan out there KNOWS the Tigers need to toughen up.

Somehow we became a soft bellied club. The opposite of our dual roots.

I know we have a tough three years coming under Madge. Culture change takes years.


It will separate the men from the boys. One little boy has had a tantrum and thrown his toys out of the cot already after only one season, let’s see if any others do as well. The ones that hang in there will reap the reward big time and hopefully be stronger, fitter and more capable players in the long run because that’s what this club so desperately needs.

But it is not "one". **If that report is true**, and it claims to have had it verified, then a group of senior players all went to the union about the issue.

We can't just say Matterson is having a sook. To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week.

Either a group of senior players did go to the union, or they did not. The club should clarify that as it clearly undermines the coach.

I find it strange that Danny didn't name these group of senior players in his article..ah no I don't...

If it's true why not name them...?

Have you got the number for the hotline?

 

[Tigerlily]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Sorry SC totally disagree...Souths in regards to Michael Maguire were an absolute rabble of a team before he was appointed their Coach...In the 10 years prior to his arrival, Souths only manage to make the top 8 once, during Madge’s tenure of 7 years it turned into 4 Finals appearances, 1 Grand Final win (which no Coach had manage to do since the 70s)...There is no doubt in my mind that Madge is the right fit for the WTs at this stage of our history, we have needed a strong disciplinarian Coach for a long time, and if the so called couple of disgruntled players don’t agree with his coaching methods then their obviously the wrong fit for our club.

 

[TheDaBoss]

I have a couple of sources in the club. All year their feedback was most consistent on these two points

“The tigers are training the house down”

“The players seem to respect Madge”

So, Madge works them super hard and isn’t their mate.

I have zero doubt Madge is a tough task master. I have zero doubt some players won’t like that. In fact some won’t have the bodies to cope with it (like Inglis)

But. Every tigers fan out there KNOWS the Tigers need to toughen up.

Somehow we became a soft bellied club. The opposite of our dual roots.

I know we have a tough three years coming under Madge. Culture change takes years.


It will separate the men from the boys. One little boy has had a tantrum and thrown his toys out of the cot already after only one season, let’s see if any others do as well. The ones that hang in there will reap the reward big time and hopefully be stronger, fitter and more capable players in the long run because that’s what this club so desperately needs.

But it is not "one". **If that report is true**, and it claims to have had it verified, then a group of senior players all went to the union about the issue.

We can't just say Matterson is having a sook. To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week.

Either a group of senior players did go to the union, or they did not. The club should clarify that as it clearly undermines the coach.

I find it strange that Danny didn't name these group of senior players in his article..ah no I don't...

If it's true why not name them...?

Have you got the number for the hotline?

000

 

[Spacecub]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Sorry SC totally disagree...Souths in regards to Michael Maguire were an absolute rabble of a team before he was appointed their Coach...In the 10 years prior to his arrival, Souths only manage to make the top 8 once, during Madge’s tenure of 7 years it turned into 4 Finals appearances, 1 Grand Final win (which no Coach had manage to do since the 70s)...There is no doubt in my mind that Madge is the right fit for the WTs at this stage of our history, we have needed a strong disciplinarian Coach for a long time, and if the so called couple of disgruntled players don’t agree with his coaching methods then their obviously the wrong fit for our club.

I respect your opinion, guess we'll just have to see what happens....just dont think he'll have the calibre of players here, that he had at soufs

 

[ElleryHanley]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Sorry SC totally disagree...Souths in regards to Michael Maguire were an absolute rabble of a team before he was appointed their Coach...In the 10 years prior to his arrival, Souths only manage to make the top 8 once, during Madge’s tenure of 7 years it turned into 4 Finals appearances, 1 Grand Final win (which no Coach had manage to do since the 70s)...There is no doubt in my mind that Madge is the right fit for the WTs at this stage of our history, we have needed a strong disciplinarian Coach for a long time, and if the so called couple of disgruntled players don’t agree with his coaching methods then their obviously the wrong fit for our club.

I respect your opinion, guess we'll just have to see what happens....just dont think he'll have the calibre of players here, that he had at soufs

That will be the biggest issue. Madge is a very good coach IMO, but his methods probably have a 2-3 year window at most.

At Souths they peaked with a great roster and then burnt out badly (despite an all star line up, they only won 18 of their final 54 games under Madge). They hit a massive wall.

Our issue is we are years away from being decent, so the 2-3 year window is way too short.

However................I am guessing Madge will change most of the roster. I.e. there won't be the same burnout as most of the guys on our 2021 roster will be new to the club.

 

[Tiger5150]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Sorry SC totally disagree...Souths in regards to Michael Maguire were an absolute rabble of a team before he was appointed their Coach...In the 10 years prior to his arrival, Souths only manage to make the top 8 once, during Madge’s tenure of 7 years it turned into 4 Finals appearances, 1 Grand Final win (which no Coach had manage to do since the 70s)...There is no doubt in my mind that Madge is the right fit for the WTs at this stage of our history, we have needed a strong disciplinarian Coach for a long time, and if the so called couple of disgruntled players don’t agree with his coaching methods then their obviously the wrong fit for our club.

I respect your opinion, guess we'll just have to see what happens....just dont think he'll have the calibre of players here, that he had at soufs

For mine its the calibre of players that is the issue here and if the calibre of the current players is to [This word has been automatically removed] and moan to others that they are training too hard, then they are not the calibre that will ever get the job done and are to be replaced.

 

[tony soprano]

Generally where there's smoke theres fire...grubs mum told me weeks ago the players are filthty about training up till the GF...and Maguires hard nosed attitude....I was constantly hammered on here regarding ivan Cleary....didnt think he was much of a coach....thoughts about Maguire are pretty much the same, yes he won a comp at souths, but gilligan could have coached that team....I then saw him stuff that side

Sorry SC totally disagree...Souths in regards to Michael Maguire were an absolute rabble of a team before he was appointed their Coach...In the 10 years prior to his arrival, Souths only manage to make the top 8 once, during Madge’s tenure of 7 years it turned into 4 Finals appearances, 1 Grand Final win (which no Coach had manage to do since the 70s)...There is no doubt in my mind that Madge is the right fit for the WTs at this stage of our history, we have needed a strong disciplinarian Coach for a long time, and if the so called couple of disgruntled players don’t agree with his coaching methods then their obviously the wrong fit for our club.

I respect your opinion, guess we'll just have to see what happens....just dont think he'll have the calibre of players here, that he had at soufs

That will be the biggest issue. Madge is a very good coach IMO, but his methods probably have a 2-3 year window at most.

At Souths they peaked with a great roster and then burnt out badly (despite an all star line up, they only won 18 of their final 54 games under Madge). They hit a massive wall.

Our issue is we are years away from being decent, so the 2-3 year window is way too short.

However................I am guessing Madge will change most of the roster. I.e. there won't be the same burnout as most of the guys on our 2021 roster will be new to the club.

I’d rather keep coach than players. South cannot get past top teams now.

 

[BZN]

G'day @ElleryHanley; re your "To be fair to Matterson also, he clearly put in every week". I agree, and I don't think 'anyone' on here could refute that.

From memory, he didn't miss any of our games and was thought highly enough of to be chosen in the SOO squad.

That suggests to me Brad Fittler and the other selectors didn't think he was a sook, OR as one of our forum's more articulate and no doubt well-versed contributors suggested, a sycophant.

I've got a feeling Brad Fittler would know Ryan Matterson a lot better than probably anyone on this forum.

To me that makes him anything but a sook or a sycophant.