Tigers $3.5m Roster Plan

[jirskyr]

He doesn't hurt when he hits and never has, he's a good Front Rower, ,he isn't a great one.
In attack he spends so much time fighting the tackle that there isn't much chance of anyone getting a quick run of his PTB, as he gives the defence so much time to reset.
He's good to have in the team. But we badly need a prop who the opposition does not like to see there.
So far he has been soft at times, but he's still pretty young and hopefully will get a bit harder.
As someone said earlier, he's married now , that should toughen him up and put a bit of anger in him lol

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

There are many varieties of forward in the game. Woods just isn't that bloke to smash into the opposition, flop to his belly and fire off a fast PTB. He's just not fast enough, not dynamic enough. It's like asking Keithy Galloway to do the same thing when the guy's top speed is tortoise.

Woods is supposed to fight the tackle and attract defenders. That's his game. He has tremendous at-line footwork so the defenders almost never put a clean hit on him, which forces them to commit multiple tacklers. He pulls 3-4 tacklers out of the line with most hitups, which leaves large holes in the ruck. The line further out wide can be somewhat set, but if 4/13 players are in the tackle, that is a great opportunity. What he needs after his hitup is the fast bullocking run, Jesse Sue can be this guy, to take advantage of the messy ruck.

I have seen ZERO evidence of him ever being soft. Has he backed away from a fight or refused to take a dirty hitup?

The bloke is first-picked prop for NSW and second-picked prop for Australia. That's on Blocker Roach terms.

Certainly he has parts of his game that can be improved, all players have that. I agree he spends a bit too much time milking the ruck and Farah used to have the same problem, the refs start to ignore you.

But the guy makes large metres with big minutes and lots of tackles. What more do you want from the guy, seriously.

Tell me the props who the opposition are afraid of, in the whole game? Who are the true prop enforcers in the modern game, who are fast enough to pull off reeling hits and sprinting hitups? That stuff is for backrowers.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I never said that he backed away from a fight, as fights are no longer in the game. They're are more now like a ridiculous dance.
However His PTB's are mostly slow and when he can't get an off load, he's better to concentrate on a quicker PTB

 

[innsaneink]

Lol… Owned

 

[king_sirro]

He doesn't hurt when he hits and never has, he's a good Front Rower, ,he isn't a great one.
In attack he spends so much time fighting the tackle that there isn't much chance of anyone getting a quick run of his PTB, as he gives the defence so much time to reset.
He's good to have in the team. But we badly need a prop who the opposition does not like to see there.
So far he has been soft at times, but he's still pretty young and hopefully will get a bit harder.
As someone said earlier, he's married now , that should toughen him up and put a bit of anger in him lol

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

There are many varieties of forward in the game. Woods just isn't that bloke to smash into the opposition, flop to his belly and fire off a fast PTB. He's just not fast enough, not dynamic enough. It's like asking Keithy Galloway to do the same thing when the guy's top speed is tortoise.

Woods is supposed to fight the tackle and attract defenders. That's his game. He has tremendous at-line footwork so the defenders almost never put a clean hit on him, which forces them to commit multiple tacklers. He pulls 3-4 tacklers out of the line with most hitups, which leaves large holes in the ruck. The line further out wide can be somewhat set, but if 4/13 players are in the tackle, that is a great opportunity. What he needs after his hitup is the fast bullocking run, Jesse Sue can be this guy, to take advantage of the messy ruck.

I have seen ZERO evidence of him ever being soft. Has he backed away from a fight or refused to take a dirty hitup?

The bloke is first-picked prop for NSW and second-picked prop for Australia. That's on Blocker Roach terms.

Certainly he has parts of his game that can be improved, all players have that. I agree he spends a bit too much time milking the ruck and Farah used to have the same problem, the refs start to ignore you.

But the guy makes large metres with big minutes and lots of tackles. What more do you want from the guy, seriously.

Tell me the props who the opposition are afraid of, in the whole game? Who are the true prop enforcers in the modern game, who are fast enough to pull off reeling hits and sprinting hitups? That stuff is for backrowers.

Not the best comparison using Galloway. While he seemed sluggish, he had a great ability to land on his front. If Galloway can do it then so can Woods. So when u ask what more do u want from the guy, well i want him to stop landing on his back getting slow play the balls. Im at a loss as to why he turns at the defence and deliberately lands on his back. Drives me insane.

Thats the only issue i have with him. His go forward is great, his workrate his great, his skill is great, and his defence is great. Saying all that he kills our momentum so often with his play the balls. Time to fix it Aaron.

 

[TYGA]

I'm thinking the breakdown is something like…

Teddy - $1.2 million
Moses - $800k
Woods - $800k
Brooks - $700k

Hoping Brooks plays for what he's worth this season.

Can front rowers really get paid $800k?

Klemmer reportedly got 700 k in his last contract , so with the increases in the cap $ 700 - 800 k for SOO and Australian props isn't out of the question

But I still reckon Moses will be close to a million with TPA's (if not more ), he is in a similar position to Tedesco when he signed his last contract

You don't want to take the risk of losing him Moses is past the potential stage and (touch wood ) rarely misses games

Spot on people need to understand halves/fullbacks at Origin level will be 1m p.a. So Teddy will be in the 7 figure territory. Moses has the potential to be Great and was one of the best 5/8 in the competition.
If we can retain both for under $1.8m we would have done really well.

 

[Harvey]

You can't work out what a player is worth in $$ terms until you know the value of the cap, and what is happening with the review of 3rd party deals.

 

[Donald_Trump]

I call Woodsy "Mr Whippy" which over the years I have cut down to just a lazy "Whipps". "Go Whipps" I find myself saying as he lumbers the ball up and then lays on the ground trying to milk a penalty whilst the defence has enough time to walk back to get onside. Oh yes I almost forgot, I got a little sidetracked there, the reasoning I call him Whipps - he is soft and full of fat and runs as slow as the Mr Whippy truck is driven. Whipps for Captain - of our state cup side.

 

[supercoach]

Priorities

1.Teddy
2.Moses

I do not care about Brooks. He is lame. Brooks can be compensated by JLJ who is just as good and cheaper.

Woods - I wouldn't break the bank for him. He could be so much more. He is soft

Woods is far from soft. The fact that he doesn't need to play the "angry psycho bloke" further demonstrates this IMO. Apart from the god awful chick teenybopper headband he feels compelled to wear he is a hard nut. Can't remember him ever being shortened up in a tackle and struggling to get to his feet through pain. Opposition players may not fear him but I'd bet they sure respect his durability.
Prefer him over a "loose cannon" type like Waerea-Hargraves who is great at belting blokes high and late but only has 2 or 3 good games in him per season, if that. Woods is a gun.

Every now and than someone posts a really good post and sums up a situation to a tee…'this is one of them...bravo

 

[Nelson]

Not the best comparison using Galloway. While he seemed sluggish, he had a great ability to land on his front. If Galloway can do it then so can Woods. So when u ask what more do u want from the guy, well i want him to stop landing on his back getting slow play the balls. Im at a loss as to why he turns at the defence and deliberately lands on his back. Drives me insane.

He doesn't turn so that he will land on his back, I think he turns because he can get better leg drive that way and make a few post contact metres and maybe draw another defender.

 

[stryker]

He doesn't hurt when he hits and never has, he's a good Front Rower, ,he isn't a great one.
In attack he spends so much time fighting the tackle that there isn't much chance of anyone getting a quick run of his PTB, as he gives the defence so much time to reset.
He's good to have in the team. But we badly need a prop who the opposition does not like to see there.
So far he has been soft at times, but he's still pretty young and hopefully will get a bit harder.
As someone said earlier, he's married now , that should toughen him up and put a bit of anger in him lol

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

There are many varieties of forward in the game. Woods just isn't that bloke to smash into the opposition, flop to his belly and fire off a fast PTB. He's just not fast enough, not dynamic enough. It's like asking Keithy Galloway to do the same thing when the guy's top speed is tortoise.

Woods is supposed to fight the tackle and attract defenders. That's his game. He has tremendous at-line footwork so the defenders almost never put a clean hit on him, which forces them to commit multiple tacklers. He pulls 3-4 tacklers out of the line with most hitups, which leaves large holes in the ruck. The line further out wide can be somewhat set, but if 4/13 players are in the tackle, that is a great opportunity. What he needs after his hitup is the fast bullocking run, Jesse Sue can be this guy, to take advantage of the messy ruck.

I have seen ZERO evidence of him ever being soft. Has he backed away from a fight or refused to take a dirty hitup?

The bloke is first-picked prop for NSW and second-picked prop for Australia. That's on Blocker Roach terms.

Certainly he has parts of his game that can be improved, all players have that. I agree he spends a bit too much time milking the ruck and Farah used to have the same problem, the refs start to ignore you.

But the guy makes large metres with big minutes and lots of tackles. What more do you want from the guy, seriously.

Tell me the props who the opposition are afraid of, in the whole game? Who are the true prop enforcers in the modern game, who are fast enough to pull off reeling hits and sprinting hitups? That stuff is for backrowers.

He consistently refuses to take dirty hitups….he almost never does. He also gets dominated in the tackle regularly either landing on his back or being held up allowing the line to be set.
I would absolutley hate to be taking the next hitup after one of his "charges". Watch his game closer. He takes the third hitup after others have done the dirty work and usually the 4th runner gets belted by a set and straight line. He gets good meters but they are due to his selection of when to get involved.

The props job is truck it up the guts and absorb the punishment of defence and get a quick play the ball so the more skillful backrowers like Taylor have more room to work. For the past few years, Woodsy doesnt do this and as a result the backrowers are working harder, doing the tough runs, which is limiting their impact in both attack and defence due to fatigue.

 

[Geo]

Yet good enough to be the starting Prop for Australia..go figure..

 

[stryker]

Yet good enough to be the starting Prop for Australia..go figure..

He is due to necessity. There was a vacuum and his big frame filled it. However the recent 4 nations proved he has to lift his game or he will be pushed out very soon. He has good competition coming through.

 

[stryker]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

 

[jirskyr]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

 

[jirskyr]

Not the best comparison using Galloway. While he seemed sluggish, he had a great ability to land on his front. If Galloway can do it then so can Woods. So when u ask what more do u want from the guy, well i want him to stop landing on his back getting slow play the balls. Im at a loss as to why he turns at the defence and deliberately lands on his back. Drives me insane.

He doesn't turn so that he will land on his back, I think he turns because he can get better leg drive that way and make a few post contact metres and maybe draw another defender.

Spot on Nelson, he turns to stop dominant tackles and keep pushing through contact. Woods almost never gets driven onto his back, he often falls onto his back when his legs are taken. ?But it's a forward motion. This is also how Woods offloads - popped pass back over the top of defenders.

Sure sometimes he is slow to get up but most props are, of all the players to take hitups. James Graham regularly gets laid out but he just keeps coming, that's his go.

Galloway would hit the line and drop. That's fine for advocates of quick PTB but you have to realise that such a play does not commit defenders, they just bounce up with you, or they hold you down for longer because it's a dominant-type tackle when the runner doesn't break the line.

This is a real interesting thing, the anti-Woods brigade that have come out. Our only truly regular rep player and people don't rate him because he doesn't do Chris Heighington hit and drop PTBs.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

My only issue with Woods is the way he seizes up in the tackle and stands like the statue of liberty not even looking for the offload.

 

[king_sirro]

Not the best comparison using Galloway. While he seemed sluggish, he had a great ability to land on his front. If Galloway can do it then so can Woods. So when u ask what more do u want from the guy, well i want him to stop landing on his back getting slow play the balls. Im at a loss as to why he turns at the defence and deliberately lands on his back. Drives me insane.

He doesn't turn so that he will land on his back, I think he turns because he can get better leg drive that way and make a few post contact metres and maybe draw another defender.

Spot on Nelson, he turns to stop dominant tackles and keep pushing through contact. Woods almost never gets driven onto his back, he often falls onto his back when his legs are taken. ?But it's a forward motion. This is also how Woods offloads - popped pass back over the top of defenders.

Sure sometimes he is slow to get up but most props are, of all the players to take hitups. James Graham regularly gets laid out but he just keeps coming, that's his go.

Galloway would hit the line and drop. That's fine for advocates of quick PTB but you have to realise that such a play does not commit defenders, they just bounce up with you, or they hold you down for longer because it's a dominant-type tackle when the runner doesn't break the line.

This is a real interesting thing, the anti-Woods brigade that have come out. Our only truly regular rep player and people don't rate him because he doesn't do Chris Heighington hit and drop PTBs.

Dont quote me and call me anti woods brigade mate. Landing on his back is a fact which u acknowledge. I have never said "driven backwards". Besides that ive rapped him in every department.

 

[stryker]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

You arent making a point.

Teddy is a fullback
Gal is a backrower
Gagai is a center
Johnno is a halfback
Mannering is a backrower
Toots is a center
Paps is a backrower

Well done for spending the time to find these useless stats but at the end of the day they remain just that…useless and have no bearing on what you are trying to argue.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

What a ridiculous post. Who said that he deserves 1/17th of the blame for anything?? Talk about an over reaction.

Woods is a good prop that needs to PTB quicker when it is apparent that he won't get an offload, also has some problems in defence near the line, and gets put on his back too often.
He's not one of the greats , but he's as good as most that are around at the moment, with time on his side to improve those problems.
As for his worth, it just comes down to opinions. Mainly the clubs.
I dont think he's worth anywhere near Tedesco, and if money is tight I would rather see Tedesco overpaid than have huge amounts thrown at Woodsie.
Having said that, I'd rather see him here than elsewhere, but at a reasonable price

 

[happy_tiger]

If I have an issue with Woods it is the amount of time he takes to get back on side after a defensive set

I noticed when we played Brisbane in Brisbane in 2014 he was quite noticeably the last on side and this was after only 15 minutes

As a captain you need to set a good example across the board