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[stryker]

That's fine for advocates of quick PTB but you have to realise that such a play does not commit defenders, they just bounce up with you, or they hold you down for longer because it's a dominant-type tackle when the runner doesn't break the line.

Commiting defenders is fine if you play the ball quickly. He doesnt and when the next guy takes a hitup, he is confronted with a full set line. The rest of what you said is not correct. The benefits of a quick PTB far outwiegh the dubious negatives youve eludeed to. I say dubious because holding down is a penalty and you havent even contemplated catching players offside or not square at marker.

This is a real interesting thing, the anti-Woods brigade that have come out. Our only truly regular rep player and people don't rate him because he doesn't do Chris Heighington hit and drop PTBs.

I know you meant this sentence to be just a throw away line to finish off your ill concieved rant but WOW, JUST WOW :roll

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

That's fine for advocates of quick PTB but you have to realise that such a play does not commit defenders, they just bounce up with you, or they hold you down for longer because it's a dominant-type tackle when the runner doesn't break the line.

Commiting defenders is fine if you play the ball quickly. He doesnt and when the next guy takes a hitup, he is confronted with a full set line. The rest of what you said is not correct. The benefits of a quick PTB far outwiegh the dubious negatives youve eludeed to. I say dubious because holding down is a penalty and you havent even contemplated catching players offside or not square at marker.

This is a real interesting thing, the anti-Woods brigade that have come out. Our only truly regular rep player and people don't rate him because he doesn't do Chris Heighington hit and drop PTBs.

I know you meant this sentence to be just a throw away line to finish off your ill concieved rant but WOW, JUST WOW :roll

How come when anyone's says anything even resembling criticism , they are tagged as being "Anti "that person/ player, is it a crime to see things ( or even think )that you see things)that a player could be better at.

I don't think that theres an anti Woods brigade, just people pointing out that he has some things to work on.
Maybe it's not that they don't rate him, but more like they don't rate him as high as you do

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm of the understanding Aaron was asked to work on his meters from the Australian Coaches 2 years ago. He has addressed this area of his game and I feel he gets the right amount of quality/effectiveness from his game now.

I'm happy to look to others to get that quick PTB while Aaron focuses on his role within the 'team'!

 

[Nelson]

Woods is a good prop that needs to PTB quicker when it is apparent that he won't get an offload, also has some problems in defence near the line, and gets put on his back too often.
He's not one of the greats , but he's as good as most that are around at the moment, with time on his side to improve those problems.

They're not problems, that's just his style of play. He makes a lot of metres and creates good offload opportunities by doing what he does, and he always will regardless of how the referees choose to interpret the rules in any given year. In 2014 the refs were all over holding down in the ruck which basically handed Souths a premiership because their whole game was built on a quick PTB. The refereeing of that area has noticeably softened over the last two seasons.

Not every single prop on every single hit up needs to be looking for a quick PTB. Woods plays his role better than any other prop in the game and for that reason is a great cornerstone for our props. The problem with our props is that they lack diversity - we either need to develop one or two of them into wrecking balls that barrel into the line and get to ground quickly (Sue or Felise have the most potential for that role) or we need to recruit those sort of players like Parra just did.

I do agree with you that a quick PTB is something that Woods should have in his arsenal though. It would make him a more dynamic and dangerous player if he did occasionally push for a quick PTB - might catch the opposition napping or at least put them in two minds.

 

[Donald_Trump]

Mr Whippy needs to make way for Triple T - Taniela The Tank. The time of Paseka has arrived.

 

[Geo]

I'm of the understanding Aaron was asked to work on his meters from the Australian Coaches 2 years ago. He has addressed this area of his game and I feel he gets the right amount of quality/effectiveness from his game now.

I'm happy to look to others to get that quick PTB while Aaron focuses on his role within the 'team'!

Bloody Hell..I knew it..I blame Sheens…

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm of the understanding Aaron was asked to work on his meters from the Australian Coaches 2 years ago. He has addressed this area of his game and I feel he gets the right amount of quality/effectiveness from his game now.

I'm happy to look to others to get that quick PTB while Aaron focuses on his role within the 'team'!

Bloody Hell..I knew it..I blame Sheens…

We were probably still paying him, so figures Aaron got his value from him :wink:

 

[jirskyr]

Dont quote me and call me anti woods brigade mate. Landing on his back is a fact which u acknowledge. I have never said "driven backwards". Besides that ive rapped him in every department.

Sorry I didn't mean to specifically count you in that group. More in relation to what Nelson said, then a comment on the large amount of criticism leveled at Woods lately.

 

[jirskyr]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

What a ridiculous post. Who said that he deserves 1/17th of the blame for anything?? Talk about an over reaction.

Well stryker says he has to shoulder some of the blame for his win record. How much exactly? He plays with 16 other blokes every time he takes the field.

 

[jirskyr]

That's fine for advocates of quick PTB but you have to realise that such a play does not commit defenders, they just bounce up with you, or they hold you down for longer because it's a dominant-type tackle when the runner doesn't break the line.

Commiting defenders is fine if you play the ball quickly. He doesnt and when the next guy takes a hitup, he is confronted with a full set line. The rest of what you said is not correct. The benefits of a quick PTB far outwiegh the dubious negatives youve eludeed to. I say dubious because holding down is a penalty and you havent even contemplated catching players offside or not square at marker.

This is a real interesting thing, the anti-Woods brigade that have come out. Our only truly regular rep player and people don't rate him because he doesn't do Chris Heighington hit and drop PTBs.

I know you meant this sentence to be just a throw away line to finish off your ill concieved rant but WOW, JUST WOW :roll

How come when anyone's says anything even resembling criticism , they are tagged as being "Anti "that person/ player, is it a crime to see things ( or even think )that you see things)that a player could be better at.

I don't think that theres an anti Woods brigade, just people pointing out that he has some things to work on.
Maybe it's not that they don't rate him, but more like they don't rate him as high as you do

Well at some point the level of criticism reaches beyond constructive and into dismissive. I am reading stuff that is fairly dismissive of Woods: he's not that great, some people would even be happy to see him go etc.

I am not specifically naming individuals who are anti-Woods, I'm not bracketing people into a target group. I am addressing specific comments by people. If you felt yourself labelled thus and don't feel it's accurate, no drama, I apologise and no intention.

 

[Donald_Trump]

Woods to Manly just surfaced its head on Instagram. Imagine a swap for Jake Trbojevic!

 

[jirskyr]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

You arent making a point.

Teddy is a fullback
Gal is a backrower
Gagai is a center
Johnno is a halfback
Mannering is a backrower
Toots is a center
Paps is a backrower

Well done for spending the time to find these useless stats but at the end of the day they remain just that…useless and have no bearing on what you are trying to argue.

Well for starters you took the time to look up Wood's win record in the first place; I fail to see how a type of statistic introduced by yourself becomes irrelevant when used by someone else.

Or do win rates only apply to props? Is that what you meant? Shall I quote Shannon Boyd's win rate or Reagan Campbell-Gillard? Or are they equally as useless, do win rates only apply specifically to Aaron Woods?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Woods to Manly just surfaced its head on Instagram. Imagine a swap for Jake Trbojevic!

That surfaced last time he was negotiating contracts too… They must be keen to see the shaggy bugger over there?

 

[innsaneink]

I'm not too certain which tackles woodsy regularly his it up but I think it's usually early in the set… Sometimes twice a set so one has to be early.
Coming out of trouble off kicks we often use outside backs early.
I don't think quick ptbs are really expected on the first tackle... Off course if one is gained then bonus.... But tackle one is usually trying to establish some momentum for the following set . If drawing in defenses is the goal for a spread a tackle or two later then whats the prob?
It's how we've played for a while as we rarely manage to gain momentum bending/breaking the line at the ruck.
Woods is woods now and he's not changing I'd say.. Much like kilo was kilo.
He gets his 10/12 meters per hit up constantly

My main criticism of him is his lateral defense which can be quite lazy....

 

[innsaneink]

Woods to Manly just surfaced its head on Instagram. Imagine a swap for Jake Trbojevic!

That surfaced last time he was negotiating contracts too… They must be keen to see the shaggy bugger over there?

He's been quoted as saying he was a manly fan as a kid
2+2=3

 

[Tim Sheens]

Must be about time the flames were turned back towards Brooks :slight_smile:

 

[stryker]

The frontrow forwards set the platform for the win. Obviously the following isnt all his fault but he has to shoulder some of the blame….

Wests Tigers career = 124 apperances for a 46.77% win record
New South Wales career = 11 appearances for a 36.36% win record
Australian career = 9 appearances for a 66.67% win record

Anyway, if he wants much more next contract neg i wouldnt be fussed if we told him to walk

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

You arent making a point.

Teddy is a fullback
Gal is a backrower
Gagai is a center
Johnno is a halfback
Mannering is a backrower
Toots is a center
Paps is a backrower

Well done for spending the time to find these useless stats but at the end of the day they remain just that…useless and have no bearing on what you are trying to argue.

Well for starters you took the time to look up Wood's win record in the first place; I fail to see how a type of statistic introduced by yourself becomes irrelevant when used by someone else.

Or do win rates only apply to props? Is that what you meant? Shall I quote Shannon Boyd's win rate or Reagan Campbell-Gillard? Or are they equally as useless, do win rates only apply specifically to Aaron Woods?

I introduced stats to specifically back up my claim that as one of the game's premier front rowers, he rarely sets a good enough platform for victory. I would have added the other top tier props but i dont need to as its obvious their win rates are superior. Obviously a myriad of other factors contribute to victory and theyve been discussed to death in other threads. My point was for the money people are claiming he is worth we dont see the results that could be expected.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wow just wow.

So Woods shoulders 1/17th of the blame for all the losses he's had? Even if he does the work of more than one bloke.

Better put a line through Jimmy Tedesco as well, he has 25 wins out of 69 appearances = 36.23%. What a soft loser Tedesco is!

Oh and that loser and premiership winner Paul Gallen, club win rate 49.82%, Origin win rate 37.50%. Got no time for Dane Gagai either, win rate 37.50%. And that hopeless Shaun Johnson win rate 47.20%, plus his nobody team mate Simon Mannering win rate 49.22%. Oh and that useless leading points scorer Jarrod Croker win rate 47.12%. Would hate to have Josh Papalii on the team, he only wins 48.06% of his matches.

You get my point I hope.

You arent making a point.

Teddy is a fullback
Gal is a backrower
Gagai is a center
Johnno is a halfback
Mannering is a backrower
Toots is a center
Paps is a backrower

Well done for spending the time to find these useless stats but at the end of the day they remain just that…useless and have no bearing on what you are trying to argue.

Well for starters you took the time to look up Wood's win record in the first place; I fail to see how a type of statistic introduced by yourself becomes irrelevant when used by someone else.

Or do win rates only apply to props? Is that what you meant? Shall I quote Shannon Boyd's win rate or Reagan Campbell-Gillard? Or are they equally as useless, do win rates only apply specifically to Aaron Woods?

I introduced stats to specifically back up my claim that as one of the game's premier front rowers, he rarely sets a good enough platform for victory. I would have added the other top tier props but i dont need to as its obvious their win rates are superior. Obviously a myriad of other factors contribute to victory and theyve been discussed to death in other threads. My point was for the money people are claiming he is worth we dont see the results that could be expected.

The best props in the game don't necessarily have to play for the best sides

 

[Donald_Trump]

Woods to Manly just surfaced its head on Instagram. Imagine a swap for Jake Trbojevic!

That surfaced last time he was negotiating contracts too… They must be keen to see the shaggy bugger over there?

He's been quoted as saying he was a manly fan as a kid
2+2=3

I don't get the 2+2=3 comment

 

[innsaneink]

It's what journos get usually when they put two and two together