Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap

@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131605) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Farah was always one of our weakest tacklers. Whether or not Walters can keep it up is my only concern.

Hopefully we don't have to find out
 
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Interesting... saw Corey miss more than 2?

In the first half...
 
@Tigerboy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131625) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Interesting... saw Corey miss more than 2?

In the first half...

You would have to take that up with the NRL statistical division...they had Thompson 5 made 0 misses out of interest..
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131631) said:
@Tigerboy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131625) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Interesting... saw Corey miss more than 2?

In the first half...

You would have to take that up with the NRL statistical division...they had Thompson 5 made 0 misses out of interest..

He missed Punt Hunt off a standing start in the teeth of the defensive line during the second half... I mean no need to worry he’s still in the team but I couldn’t count his tackles from that game on one hand IIRC. Missed a couple

Couldn’t track down a few more...

If you can prove didn’t miss the tackle I’m suggesting then would definitely prove your point. At this stage, I’m certain of it and can’t have a winger who isn’t strong or fast enough

He didn’t even nab the try out of acting half when Benj was screaming for it. Grant will tho
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed
 
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131638) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins

Well that is simple ..they were sliding when they shouldn't have been sliding ..we were numbered up OK as long as the inside defenders kept working hard

Its gonna happen Geo ...Lucy and Benji lack speed and most teams will focus on that late in both halves
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131638) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins

To be fair it’s because Bof’s been told to stay on the sideline, BJ and Benji lacked coherency and Benji defs made more effective tackles than Thompson and Jennings combined, although CT’s lack of dominance in the ruck’s concerning.

Probably a few extra missed as Frizzy similar to Sims on the other side was clearly tasked with putting a hurt on our halves. Great win!

No need to find fault
 
@supercoach said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131548) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131489) said:
@OzLuke said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1130928) said:
I liked the look of walters. Apart from a few errors he made truck loads of tackles and looked lively on the ball. I really liked what he offers.

He impressed me, he's all footballer, if the Tigers are smart they'll lock him up on a long contract, can only see good things in the future.

Locking players up to long contracts especially after a handful of games is the fast way to the bottom. Thankfully Maguire seems to have a pretty good handle on things. As for Walters, at present he is a solid fill in, nothing less or nothing more

You're obviously not much of a judge.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

The Frizell breaks I thought Lucy was entitled to think Benji would cover on the inside - if Lucy had committed to Frizell there would have been a huge overlap. What Lucy was slow on was the Ben Hunt break right near the end (where Vaughn dropped it) - he didn't even lay a hand on him to notch up a missed tackle. That happens though, I'm not going to be too critical of him for that. Halves should be in with a good shot of exploiting tired marker forwards at the end of the game like that.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131642) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131638) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins

Well that is simple ..they were sliding when they shouldn't have been sliding ..we were numbered up OK as long as the inside defenders kept working hard

Its gonna happen Geo ...Lucy and Benji lack speed and most teams will focus on that late in both halves

They also record ave PTB speed which I have no idea how they figure that one out..Mikaele the fastest with 2.93s Luciano and Musgrove the slowest with 3.93s..in the forwards Joey 2.84s and Thompson 3.95s in the backs..

It's a game of inches..lol
 
Benji will always get isolated one on one. It’s up to the Leilua bro’s to help him out when that happens but when it’s round 1 and both came to the club a bit unfit Benji was always gonna get caught out one on one - he won’t have many better players than Frizell running at him during the year too. Benji needs to do a bit better there though Frizell glided past him, I’m sure Madge will work on it
 
@Nelson said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131647) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

The Frizell breaks I thought Lucy was entitled to think Benji would cover on the inside - if Lucy had committed to Frizell there would have been a huge overlap. What Lucy was slow on was the Ben Hunt break right near the end (where Vaughn dropped it) - he didn't even lay a hand on him to notch up a missed tackle. That happens though, I'm not going to be too critical of him for that. Halves should be in with a good shot of exploiting tired marker forwards at the end of the game like that.

Speed is the biggest issue on both occasions and they shouldn't have been sliding ...didn't help that the Dragons were winning the ruck and we were on the back foot in the last 15 minute

Benji was great don't get me wrong ...but he has definitely lost more speed since 2019 , particularly off the mark
 
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131651) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131642) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131638) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131634) said:
@Geo said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131620) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131601) said:
@gallagher said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131590) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131523) said:
@formerguest said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1131512) said:
I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins

Well that is simple ..they were sliding when they shouldn't have been sliding ..we were numbered up OK as long as the inside defenders kept working hard

Its gonna happen Geo ...Lucy and Benji lack speed and most teams will focus on that late in both halves

They also record ave PTB speed which I have no idea how they figure that one out..Mikaele the fastest with 2.93s Luciano and Musgrove the slowest with 3.93s..in the forwards Joey 2.84s and Thompson 3.95s in the backs..

It's a game of inches..lol

Well cm it's not 1965 anymore

Even using that is comparative ....couple of times Musgrave was battling for the tryline

I thought Muzzy what commiting more numbers in tackles than Mikaele

The future looks very bright for Tom and am also expecting Zane to improve fitness wise in leaps and bounds
 
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I don't understand the gushing around Walters for at best an average game, but hey, if you guys are happy with that level of nine, then who am I to argue.

Yeah ...he not in the same ball park as the bloke we had last season

Brooks or Benji wouldn't have got the ball that early last year.

He was a far better defender ...Walters got pushed off regularly on Sunday

Interesting stats from the game

Walters 35 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective Tackle efficiency 85.4%
Twal 36 tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 90%
Aloiai 19 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective T/E 95 %

Not bad for your starting front row

Mikaele 21 Tackles 2 missed 2 ineffective T/E 84%
Musgrove 9 Tackles 2 missed 1 ineffective T/E 75%

so Walters held his own during the rotation..

Our best defender statistically was Luciano Leilua with 31 tackles 0 missed 1 ineffective 96.9 % which is a bit deceptive as Frizzell poured down that side quite a bit..Worst Jennings 1 tackle 2 missed T/E 25%

Frizzell beat Benji with pace regularly ..quite surprised Benji wasn't doing what he quite regularly does by trying to come out quick and slow the bigger blokes down .....maybe his wrist issues were the cause

Benji probably missed 7-8 tackles ...which I can live with ..as long as they aren't clean misses

Not sure why you are blaming Lucy for ..when we were losing the ruck in the last 15 minutes he got sucked closer to the middle and then we got caught out by the spread

Stats can be misleading ...just because you complete a tackle doesn't mean it was an effective tackle or helped controlled the ruck /ruck speed

I'm not blaming anyone..just pointing out teams need to defend as a unit..why is your half getting isolated 1 on 1 that far out from the tryline..

NRL records in-effective tackles...the middles had 8 in total for the 80mins

Well that is simple ..they were sliding when they shouldn't have been sliding ..we were numbered up OK as long as the inside defenders kept working hard

Its gonna happen Geo ...Lucy and Benji lack speed and most teams will focus on that late in both halves

They also record ave PTB speed which I have no idea how they figure that one out..Mikaele the fastest with 2.93s Luciano and Musgrove the slowest with 3.93s..in the forwards Joey 2.84s and Thompson 3.95s in the backs..

It's a game of inches..lol

Well cm it's not 1965 anymore

Even using that is comparative ....couple of times Musgrave was battling for the tryline

I thought Muzzy what commiting more numbers in tackles than Mikaele

The future looks very bright for Tom and am also expecting Zane to improve fitness wise in leaps and bounds

Musgrove got 0 tries going for the tryline and Mikaele contributed to two tries by getting away a late offload and getting a quick PTB. Musgrove committed more initially but wrestled and gave them enough time to peel off and reset. Both looked dangerous though.
 
I thought Musgrove looked great in limited minutes. Heaps of post contact metres and always took four guys to stop him.

In fact all our props looked good and will only improve as the year goes on
 
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@OzLuke said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1130928) said:
I liked the look of walters. Apart from a few errors he made truck loads of tackles and looked lively on the ball. I really liked what he offers.

He impressed me, he's all footballer, if the Tigers are smart they'll lock him up on a long contract, can only see good things in the future.

Locking players up to long contracts especially after a handful of games is the fast way to the bottom. Thankfully Maguire seems to have a pretty good handle on things. As for Walters, at present he is a solid fill in, nothing less or nothing more

You're obviously not much of a judge.

Mate your welcome to express your views that’s what the forum is all about. Just like I am free to express my views...and I will say it again 2 offer a long contract to a 25 year old after two NRL games is not way I would go and I dare say the club would go. In this day and age the clubs are very reluctant to offer anyone even a three year deal. Of course if David Fafita was available they would probably make a exception.

Anyway mate drop off a email to Pascoe and tell him your thoughts!!
 
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