Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap

[twentyforty]

I feel that the NRL is arguing against a disparity that they already preside over. Every reasonable supporter understands that the lower clubs have to pay a premium to attract talent and that a few clubs have rosters under the same cap and with supposedly meagre TPA's, that are impossible for most clubs to assemble.

That’s right. However, if a struggling club has to pay overs for a player why should it advantage a competing club. If this swap went ahead under those conditions then it sets a precedent for corruption of the cap.imo

 

[supercoach]

I think the the reason this is not proceeding is because Bellamy won’t budge? Is it possible he thought he could swap a gogomobile for a Maserati without a price/cap adjustment? imo

I was of the understanding that the swap was Melb pay HG we pay Momo...shouldn't affect either cap...I don't know why it became complicated ..but still agree that it is a great scenario that should be signed off by the NRL..

Because the NRL believe that Momo is worth more than the Storm are paying Grant, so they view it as a way of going over the cap!

Pretty simple, Momo is worth what we are paying and Harry the hooker is worth what the Storm are paying. Momo value comes off the Storms cap and Grants cash comes off our cap.
Maybe you could add both values together And divide by two and split the amount across both clubs, but as soon as you create a lop hole the smarties will exploit it

 

[cochise]

I think the the reason this is not proceeding is because Bellamy won’t budge? Is it possible he thought he could swap a gogomobile for a Maserati without a price/cap adjustment? imo

I was of the understanding that the swap was Melb pay HG we pay Momo...shouldn't affect either cap...I don't know why it became complicated ..but still agree that it is a great scenario that should be signed off by the NRL..

Because the NRL believe that Momo is worth more than the Storm are paying Grant, so they view it as a way of going over the cap!

Pretty simple, Momo is worth what we are paying and Harry the hooker is worth what the Storm are paying. Momo value comes off the Storms cap and Grants cash comes off our cap.
Maybe you could add both values together And divide by two and split the amount across both clubs, but as soon as you create a lop hole the smarties will exploit it

That is why it is not going ahead!

 

[supercoach]

I think the the reason this is not proceeding is because Bellamy won’t budge? Is it possible he thought he could swap a gogomobile for a Maserati without a price/cap adjustment? imo

I was of the understanding that the swap was Melb pay HG we pay Momo...shouldn't affect either cap...I don't know why it became complicated ..but still agree that it is a great scenario that should be signed off by the NRL..

Because the NRL believe that Momo is worth more than the Storm are paying Grant, so they view it as a way of going over the cap!

Pretty simple, Momo is worth what we are paying and Harry the hooker is worth what the Storm are paying. Momo value comes off the Storms cap and Grants cash comes off our cap.
Maybe you could add both values together And divide by two and split the amount across both clubs, but as soon as you create a lop hole the smarties will exploit it

That is why it is not going ahead!...exactly...Storm want 90g off their cap and not what we are paying Momo and I agree with the NRL

 

[Tim Sheens]

I feel that the NRL is arguing against a disparity that they already preside over. Every reasonable supporter understands that the lower clubs have to pay a premium to attract talent and that a few clubs have rosters under the same cap and with supposedly meagre TPA's, that are impossible for most clubs to assemble.


That’s right. However, if a struggling club has to pay overs for a player why should it advantage a competing club. If this swap went ahead under those conditions then it sets a precedent for corruption of the cap.imo

I don't see that at all, in fact I see it as a great way to get more of the players that should be in the top level, actually playing there. Take this forum for example, with their general thoughts on say Packer, Reynolds and Mbye to a lesser extent, as most see their value as way below their worth, even to our struggling club that has not made the finals for eight years.

If any of those players went to another club, WT would be paying a significant amount of the freight and the new club a lot less, with the total monies included in the respective caps and most supporters happy to see it done. As such, I see little or no difference between that or a swap for a single season between clubs, as it is an agreement that benefits both for their own purposes.

 

[supercoach]

I feel that the NRL is arguing against a disparity that they already preside over. Every reasonable supporter understands that the lower clubs have to pay a premium to attract talent and that a few clubs have rosters under the same cap and with supposedly meagre TPA's, that are impossible for most clubs to assemble.


That’s right. However, if a struggling club has to pay overs for a player why should it advantage a competing club. If this swap went ahead under those conditions then it sets a precedent for corruption of the cap.imo

I don't see that at all, in fact I see it as a great way to get more of the players that should be in the top level, actually playing there. Take this forum for example, with their general thoughts on say Packer, Reynolds and Mbye to a lesser extent, as most see their value as way below their worth, even to our struggling club that has not made the finals for eight years.

If any of those players went to another club, WT would be paying a significant amount of the freight and the new club a lot less, with the total monies included in the respective caps and most supporters happy to see it done. As such, I see little or no difference between that or a swap for a single season between clubs, as it is an agreement that benefits both for their own purposes.

You make a good point, had not looked at it that way and your right..What is the difference when you release a player and retain some of the contact value on your cap

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the the reason this is not proceeding is because Bellamy won’t budge? Is it possible he thought he could swap a gogomobile for a Maserati without a price/cap adjustment? imo

I was of the understanding that the swap was Melb pay HG we pay Momo...shouldn't affect either cap...I don't know why it became complicated ..but still agree that it is a great scenario that should be signed off by the NRL..

It should be no different than Stefano’s situation which has been sanctioned by the NRL . If both clubs wanted this to proceed then the players would cxl their existing contracts with each player entering into 2 new contracts mirroring existing conditions. That’s a swap without any reshaping of the cap.

The Storm want the existing contracts to remain so they don't have to pay any more than they are already!

Yeah but we need a hooker ....if we are the one's losing in the deal but are still happy to do the deal ....

As I said earlier I think the NRL probably would have said yes until Reynolds was cleared to play

Now we have someone that they believe can play 9 ...you watch they will stop it

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the the reason this is not proceeding is because Bellamy won’t budge? Is it possible he thought he could swap a gogomobile for a Maserati without a price/cap adjustment? imo

I was of the understanding that the swap was Melb pay HG we pay Momo...shouldn't affect either cap...I don't know why it became complicated ..but still agree that it is a great scenario that should be signed off by the NRL..

Because the NRL believe that Momo is worth more than the Storm are paying Grant, so they view it as a way of going over the cap!

Pretty simple, Momo is worth what we are paying and Harry the hooker is worth what the Storm are paying. Momo value comes off the Storms cap and Grants cash comes off our cap.
Maybe you could add both values together And divide by two and split the amount across both clubs, but as soon as you create a lop hole the smarties will exploit it

The smarties can only exploit if the dummies let them SC

 

[hobbo1]

NRL are visionaries..said no one ever..

Toddy has a kaleidoscope in his top draw next to his .38

 

[Tiger5150]

For once I think the NRL have a fair point. If the Storm pick up a player worth say 200g that’s what should come off their cap regardless of who is paying the 200g

Exactly, it should be the value of the player playing in your squad regardless of who is paying the $$$ otherwise this will be rorted big time. Im assuming that the difference in momos contract tips Storm over.

 

[bathursttiger1]

NRL are visionaries..said no one ever..

Toddy has a kaleidoscope in his top draw next to his .38

I hope he does a "Warden Norton" with the 38.

 

[hobbo1]

NRL are visionaries..said no one ever..

Toddy has a kaleidoscope in his top draw next to his .38

I hope he does a "Warden Norton" with the 38.

After he gets caught out with the wrong roosters books lol

 

[Snake]

When it is all boiled down it is nickel and dime stuff frankly ...it is blocking pathways for younger players to get a grounding start for small amounts of money in real terms .

 

[Ponyo]

When it is all boiled down it is nickel and dime stuff frankly ...it is blocking pathways for younger players to get a grounding start for small amounts of money in real terms .

On the flip side it's giving other players
Opportunities they wouldn't otherwise
be afforded for x, y, z reasons. Any
trade deals would have to be approved.
The development contracts are in place
for the younger players anyways. If
they're good enough they get upgraded

 

[tigerballs]

For once I think the NRL have a fair point. If the Storm pick up a player worth say 200g that’s what should come off their cap regardless of who is paying the 200g


Exactly, it should be the value of the player playing in your squad regardless of who is paying the $$$ otherwise this will be rorted big time. Im assuming that the difference in momos contract tips Storm over.

While I agree, the rort would involve one club giving an advantage to another club in opposition, or in other words, collusion. I can't really see that being a realistic scenario. If we were swapping Jordan Rankin for Cam Smith I could see a problem but two players with under a dozen NRL games under the belt....

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I feel that the NRL is arguing against a disparity that they already preside over. Every reasonable supporter understands that the lower clubs have to pay a premium to attract talent and that a few clubs have rosters under the same cap and with supposedly meagre TPA's, that are impossible for most clubs to assemble.


That’s right. However, if a struggling club has to pay overs for a player why should it advantage a competing club. If this swap went ahead under those conditions then it sets a precedent for corruption of the cap.imo

Honestly though, could the salary cap be any more corrupted than it already is? It's a complete joke already.

 

[Tiger5150]

For once I think the NRL have a fair point. If the Storm pick up a player worth say 200g that’s what should come off their cap regardless of who is paying the 200g


Exactly, it should be the value of the player playing in your squad regardless of who is paying the $$$ otherwise this will be rorted big time. Im assuming that the difference in momos contract tips Storm over.

While I agree, the rort would involve one club giving an advantage to another club in opposition, or in other words, collusion. I can't really see that being a realistic scenario. If we were swapping Jordan Rankin for Cam Smith I could see a problem but two players with under a dozen NRL games under the belt....

If it can be rorted it will be rorted. For example obviously Souffs have or had a cap issue with only signing Latrell for one year plus an option. To solve a short term cap issue for a year they swap a gagai for Rankin. Problem solved

 

[balmain boy]

Storm have to be prepared to pay what Momo is on and we have to be prepared to pay what grant is on. That's not unreasonable, and it's how it's done in many sports. Unless a club needs to chip in for an overpaid player.

There couldn't be more than 50k difference in their salaries anyway. It really is chicken feed stuff, and needs to be focused on how the nrl can support young players getting more game time

 

[Sco77y]

I feel that the NRL is arguing against a disparity that they already preside over. Every reasonable supporter understands that the lower clubs have to pay a premium to attract talent and that a few clubs have rosters under the same cap and with supposedly meagre TPA's, that are impossible for most clubs to assemble.


That’s right. However, if a struggling club has to pay overs for a player why should it advantage a competing club. If this swap went ahead under those conditions then it sets a precedent for corruption of the cap.imo

Honestly though, could the salary cap be any more corrupted than it already is? It's a complete joke already.

The NRL always goes for easy targets. Try to do the right thing, with genuinely good intentions - get burned and made an example of. Spend double the allowed salary cap in hidden TPAs - no problem, no one knows until it’s too late.

 

[cochise]

Storm have to be prepared to pay what Momo is on and we have to be prepared to pay what grant is on. That's not unreasonable, and it's how it's done in many sports. Unless a club needs to chip in for an overpaid player.

There couldn't be more than 50k difference in their salaries anyway. It really is chicken feed stuff, and needs to be focused on how the nrl can support young players getting more game time

But they are not, each club wants to keep paying their player while they play for the opposition!