Tigers boss backs combined competition

[Puzzled]

I didn't say you did (hence the question mark)! I was merely asking if your proffered an opinion on the Tigers playing in Warriors and Panthers colours (and broncos to Souths). Is this person making false claims? That is all I am asking? It isn't a loaded question!

stuffed up my posting again (that was for cultured bogan)!

 

[Goose]

Didn't Melbourne get a few players from then juniors ?which just so happens to be there feeder club in qld
Smith, slater, kronk, inglis , foloua , and there are a few more
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I hate when they say they all came thru Norths (brisbane) they were from all over QLD, and recruited at massive overs into the Melbourne stable, when Inglis and Falou were "spotted" and taken to brisbane, I was in recruitment, and every recruitment man in Australia new about those 2 and everyone wanted them, they were not juniors that came thru Norths any more than Jacob Miller is our junior.

Edit: Cronk was courted by just about everyone, I saw him at a rugby carnival with another guy like me with a low budget, after about 2 minutes we knew he could play, and we knew we could not afford him, as was the case in the era, he ended up at Melbourne.

Lasted all the way to Widdop, Proctor and few others that were well known to all.

 

[Goose]

We have finally got a team together that has a good chance of winning most weeks. We finally have a club that elite players are willing to join, we finally have a club that the private sector is keen to support and we finally have a club that is being run by a person who is smarter than most other administrators in sport.

Now we go back to all the factional fighting, its not smart. This sort of fighting has destroyed trade unions,political parties and cooperations in the past. Really it can only damage our brand name. Where I agree the magpies have some real gripes, I just dont see all this mud throwing is going to help anyone. The CEO is the man driving the ship and he should be the man to head up a delegation TO GET THIS MATTER FIXED and behind closed doors and not in the media. Blind Freddy knows ours future is in the South West of Sydney and so dose our CEO

I agree, in the long run wether thats 5 or 10 years or even longer, **hopefully WT will realize South West Sydney is the area which will be the most viable.** It will make the decision easier if the area keeps unearthing talents like young Tedesco

HOW do you make that assessment???

The local juniors don't pay the club's operating expenses and I'm yet to see any legitimate business in the Macarthur region make a noticeable financial contribution to the JV or support this ridiculous rally!!!

Galahs mob will only alienate themselves from both WT and the NRL - and on that basis alone they will defeat their own purpose and never get the support they ludicrously "DEMAND" - or any chance of the true agenda - a Magpies return to the top grade!!!!!

You mention Tedesco - but he is yet to play FG and aside from Bryce and Rowdy - we have had few Macarthur originated players make it (Fulton from Parra as was Halatau so neither should be claimed)!

Collis, Gallant, McDonnell ad infinitum were also gun Magpies juniors but failed to live up to the Leumeah hype!! Plus Balmain are happy to claim he likes of Woods, Sironen, Simona, Harrison etc - so we hold ourn own!

So despite the population growth and RL participation - why does anyone think that it is inevitable that the Macarthur is the future for the club???

Until that area starts generating some money for the club and has overwhelming appeal to our major sponsors - they can just wish (and make stupid "demands")!!!!

PS - I always said that we had a very good operator in Mr Humphreys and are the envy of clubs who have/had the likes of Osborne, Don Furner Jr, Irvine, Richardson etc as CEO!

We have the second biggest junior area in the competition. To walk away from it or to neglect is just plain stupid. The Roosters and Bulldogs have already tried to sneak in so they obviously see the value in it so why can't we? . FTR i'm not in favour of the rally. There are better ways to voice your concerns. I don't care about rally's, all i'm interested in is that the Wests Tigers put effort into the Liverpool/Macarthur area and make it their own, and the last couple of weeks have been a step in the right direction. I don't see whats wrong with that

The junior league in the south west is excellent. To walk away would be stupid, agreed.

However the importance of a junior league is over rated, all clubs have numerous pathways to their club, and you need to.

The important factors for determining where you play are commercial viability. You have to be located in an area that will drive sponsorship, fan base and corporate support. Campbelltown, altho having a number of industrial, manufacturing and retail business have far less corporate and commercial style businesses that have far higher prospensity to spend cash on sponsorship and advertising.

I think our set up we ahave now is excellent, we have a connection to campbelltown, which as a high population base (potential fan base) and a level of potential commercial support, but we also have a base closer to the city which is of greater appeal to many corporates.

If campbelltown grows and develops a more thriving economy it may become more viable to base there.

It is important to note that the Manly, Melbourne, Easts and Canterbury who have been very strong clubs for the last decade or so with very limited junior bases.

 

[Chunk]

"Wests Magpies will determine what’s best for their club."
Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys.

Was it the Magpies choice to allocated all of Wests Tigers top 25 to Balmain?

Was it the Magpies choice to allocated the remaining U20's and Fringe players to a Concord Burwood Bundy cup side?

Was it the Magpies choice to be given none of the local kids on Wests Tigers contracts?

Was it the the Magpies choice when the Wests Tigers took OUR training equipment, ice machine and freezer?

Was it the Magpies choice to not be allowed to play before the Wests Tigers matches at Campbelltown?

Was it the Magpies choice to not allow a Group 6 board member onto our board?

Was it the Magpies choice to have all support cut off from the Wests Tigers?

NO.

It was the Wests Tigers choice that forces what has been happening to the Magpies!

It was the Wests Tigers choice rejecting our offer to be the sole NSW Cup feeder team.

It was the Wests Tigers choice to make the Magpies on the sleeve smaller and remove it from the shoulder to the cuff.

It was the Wests Tigers choice to reduce the number of NRL games at Campbelltown from 6 to 4

It was the Wests Tigers choice to not fight the moving of the Magpies heritage match away from the SCG

It was the Wests Tigers choice to affiliate with the Wests Junior League and then failing to keep them under control

It was the Wests Tigers choice that has pressured Wests Ashfield to cut away the Magpies NSW Cup side.

So don't you dare try and tell us its our choice what happens to the Magpies whilst it is the Wests Tigers choices pulling all the strings.

Yes….

Yes it was when the Tigers and Wests decided to make the JV.

Its about whats best for the Wests Tigers and not the Magpies, wake up brother, move on.

50/50 . I haven't seen anything that isn't 50/50 and not whats best for the Wests Tigers. If its about promoting the Tigers brand than so what, its best for the Wests Tigers, one State Cup side so what etc

We are saving money to put into the juniorsFlegg & Ball and Junior League. That is the Wests Tigers strength.

Thank god there aren't too many of you type around to hold the Wests Tigers back.

Use your passion for the long tough road ahead thats the success and survival of then Wests Tigers in the NRL.

Its got nothing to do with the Wests Tigers that the Magpies are dieing, its the ineptued of the blokes who have been running the joint for the past thirty years, blame them.

If you had a Magpies Jersey on this would be you and the horse a dead Magpie :deadhorse:

 

[tonyc]

hey chunk … it's not 50/50

 

[Chunk]

hey chunk … it's not 50/50

Whats not 50/50?

4 games at each ground

One State Cup team

Promotion of the Tiger because its marketable

All equal

And what hasn't been done in the best interest of the Wests Tigers?

Some Wests supporters just can't let the past go, thankfully it won't damage the Wests Tigers to much.

 

[magpiecol]

Where will the most juniors come from? Macarthur or Balmain?

You would have to be a moron not to know the answer to that one.

I watched Fulton play front row for the Wests Magpies junior teams. He is a Wests Junior period.

 

[wtfl1981]

@chunk - is it 50/50 when it comes to:

Equal Contribution of balmain leagues vs ashfield/campbelltown to jv?

Equal contribution of balmain vs ctown juniors to jv?

8 games in inner city/inner west vs 4 at ctown

Lack of any 'visual identity' of the original wests brand (wiped out by a dominant tigers brand) and that doesnt mean the tiny magpie on the cuff

A single NSW cup team = end of magpies identity at senior level yet tiger lives on. Think of how some feel who have supported magpies for decades. Even the jets, bears and now steelers get to live on at senior level.

If the above mentioned were a more 50/50 then a 80/20 then the 'vocal diehards' would be much quieter and content.

Easier for some to say 'move on' when some fail to recognise the other side of the jv in the team we all follow in WT
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[benji_6]

I really admire the Magpies supporters passion. Sometimes I think they are over top but thats their pride, passion and love for their club.

As an old Balmain supporter I feel my club ended in 99 and my new club became Wests Tigers. I have 3 kids (oldest being 7) and Wests Tigers is all they know! I have never gone to watch a game of NSW cup in my life and probably wont.

Kids in the Macarthur region should be striving to become a West Tiger. Not a magpie. There is no future or a career there for them.

What really annoys me in this arguement is when the diehards continue saying that Wests Tigers are an inner city club and they get 8 home games a season and Campbelltown only gets 4\. What a load of crap. The club takes 4 games to the SFS for financial guarantee. The games we play at SFS are generally dragons, roosters, souths and either canterbury or parramatta. Im sure the SFS trust have a say in what games are played there. Just like the way we must play our home finals there if we finish top 4\. I dont have a problem with this.

So for me the way forward and financial reasons more than likely push this.

Balmain and Western Suburbs to have teams in Harold Matthews, SG Ball and Jersey Flegg. (not sure if this still exists)

Balmain and Western Suburbs to field teams in Bundy Cup (or equivalent competition) All of these teams would then become feeder clubs to the Wests Tigers Toyota Cup, NSW Cup and 1st Grade teams.

 

[wtfl1981]

Benji - appreciate your comments. Its not about aspiring to be a magpie its about the magpies living on (as the other foundation clubs still do) under the WT umbrella. That includes juniors > NRL. Rugby league in campbelltown needs a good overhaul. Its a mess and this is not a healthy mix for WT. WT is the only club who has been unable to settle on a nsw cup feeding structure. Yes nsw cup may be a 2nd class comp but its purpose is to serve fringe nrl players over 20yo. Magpies are in a position to fund (at no burden to WT) and operate a nsw cup team where BRET is not in the same position to do so (will be funded and operated under WT but branded as BRET for 2012). Simple question last year was why cant the magpie brand stay alive and be the sole feeder side to WT? Not a big ask. Souths are fed by norths, parra by wenty, penrith by windsor wolves, roosters by jets. Storm and sharks are fed by the one team etc etc. The powers to be in WT dont want to take that option and that was has upset some of the magpie diehards. Part of these decisions has been due to wests leagues ctown voting with balmain on jv matters and leagues and Ashfield leagues not getting along. There is a lot to the story and there will always be politics when there are so many stakeholders in WT.
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[Guest]

Benji - appreciate your comments. Its not about aspiring to be a magpie its about the magpies living on (as the other foundation clubs still do) under the WT umbrella. That includes juniors NRL. Rugby league in campbelltown needs a good overhaul. Its a mess and this is not a healthy mix for WT. WT is the only club who has been unable to settle on a nsw cup feeding structure. Yes nsw cup may be a 2nd class comp but its purpose is to serve fringe nrl players over 20yo. Magpies are in a position to fund (at no burden to WT) and operate a nsw cup team where BRET is not in the same position to do so (will be funded and operated under WT but branded as BRET for 2012). Simple question last year was why cant the magpie brand stay alive and be the sole feeder side to WT? Not a big ask. Souths are fed by norths, parra by wenty, penrith by windsor wolves, roosters by jets. Storm and sharks are fed by the one team etc etc. The powers to be in WT dont want to take that option and that was has upset some of the magpie diehards. Part of these decisions has been due to wests leagues ctown voting with balmain on jv matters and leagues and Ashfield leagues not getting along. There is a lot to the story and there will always be politics when there are so many stakeholders in WT.
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Just on the State Cup issue though, the Wests Tigers wish to merge the two teams and call them the Wests Tigers, which is fair enough IMO. They're not trying to call them Balmain. As you say, the political in-fighting among the various Wests leagues clubs has not helped the situation on Wests behalf, but the majority of fans I daresay would be happy to have one joint-venture state cup team to follow. Good luck to the minority who wish to keep Wests alive, but moving forward for the future, a Wests Tigers branded state cup side would appear, and I suspect, will be the way things pan out. The costs involved in running a successful State Cup side will probably dictate it to an extent.

 

[BenjiRules]

Benji - appreciate your comments. Its not about aspiring to be a magpie its about the magpies living on (as the other foundation clubs still do) under the WT umbrella. That includes juniors NRL. Rugby league in campbelltown needs a good overhaul. Its a mess and this is not a healthy mix for WT. WT is the only club who has been unable to settle on a nsw cup feeding structure. Yes nsw cup may be a 2nd class comp but its purpose is to serve fringe nrl players over 20yo. Magpies are in a position to fund (at no burden to WT) and operate a nsw cup team where BRET is not in the same position to do so (will be funded and operated under WT but branded as BRET for 2012). Simple question last year was why cant the magpie brand stay alive and be the sole feeder side to WT? Not a big ask. Souths are fed by norths, parra by wenty, penrith by windsor wolves, roosters by jets. Storm and sharks are fed by the one team etc etc. The powers to be in WT dont want to take that option and that was has upset some of the magpie diehards. Part of these decisions has been due to wests leagues ctown voting with balmain on jv matters and leagues and Ashfield leagues not getting along. There is a lot to the story and there will always be politics when there are so many stakeholders in WT.
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Could you clarify that post! My understanding was that Wests Ashfield withdrew your funding, according to an article posted on this site. The magpies aren\'t in a position to fund a state cup side if your leagues club won\'t give you any money!

What does this have to do with Balmain\'s ability to fund a state cup side?

 

[wtfl1981]

Willow - i personally realise that from 2013 WT would most likely have one nsw cup team (based on ashfield's supporting statement) playing in alternate strips and perhaps alternating home grounds… This should be a happy medium for most diehards. Although i dont see a problem with the original suggestion of magpies being sole feeder but thats not something all supporters can control. I just want to ensure WT look after the campbelltown area from top to bottom (including the 4 games topic) and ensure that the original wests/fibro identity is not lost for ever.
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[wtfl1981]

@benjirules - balmain fc are unable to fund a nsw cup team (mainly due to lack of leagues club). Ashfield has always kept supporting the magpies nsw cup. The push for one nsw cup team from WT board and Campbelltown not supporting a magpies nsw cup had put ashfield in a point were they needed to decide on what to support (being a stakeholder of WT). The continuation of a magpies sole feeder nsw cup team been supported by ashfield as it would be part of the WT umbrella. The situation for 2012 will be that ashfield will support a magpies team and indirectly fund BRET via WT. campbelltown will also indirectly be funding BRET in 2012.
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[happy_tiger]

The point would be if the IC decides to rule that each club fields a reserve grade side as has been widely been mentioned may happen that the Wests Tigers won't have a choice

The side will have to be fielded under the Wests Tigers banner

 

[Balmain_Bug]

Just on the State Cup issue though, the Wests Tigers wish to merge the two teams and call them the Wests Tigers, which is fair enough IMO. They're not trying to call them Balmain. As you say, the political in-fighting among the various Wests leagues clubs has not helped the situation on Wests behalf, but the majority of fans I daresay would be happy to have one joint-venture state cup team to follow. Good luck to the minority who wish to keep Wests alive, but moving forward for the future, a Wests Tigers branded state cup side would appear, and I suspect, will be the way things pan out. The costs involved in running a successful State Cup side will probably dictate it to an extent.

Willow, just a few points that I think you have wrong, the sole feeder club in 2012 IS called Balmain. That was the choice of Wests Tigers. There is no infighting between the Wests Leagues clubs at all, they in fact are all on the same page. Balmain have not yet agreed to be called Wests Tigers in 2013 as two board members are against it.
Wests Ashfield have agreed to be called WT in principle, Wests Campbelltown have agreed, and the Chairman of Wests Magpies Mick Lubinskas supports on team called WT in 2013.

So please don't point the finger at the 'other' side of the Joint venture.

 

[Guest]

Just on the State Cup issue though, the Wests Tigers wish to merge the two teams and call them the Wests Tigers, which is fair enough IMO. They're not trying to call them Balmain. As you say, the political in-fighting among the various Wests leagues clubs has not helped the situation on Wests behalf, but the majority of fans I daresay would be happy to have one joint-venture state cup team to follow. Good luck to the minority who wish to keep Wests alive, but moving forward for the future, a Wests Tigers branded state cup side would appear, and I suspect, will be the way things pan out. The costs involved in running a successful State Cup side will probably dictate it to an extent.

Willow, just a few points that I think you have wrong, the sole feeder club in 2012 IS called Balmain. That was the choice of Wests Tigers. There is no infighting between the Wests Leagues clubs at all, they in fact are all on the same page. Balmain have not yet agreed to be called Wests Tigers in 2013 as two board members are against it.
Wests Ashfield have agreed to be called WT in principle, Wests Campbelltown have agreed, and the Chairman of Wests Magpies Mick Lubinskas supports on team called WT in 2013.

So please don't point the finger at the 'other' side of the Joint venture.

If that's the case Bug then so be it, I'm not here to argue, you're the expert on this subject matter.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

The issue on the Wests Magpies footy club side is a board member or two, and most of the Magpies State cup fans and Campbelltown rugby league community are against it.

 

[Guest]

The issue on the Wests Magpies footy club side is a board member or two, and most of the Magpies State cup fans and Campbelltown rugby league community are against it.

Did the rally today help their cause against this?

 

[Blackandwhite]

There is no infighting between the Wests Leagues clubs at all, they in fact are all on the same page. Balmain have not yet agreed to be called Wests Tigers in 2013 as two board members are against it.
Wests Campbelltown have agreed, and the Chairman of Wests Magpies Mick Lubinskas supports on team called WT in 2013.

Its great to see Wests Tigers taking more positive steps with Wests Ashfield being called Wests Tigers and Wests Campbelltown also agreeing to be called Wests Tigers for 2013.

And if Balmain NSW cup team do not agree to be called Wests Tigers in 2013 then they become the bad guys.