Tigers confirm Marshall won't be at club in 2021

[Russell]

I find it hilarious Benji's ordinary defence is being blamed on the centre and winger. Don't they play wider?

Actually I would say it is the other way around.

 

[weststigerman]

I find it hilarious Benji's ordinary defence is being blamed on the centre and winger. Don't they play wider?

Actually I would say it is the other way around.

Agreed

 

[happy_tiger]

Without Benji, we would not have scored one try against the Panthers. Against Newcastle he let 2 tries in. One was against Ponga 1 on 1. Dont know too many halves who would have done much better. The other was against a giant forward 1 on 1.
Unfortunately for Benji, he is in a side where his team mates do not give much assistance in defence. Plenty of halves in other teams are just as bad but are hidden or more protected by their team mates.
Anybody who watched the Knights against the Warriors will have seen Pearce miss 2 tackles that conceded 12 points. I did not see his name all over the papers. I bet he is not been persecuted on their forums. Yes Benji's defence is bad when he is left out to dry. And I also believe its time to retire. But the constant bashing of one of our former greats is getting boring.

I dont think having a discussion about Benji and why he wont be with us next is bashing him,most are merely pointing out his flaws in defense that Madge is very meticulous about,he structures his gameplans on defense...Benji is great in attack,but he lets himself and the team down when it comes to defense..

It is pretty obvious to me, others may disagree, that Benji would be here next year if Reynolds was gone. Benji has a difficult assignment with the right side from winger in being poor defenders. At a club with stronger defence, he would have a minder and be effective.

So it's BJ and Nofo's fault Benji can't tackle? That'll do me.



Nofoaluma and Leilua are weak defenders. If you want to dispute that I won't bother wasting my time replying.

Marshall is a half with a history of major shoulder injuries. Due to this, his defence will not be as strong as other players.

Having three weak defenders situated on the right courses problems in defence.

If Benji had a minder similar to the role Ellis or Carroll played in protecting halves, his defence would not be such as problem.

This is not the case as we don't have this player at the Club.

You'll get no argument that they are poor defenders, but Benji is worse than poor.

But Benji has good reason with his previous injuries. It's not ideal and could be better. If Gareth Ellis was playing it wouldn't be an issue.

So Benji can have excuses but others can't ...they could all argue something in that case ...well they probably do

I'm too slow
I'm too old
The sun was in my eyes (night game )
The dog ate my homework
I have some eggshell in my foot
I live with Geo
We didn't have to tackle at the dogs
Defence is against my religion
I'm a decoy runner
I wasn't in beast mode

 

[fibrodreaming]

Having three weak defenders situated on the right courses problems in defence.
If Benji had a minder similar to the role Ellis or Carroll played in protecting halves, his defence would not be such as problem.

Actually Paws I think Benji's defensive problems don't start on his outside, they start his inside, in the middle of the field.

When our middle starts to collapse, which is a common occurrence, Garner (or whichever back rower is on our right) gets sucked in to shore up the middle, leaving Benji exposed.

Poor old Benji is too often isolated in defence and is required to pull of one on one tackles. If he were playing behind a better pack, he would not be isolated so often, and his defensive deficiencies would not be so obvious.

 

[hobbo1]

I find it hilarious Benji's ordinary defence is being blamed on the centre and winger. Don't they play wider?

Benji usual starts the rot by coming up to quick
BJ is a dope who panics with no sense of direction
Which leaves Nofo chasing fairies

 

[hsvjones]

I think we need a Phil Gould type, or Bennet, or Sheens even. I don't even trust Madge to be responsible. Need a brilliant manager involved overseeing coaching, players and staff.

I know its hard but I would recommend you trust the process of what Madge is working towards.
With all the salary cap problems he has come into he has done the right thing by the club.

* He has first given the current players a chance to prove themselves and show they are mentally strong enough to continue with moving forward

* He has accepted we have little money and not able to buy the proven match winners we need so invested heavily into Juniors as they don't cost as much - Get a few diamond in the rough players as they say.

* Always sticks up for the current players and club regardless if he thinks they are not up to it. Great Leadership

* Now that we are coming to a position where we need to move certain players on he is making the hard decisions that need to be made. All the players can play footy and can string a few good games together (as shown in the first 6-8 rounds) but to be a premiership winning team you need them playing good **consistently** and that's what most of our players lack.

Madge has come through the Belly system and knows how to build a club up from the bottom up (not many can). He has won 2 Premierships (NRL, ESL), Current NZ coach so knows what is expected. If in say 2 years we have not improved then its a different story as he will have had his hands over most the squad chosen. He said it perfectly today in his Press conference - To succeed you have to work hard, and if your not prepared to work hard you are not ready to succeed. (Worth a listen if not done so already - 10 mins )

For me I love the fact we are moving on players that won't get us to where we need to be and can honestly see a good change happening. 9 Years of no finals is no coincidence..

I know you love Benji but to have a team we can be proud of and enjoy watching finals football he is **1 of a few** that needs to be moved on..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Having three weak defenders situated on the right courses problems in defence.
If Benji had a minder similar to the role Ellis or Carroll played in protecting halves, his defence would not be such as problem.

Actually Paws I think Benji's defensive problems don't start on his outside, they start his inside, in the middle of the field.

When our middle starts to collapse, which is a common occurrence, Garner (or whichever back rower is on our right) gets sucked in to shore up the middle, leaving Benji exposed.

Poor old Benji is too often isolated in defence and is required to pull of one on one tackles. If he were playing behind a better pack, he would not be isolated so often, and his defensive deficiencies would not be so obvious.

Good post. We just don't have the quality to of player to fully support him.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Having three weak defenders situated on the right courses problems in defence.
If Benji had a minder similar to the role Ellis or Carroll played in protecting halves, his defence would not be such as problem.

Actually Paws I think Benji's defensive problems don't start on his outside, they start his inside, in the middle of the field.

When our middle starts to collapse, which is a common occurrence, Garner (or whichever back rower is on our right) gets sucked in to shore up the middle, leaving Benji exposed.

Poor old Benji is too often isolated in defence and is required to pull of one on one tackles. If he were playing behind a better pack, he would not be isolated so often, and his defensive deficiencies would not be so obvious.

This
Lazy forwards not getting in position quick enough. All the top middles work hard to get in position for the next play

 

[gallagher]

I find it hilarious Benji's ordinary defence is being blamed on the centre and winger. Don't they play wider?

Benji usual starts the rot by coming up to quick
BJ is a dope who panics with no sense of direction
Which leaves Nofo chasing fairies

Is BJ disguised swearing?:eggplant:

 

[hobbo1]

I find it hilarious Benji's ordinary defence is being blamed on the centre and winger. Don't they play wider?

Benji usual starts the rot by coming up to quick
BJ is a dope who panics with no sense of direction
Which leaves Nofo chasing fairies

Is BJ disguised swearing?:eggplant:

Yes
Big Joey

 

[hobbo1]

Having three weak defenders situated on the right courses problems in defence.
If Benji had a minder similar to the role Ellis or Carroll played in protecting halves, his defence would not be such as problem.

Actually Paws I think Benji's defensive problems don't start on his outside, they start his inside, in the middle of the field.

When our middle starts to collapse, which is a common occurrence, Garner (or whichever back rower is on our right) gets sucked in to shore up the middle, leaving Benji exposed.

Poor old Benji is too often isolated in defence and is required to pull of one on one tackles. If he were playing behind a better pack, he would not be isolated so often, and his defensive deficiencies would not be so obvious.

Good post. We just don't have the quality to of player to fully support him.

Madge needs a production line of universal soldiers

 

[ElleryHanley]

“As a club we’ve been underperforming. I could put probably all of us in that bracket, maybe bar David Nofoaluma,” Marshall said.

A bit rich coming from Benji....he should take ownership as the supposed leader.

Josh Aloai
Big LL
Harry Grant
Have not underperformed at all.

And ET, Huth and co have all performed as best they can.

It all starts and ends with the the halves and senior players. Other teams have vets who take ownership. I saw OKC lose yesterday in the NBA and Chris Paul took it all on himself.

Benji has never worked that out.

Hopefully we unearth an actual leader from somewhere...

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I can't but think Benji deserves better than this. He has been the driving force in our attack this year and even when dropped he said nothing, just got on with it and fought his way back. As far as his defensive issues go, I'm never going to argue there aren't issues there but surrounding him with Garner and BJ isn't helpful
We let Koirobete and JAC go for their defensive frailties, sometimes you can cop them for what they bring in other areas
There's always been a lynching party in here for Nofo for his defensive issues but it seems to have dropped off this season
It's not Benji's fault no one can grab his spot, we dont pay him much, yet he's the problem?
There are lots of other issues we have with our team far above Benji, plus don't underestimate the damage this does inside the team and with Tigers fans
I'd ask the club to reconsider the decision and keep Benji, I think it's a very bad call

 

[Madge]

I can't but think Benji deserves better than this. He has been the driving force in our attack this year and even when dropped he said nothing, just got on with it and fought his way back. As far as his defensive issues go, I'm never going to argue there aren't issues there but surrounding him with Garner and BJ isn't helpful
We let Koirobete and JAC go for their defensive frailties, sometimes you can cop them for what they bring in other areas
There's always been a lynching party in here for Nofo for his defensive issues but it seems to have dropped off this season
It's not Benji's fault no one can grab his spot, we dont pay him much, yet he's the problem?
There are lots of other issues we have with our team far above Benji, plus don't underestimate the damage this does inside the team and with Tigers fans
I'd ask the club to reconsider the decision and keep Benji, I think it's a very bad call

Benji is 35, Koro and JAC where at the start of the careers, completely different contexts which you have to take into account.

 

[hsvjones]

I can't but think Benji deserves better than this. He has been the driving force in our attack this year and even when dropped he said nothing, just got on with it and fought his way back. As far as his defensive issues go, I'm never going to argue there aren't issues there but surrounding him with Garner and BJ isn't helpful
We let Koirobete and JAC go for their defensive frailties, sometimes you can cop them for what they bring in other areas
There's always been a lynching party in here for Nofo for his defensive issues but it seems to have dropped off this season
It's not Benji's fault no one can grab his spot, we dont pay him much, yet he's the problem?
There are lots of other issues we have with our team far above Benji, plus don't underestimate the damage this does inside the team and with Tigers fans
I'd ask the club to reconsider the decision and keep Benji, I think it's a very bad call

People just don't get it.... There is this thing called a Salary Cap and you can only have so many players inside this...
We currently have 6 players **under contract** next year without Benji that play in the halves and if you add Benji that's 7 out of your squad numbers.. It is just bad management to have 25% of your squad in the halves. I truly believe if we could of offloaded a Reynolds or Mbye we would of left the decision up to Benji and happily had him play on. But reality is we needed to make a decision and our hand was forced. Benji is not on big money but when you cap is like it is his 200-300k will go a long way in us getting a JAC or Tamou etc..
He is a club legend but also remember he left Tigers as well so he is not a 1 club player. It was only 2 years ago Benji himself said he was grateful to the club for giving him another shot instead of retirement. I'd be surprised if he even gets a contract with another NRL club as they know his weakness and won't be prepared to suffer in defence.
So deep down if you take away all your personal feelings and base the decisions on whats best for the club moving forward it is a NO brainer.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I don't think you should take emotion out of any decisions, if you do you can just let a computer run things. I'm pretty sure he only left first time around after the club or Humphreys reneged on a deal previously offered. We are a worse team in attack as we stand without him, so whilst I respect all views, it's not a no brainer

 

[jadtiger]

I don't think you should take emotion out of any decisions, if you do you can just let a computer run things. I'm pretty sure he only left first time around after the club or Humphreys reneged on a deal previously offered. We are a worse team in attack as we stand without him, so whilst I respect all views, it's not a no brainer

His behaviour when he left was reprehensible,parading around in another codes jumper while still under contract to us.He was lucky we took him back because no other club was interested.He was a great player at his best but that has long since gone and is now a complete liability in defence and disrupts our attack.

 

[Furious1]

Anyone see his interview after the game last night?

 

[hobbo1]

Anyone see his interview after the game last night?

Yes
He came across as a broken man

 

[jrtiger]

Anyone see his interview after the game last night?

Yes
He came across as a broken man

I've been a broken man since September 2011.