Tigers Deep Dive of the Week

Is there interest in doing a weekly "Deep Dive" to promote focussed discussion between games?

  • Yes, I would be happy develop a topic or two to get the ball rolling

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Yes, I would be happy to participate but not lead a topic

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • I am not likely to contribute; however, I would be interested in learning from the discussion

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Would prefer to watch paint dry

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

PART 3​

The High-Leverage Defensive Exposure​

This brings us to the real problem, and it's the exact reason why the forum debates get so heated. Standard match stats credit Doueihi with a low missed-tackle count at halfback at 1.8 per game. On paper, that looks mathematically sound against the competition halfback median of 2.5 missed tackles.

But raw tackle volumes completely lie because they ignore spatial context. Standard tracking treats a missed tackle on the opposition's 40-metre line exactly the same as a missed tackle on our own goal line and a rush out of the line does not get recorded. To see where the line is actually fracturing, we have to look at Try Causes and Line Break Causes, which track direct culpability for defensive failures.

While Doueihi doesn't miss a high volume of tackles, his misses create opposition points. Conceding 1.3 line breaks and 0.8 try causes per game at halfback is a massive issue. It means when he does make an error or makes a poor read, it is catastrophic. His heavy frame is clearly struggling to make the rapid lateral adjustments required to defend as an agile edge half.

We saw this play out in real time over our recent three-match window against the Knights, Dragons, and Warriors, where our poor defensive efforts were only exceeded by our inability to create points.

Round 17 vs. Newcastle Knights (Lost 12-6): Doueihi let in 1 Try and allowed 1 Line Break; Luai had 1 Line Break Cause. A low missed-tackle baseline hid critical edge deficiencies.

Round 18 vs. St. George Illawarra Dragons (Lost 24-10): Doueihi let in 1 Try and allowed 2 Line Breaks, while Madden (playing the 7 role) let in 1 Try and allowed a Line Break. Madden kicked well (358m), but both playmakers bit on fatal, panic-driven defensive jams.

Round 19 vs. New Zealand Warriors (Lost 32-6): Doueihi let in 2 Tries and caused 2 Line Breaks; Luai also leaked 2 Tres and allowed 3 Line Breaks. This was a total defensive system collapse. While Doueihi gained 141.0 run metres, his 2 Try Causes and the allowed Line Breaks were the result of extremely poor defensive execution.

Tactical Solution: Moving AD to Lock (13)​

So, how do we fix the leak on the edge without losing our best yardage asset? Benji has to seriously consider transitioning AD permanently to Lock (13). Shifting Doueihi into the middle leverages his physical attributes while insulating his defensive weaknesses:

Neutralising the Lateral Edge Deficit: On the edge, halves are forced to jockey, slide, and make rapid tracking reads against agile outside backs. Moving Doueihi to 13 repositions him into the high-volume middle channel. In and around the ruck, defence relies on front-on contact, wrestling, and filling space. Doueihi's physical build and solid base would allow him to survive in a central defensive system where lateral movement is minimised.

Weaponising His Attack: At lock, Doueihi’s 135 run metres per game would become a powerful asset in the forward rotation. Taking hit-ups through the middle of the field would ease the burden on our starting prop rotation and generate the quick play-the-balls necessary to unlock our spine and could release Twal into the middle rotation as a benefit.

Introducing a Three-Pillar Ball-Playing Model: Moving to the 13 jersey wouldn't kill his creative efforts. A ball-playing 13 acts as a link, playing before the line and engaging middle defenders. This opens up the field, freeing up Luai and Latu to attack compressed defensive edges with our outside backs.

Tactical Timing: Pull the Trigger Now or Wait?​

The critical question facing Benji Marshall is whether to transition AD to lock and elevate Latu Fainu to the halves immediately, or wait until the off-season. Given that the team has scored a meager total of just 22 points across the last three weeks, our current offensive strategy has clearly stalled. When you pair that lack of points with our current defensive fragility, evidenced by the halves conceding nine combined line break causes in those same 240 minutes, maintaining the status quo is no longer viable.

While some may argue for a patient off-season reset, making this change right now provides an immediate tactical spark. Rather than writing off the remaining rounds, altering the spine dynamic immediately serves a dual purpose: it offers a high-leverage circuit breaker that could mathematically ignite a late, desperate run to the finals, and it gives the coaching staff real-match data to stress-test this combination under genuine pressure ahead of next year.

Conclusion​

Stripping away personal bias and examining the hard tracking data reveals that our halves configuration is caught in a strategic trap. Adam Doueihi’s elite individual carrying metrics (+114.3% run metres at halfback) are undeniable, but they are completely offset by his defensive fragility (+166.7% try causes) and a major long-kicking deficit.

While throwing Latu Fainu into the mix doesn't instantly solve that long-kicking void, it forces a necessary shift: Jarome Luai must step up and take absolute ownership of the general kicking game. Transitioning Doueihi permanently to lock leverages his physical power through the middle third while masking his lateral defensive frailties on the edge. It also provides a third kicking option.

By introducing this ball-playing middle model alongside Luai and Fainu immediately, we can address our current point-scoring drought and defensive fragility. This data-backed adjustment offers the most logical pathway to salvage the current season and establish long-term structural stability.
Love your analysis of everything however I can't see how shifting Doueihi into the middle is the answer, opposition middles would be licking their lips at the prospect of having a bloke that won't tackle in the middle. Doesn't have the motor to be a middle either so even if he could handle the washing machine of the middle defence it would nullify his running game. I get where you're coming from, I used to think he'd make a great modern day lock but the more I see of him the less I think he's suited to that. It's a bloody conundrum I know that much. Cheers
 
Love your analysis of everything however I can't see how shifting Doueihi into the middle is the answer, opposition middles would be licking their lips at the prospect of having a bloke that won't tackle in the middle. Doesn't have the motor to be a middle either so even if he could handle the washing machine of the middle defence it would nullify his running game. I get where you're coming from, I used to think he'd make a great modern day lock but the more I see of him the less I think he's suited to that. It's a bloody conundrum I know that much. Cheers
I understand the reluctance but I expect that his defensive frailty is based on his ability to react and poor decision making whereas in the middle there is less risk; however, he needs to buikd into it over the off season. I expect, in the short term, that in tandem with Twally he could handle it, bit of coure would be targetted.

I would see him palaying as a link as opposed to taking on the middles- a bit more like Wade Graham than Yeo. It is a gamble but we are at that end of the season where we need to take one if we want to be a chance and if it fails we know we need to buy in a 13.

Rob Bechara has been saying all year that AD is an elite 7 - but the stats don't support it. The stats on one side of the pill do - but what he was doing well with ball in hand, that has completley dried up, does not make up for his defensive deficiencies.

I think our season is all but cooked as it is - so we can keep trying the same thing or change it up and try to make a run for the finals!
 
I understand the reluctance but I expect that his defensive frailty is based on his ability to react and poor decision making whereas in the middle there is less risk; however, he needs to buikd into it over the off season. I expect, in the short term, that in tandem with Twally he could handle it, bit of coure would be targetted.

I would see him palaying as a link as opposed to taking on the middles- a bit more like Wade Graham than Yeo. It is a gamble but we are at that end of the season where we need to take one if we want to be a chance and if it fails we know we need to buy in a 13.

Rob Bechara has been saying all year that AD is an elite 7 - but the stats don't support it. The stats on one side of the pill do - but what he was doing well with ball in hand, that has completley dried up, does not make up for his defensive deficiencies.

I think our season is all but cooked as it is - so we can keep trying the same thing or change it up and try to make a run for the finals!
Yeah I've thought the same thing but can you afford to have him off the bench plus a replacement for Api, whose days as an 80 min hooker are over. You're right though now is the for experiments. I'd love it to work it would solve a lot of issues as far as the team goes.
 
Great analysis as usual Jolls. I believe AD has the physical traits to do well at 13 and could well be a revelation. Most of his misses are due to poor lateral movement and this will be less of an issue in the middle. He has above average run meters because he runs way too often and does not utilize his outside men.
 
Great analysis as usual Jolls. I believe AD has the physical traits to do well at 13 and could well be a revelation. Most of his misses are due to poor lateral movement and this will be less of an issue in the middle. He has above average run meters because he runs way too often and does not utilize his outside men.
I didn't want to go there with the analysis because that would be some of my own bias influencing it. The other one is that he is very sideways in his movements which runs payers out of room often. We need to find somewhere for him in the side but for mine he isn't a good fit at 7 despite the praise he has been getting from many.
 
Yeah I've thought the same thing but can you afford to have him off the bench plus a replacement for Api, whose days as an 80 min hooker are over. You're right though now is the for experiments. I'd love it to work it would solve a lot of issues as far as the team goes.
I just wonder how much thought Benji has put into our run home- I'm sure he has done a lot - but I'm not sure if he has experimenting with his halves combination high on his list this deep into the season. It would be a stark change from what we have seen to date, particulary with the way he has used Latu.

While I don't expect to see much change; the opportunity is there. If it was to come off it would be a master stroke, but if it did not there would be more pundits screaming about how he can't coach.
 
I just wonder how much thought Benji has put into our run home- I'm sure he has done a lot - but I'm not sure if he has experimenting with his halves combination high on his list this deep into the season. It would be a stark change from what we have seen to date, particulary with the way he has used Latu.

While I don't expect to see much change; the opportunity is there. If it was to come off it would be a master stroke, but if it did not there would be more pundits screaming about how he can't coach.
True.
 

PART 3​

The High-Leverage Defensive Exposure​

This brings us to the real problem, and it's the exact reason why the forum debates get so heated. Standard match stats credit Doueihi with a low missed-tackle count at halfback at 1.8 per game. On paper, that looks mathematically sound against the competition halfback median of 2.5 missed tackles.

But raw tackle volumes completely lie because they ignore spatial context. Standard tracking treats a missed tackle on the opposition's 40-metre line exactly the same as a missed tackle on our own goal line and a rush out of the line does not get recorded. To see where the line is actually fracturing, we have to look at Try Causes and Line Break Causes, which track direct culpability for defensive failures.

While Doueihi doesn't miss a high volume of tackles, his misses create opposition points. Conceding 1.3 line breaks and 0.8 try causes per game at halfback is a massive issue. It means when he does make an error or makes a poor read, it is catastrophic. His heavy frame is clearly struggling to make the rapid lateral adjustments required to defend as an agile edge half.

We saw this play out in real time over our recent three-match window against the Knights, Dragons, and Warriors, where our poor defensive efforts were only exceeded by our inability to create points.

Round 17 vs. Newcastle Knights (Lost 12-6): Doueihi let in 1 Try and allowed 1 Line Break; Luai had 1 Line Break Cause. A low missed-tackle baseline hid critical edge deficiencies.

Round 18 vs. St. George Illawarra Dragons (Lost 24-10): Doueihi let in 1 Try and allowed 2 Line Breaks, while Madden (playing the 7 role) let in 1 Try and allowed a Line Break. Madden kicked well (358m), but both playmakers bit on fatal, panic-driven defensive jams.

Round 19 vs. New Zealand Warriors (Lost 32-6): Doueihi let in 2 Tries and caused 2 Line Breaks; Luai also leaked 2 Tres and allowed 3 Line Breaks. This was a total defensive system collapse. While Doueihi gained 141.0 run metres, his 2 Try Causes and the allowed Line Breaks were the result of extremely poor defensive execution.

Tactical Solution: Moving AD to Lock (13)​

So, how do we fix the leak on the edge without losing our best yardage asset? Benji has to seriously consider transitioning AD permanently to Lock (13). Shifting Doueihi into the middle leverages his physical attributes while insulating his defensive weaknesses:

Neutralising the Lateral Edge Deficit: On the edge, halves are forced to jockey, slide, and make rapid tracking reads against agile outside backs. Moving Doueihi to 13 repositions him into the high-volume middle channel. In and around the ruck, defence relies on front-on contact, wrestling, and filling space. Doueihi's physical build and solid base would allow him to survive in a central defensive system where lateral movement is minimised.

Weaponising His Attack: At lock, Doueihi’s 135 run metres per game would become a powerful asset in the forward rotation. Taking hit-ups through the middle of the field would ease the burden on our starting prop rotation and generate the quick play-the-balls necessary to unlock our spine and could release Twal into the middle rotation as a benefit.

Introducing a Three-Pillar Ball-Playing Model: Moving to the 13 jersey wouldn't kill his creative efforts. A ball-playing 13 acts as a link, playing before the line and engaging middle defenders. This opens up the field, freeing up Luai and Latu to attack compressed defensive edges with our outside backs.

Tactical Timing: Pull the Trigger Now or Wait?​

The critical question facing Benji Marshall is whether to transition AD to lock and elevate Latu Fainu to the halves immediately, or wait until the off-season. Given that the team has scored a meager total of just 22 points across the last three weeks, our current offensive strategy has clearly stalled. When you pair that lack of points with our current defensive fragility, evidenced by the halves conceding nine combined line break causes in those same 240 minutes, maintaining the status quo is no longer viable.

While some may argue for a patient off-season reset, making this change right now provides an immediate tactical spark. Rather than writing off the remaining rounds, altering the spine dynamic immediately serves a dual purpose: it offers a high-leverage circuit breaker that could mathematically ignite a late, desperate run to the finals, and it gives the coaching staff real-match data to stress-test this combination under genuine pressure ahead of next year.

Conclusion​

Stripping away personal bias and examining the hard tracking data reveals that our halves configuration is caught in a strategic trap. Adam Doueihi’s elite individual carrying metrics (+114.3% run metres at halfback) are undeniable, but they are completely offset by his defensive fragility (+166.7% try causes) and a major long-kicking deficit.

While throwing Latu Fainu into the mix doesn't instantly solve that long-kicking void, it forces a necessary shift: Jarome Luai must step up and take absolute ownership of the general kicking game. Transitioning Doueihi permanently to lock leverages his physical power through the middle third while masking his lateral defensive frailties on the edge. It also provides a third kicking option.

By introducing this ball-playing middle model alongside Luai and Fainu immediately, we can address our current point-scoring drought and defensive fragility. This data-backed adjustment offers the most logical pathway to salvage the current season and establish long-term structural stability.
Love your dedication and output.
I will say that if Latu comes in this year and ad moves to lock it allows him to have an experienced half in Luai outside him for a number of games. If he leaves status quo then thoughts may push for ad to stay at 7 to simply keep a experienced half beside him.
 
Love your dedication and output.
I will say that if Latu comes in this year and ad moves to lock it allows him to have an experienced half in Luai outside him for a number of games. If he leaves status quo then thoughts may push for ad to stay at 7 to simply keep a experienced half beside him.
My real concern is if Benji has already made a decision that AD will be the 7 in 2027 and he just sticks with it. We have the opportunity to experiment, with NRL level opposition, so I hope he gives it a crack. Surely if the stats are supporting what fans are picking up on the club knows that much and more. We will just have to see what happens as we progress - a win on the weekend will mean more of the same - a loss???
 
My real concern is if Benji has already made a decision that AD will be the 7 in 2027 and he just sticks with it. We have the opportunity to experiment, with NRL level opposition, so I hope he gives it a crack. Surely if the stats are supporting what fans are picking up on the club knows that much and more. We will just have to see what happens as we progress - a win on the weekend will mean more of the same - a loss???
Who knows what's in Benji's mind with this @Jolls .

I can only assume that he will want someone of seniority & experience in the halves which I why I think AD will be there in '27 with Latu. We all (well most of us lol) can see Latu & Javon together are a much better fit & complement to our edges than AD but just lack NRL experience in the halves.

Hopefully he starts to transition AD into that new-age ball-running lock, almost 2nd fullback type player. I can see that working if we have two all-effort defence-oriented props on at the same time (yes could well be Twal & Terrell), fast line-speed hookers (we have that in Api) & all-effort backrowers (we have that with Samuela & KPP) to cover for any shortcomings in AD's middle defence.
 
Who knows what's in Benji's mind with this @Jolls .

I can only assume that he will want someone of seniority & experience in the halves which I why I think AD will be there in '27 with Latu. We all (well most of us lol) can see Latu & Javon together are a much better fit & complement to our edges than AD but just lack NRL experience in the halves.

Hopefully he starts to transition AD into that new-age ball-running lock, almost 2nd fullback type player. I can see that working if we have two all-effort defence-oriented props on at the same time (yes could well be Twal & Terrell), fast line-speed hookers (we have that in Api) & all-effort backrowers (we have that with Samuela & KPP) to cover for any shortcomings in AD's middle defence.
We are clearly thinking along the same lines. The smokie out there, and it will really depend on this off season, is Schuster at 6 with Latu while Javon fills out some more. We have soe great options to work with. I get that Benji will be retiscent to chage his halves pairing, and I'm sure some of it has to do with showing belief in players through the tough time, but we have all but fallen over the edge for this season so it is time to see what the art of the possible is agaisnt NRL quality opposition.
 
As long as he is not broken beyond repair Schuster at anywhere near his best is a top 5 player in our squad. What will be interesting is seeing where they play him in Ron Massey and Cup. I don't doubt he will be training with the 1st grade squad in the pre season and he is tight with the Fainu family so i doubt the plan is he tries to take the 7 off Latu. If it happens i see Latu at 7 and Schuster at 6 feeding a rampaging Samuela Fainu/Taylan May on our left side with Big Mak eating his fill of meat pies on the left wing.....we can only dream.
 
We are clearly thinking along the same lines. The smokie out there, and it will really depend on this off season, is Schuster at 6 with Latu while Javon fills out some more. We have soe great options to work with. I get that Benji will be retiscent to chage his halves pairing, and I'm sure some of it has to do with showing belief in players through the tough time, but we have all but fallen over the edge for this season so it is time to see what the art of the possible is agaisnt NRL quality opposition.
I keep forgetting about Schuster in the background. Yes hopefully he can make a successful return this season in lower grades in his preferred 5/8 position. Latu & Schuster would be quite the pairing with their personal connection & undoubted skills. Interesting too that they have the same manager in Crown/Tartak.
 
I keep forgetting about Schuster in the background. Yes hopefully he can make a successful return this season in lower grades in his preferred 5/8 position. Latu & Schuster would be quite the pairing with their personal connection & undoubted skills. Interesting too that they have the same manager in Crown/Tartak.
The fact most fans forget he is in our system is a good thing...no pressure...and of it doesn't work...no expectation.
 
I just wonder how much thought Benji has put into our run home- I'm sure he has done a lot - but I'm not sure if he has experimenting with his halves combination high on his list this deep into the season. It would be a stark change from what we have seen to date, particulary with the way he has used Latu.

While I don't expect to see much change; the opportunity is there. If it was to come off it would be a master stroke, but if it did not there would be more pundits screaming about how he can't coach.
I wish Benji would do something to change up the halves instead of sticking with the same two guys, one of which has already checked out and the other who is not a creative 7, because 24 points scored in 3 matches is abysmal and needs to be addressed. It really bothers me that he is sticking to what currently not working for the team at all.
 
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