Tigers interested in RTS

[Danny Blanco]

No-one signs with the All Blacks FYI.

They sign with an NZ super (provincial) team and then hope to get a training camp call-up where the coaches would get a good look at them.

It's not a far-fetched idea that he ends up signing with Auckland Blues, given his played NZ schoolboys rugby and is originally from Auckland. Not far fetched he signs for us in 2019 either - we'll all find out in due course I suppose.

 

[colmcd]

If you think about it.
Using this as an example of the style of fullback of the 2 not comparing actual talent.
RTS is like Val Homes.
Tui is like Ben Barba.
Based on the style we’d use I think I’d prefer a Ben Barba type.
I bet the sharks are missing him too.

Id much rather a consistent player who keeps improving and can handle pressure such as Holmes over an erratic flash in the pan chocky soldier like Barba

I get what's being said. I think though Tui isn't exactly like Ben Barba, maybe more like Hodgson a little like Brett Stewart and I think their styles compliment.
He won't be scoring as many tries as Valentine Homes. But he will be helping to create the opportunities. Homes and RTS dive across the line themselves if they loose their speed or their team can't support them getting into position then they are in trouble.

I hope we keep Tui. I think he can be a decent fullback then a decent 5/8 in future. We need to be about the team, we need superstars but we need to get our team functional first. If we sign RTS, put him on the wing.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think it's actually 82% chance…

The plot thickens but is that 82% of him coming or not coming :wink:

50/50…

So 41% chance of him coming and going or is it 41% of him going and coming or 82% of neither happening

 

[teddy23]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

 

[Russell]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing - Yes me too Teddy23.

I mentioned in other threads the following.

RTS is not available until 2019 (probably never for us, that is ok though).

Tui is a recognised full back - saying he isn't doesn't make that correct.

He reads the play better than RTS.
He is a better full back defender than RTS.
Sets up his outside backs to score tries.
Does not hog the ball - Like Teddy and RTS.
His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable.
Didn't have any trouble keeping up with Teddy to score that try under the post.
On 2017 form he is a better proposition than RTS.
He is 100% fit (forget the shape).
Less than half the cost of RTS.

Weigh all that up and I'll stick with Tui thanks.

 

[Munk]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing - Yes me too Teddy23.

I mentioned in other threads the following.

RTS is not available until 2019 (probably never for us, that is ok though).

Tui is a recognised full back - saying he isn't doesn't make that correct.

He reads the play better than RTS.
He is a better full back defender than RTS.
Sets up his outside backs to score tries.
Does not hog the ball - Like Teddy and RTS.
His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable.
Didn't have any trouble keeping up with Teddy to score that try under the post.
On 2017 form he is a better proposition than RTS.
He is 100% fit (forget the shape).
Less than half the cost of RTS.

Weigh all that up and I'll stick with Tui thanks.

Written and spoken by Tui's mother lol…
RTS is twice the player. End of.

 

[Russell]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing - Yes me too Teddy23.

I mentioned in other threads the following.

RTS is not available until 2019 (probably never for us, that is ok though).

Tui is a recognised full back - saying he isn't doesn't make that correct.

He reads the play better than RTS.
He is a better full back defender than RTS.
Sets up his outside backs to score tries.
Does not hog the ball - Like Teddy and RTS.
His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable.
Didn't have any trouble keeping up with Teddy to score that try under the post.
On 2017 form he is a better proposition than RTS.
He is 100% fit (forget the shape).
Less than half the cost of RTS.

Weigh all that up and I'll stick with Tui thanks.

Written and spoken by Tui's mother lol…
RTS is twice the player. End of.

That response was expected from you…. next!!!!!

 

[Munk]

Haha im just using the same levity you did when you wrote your opinion….unless of course you werent joking? In that instance I was just following your lead by saying something stupid. Multi faceted post.

 

[Geo]

Someone has a mancrush on Tuimoala Lolohea..I had similar on Marty Taupau..that ended in.. 😢

Lolohea isn't a proven NRL fullback..I believe his preferred position at the Warriors was in the halves..he did well in the 20's and early on in his NRL career…he's untested over a week in week out NRL season...I think he will be good for us...not expecting miracles though ..solid First Grade performances..
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Hope yours doesn't Russ..but it has an eerie feel to the way you use to talk up M. Moses..

 

[newtiger]

Cleary being 80% chance to come here and even having a chance of getting both him and RTS is **hyperbole**.

I honestly just want to see us develop our squad over time. If we get a marquee signing great but if we do I'd like to see that signing as a proven game winner like Morgan for instance or in a position we really need to improve.

Can we get Julia to pronounce that?
:roll

 

[Joel Helmes]

Tui looks a lot more trimmed down in the most recent training pics.

He’ll be first choice fullback in 18, but he isn’t a specialist fullback like RTS and we’d been crazy not to go for him.

 

[Needaname]

I’m in your corner Russ.
RTS is a quality player but his had the benefit of proper development through a succession plan of learning off the NSW fullback whilst being involved on the wing.
Included in that was the benefit of an ultra professional in SBW in seasons 2013 and 2014.
I’m pretty sure that Roger and Tui are around the same age but from juniors their pathways development couldn’t be further apart.
Roger was kept on Ice and eased in controlling his expectations and the expectations of people around him.
Tui was blown up as the hottest thing out of NZ since Johnson in his 20s / debut year and then the years succeeding got used less and less.
Cleary has given Tui things his never recieved in his time at the warriors.
direction, stability and confidence.

RTS will always be a solid fullback similar to the Holmes and using a veteran example Boyd mould but in coming into 1st grade what was his strength? His running and side step. Which was exceptional when on the wing and and playing 2015 at the roosters. His actual involvement in creating a play is less of an attributed his. I’ve seen him throw some nice cut off passes but his usually finishing off something Johnson started.
The environment that RTS developed into that role and Tuimoala’s environment are light years apart.
As a player Tuimoala has a better all round skill set, probably not as strong of running game and defencive positioning is yet to be determined.
However through the possibility of a similar development plan that Roger Benefited from in his earlier years. I believe he has the potential to surpass Roger as a fullback.

He may have played five eight in his juniors but that has helped him develope his ball playing and especially the second half of last year helped with understanding of the positioning and structure of his front line in attack and defence when organising / joining in from the back.

When asked about Tui going to the Tigers Shaun Johnson expressed that fullback would be best suited to him but was also hopeful that he would stay at the warriors to play alongside him. Not sure whether that is an endorsement for Tui but a lack of faith in RTS but either way.

Make that 2 fans.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Someone has a mancrush on Tuimoala Lolohea..I had similar on Marty Taupau..that ended in.. 😢

Lolohea isn't a proven NRL fullback..I believe his preferred position at the Warriors was in the halves..he did well in the 20's and early on in his NRL career…he's untested over a week in week out NRL season...I think he will be good for us...not expecting miracles though ..solid First Grade performances..
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Hope yours doesn't Russ..but it has an eerie feel to the way you use to talk up M. Moses..

That would be the same Moses that is being talked about as an Origin player, and whilst I won't go as far as Russell has with Tui, I think we will not miss the chook much at all with him at the back.

 

[teddy23]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing - Yes me too Teddy23.

I mentioned in other threads the following.

RTS is not available until 2019 (probably never for us, that is ok though).

Tui is a recognised full back - saying he isn't doesn't make that correct.

He reads the play better than RTS.
He is a better full back defender than RTS.
Sets up his outside backs to score tries.
Does not hog the ball - Like Teddy and RTS.
His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable.
Didn't have any trouble keeping up with Teddy to score that try under the post.
On 2017 form he is a better proposition than RTS.
He is 100% fit (forget the shape).
Less than half the cost of RTS.

Weigh all that up and I'll stick with Tui thanks.

Sorry Russ I just don’t agree with you at all.

Tui is not a recognised fullback, and RTS is a proven fullback and is twice the player, it’s reality.

Tui could’ve even crack it at fullback for the Warriors reserve grade.

Looking at your points:

“He’s a better fullback defender than RTS”…... well when was the last time he even played fullback so I don’t understand how you can assess that. So that’s incorrect

“He reads the play better than RTS”.... well RTS in space is freakish, he reads broken plays better than anyone in the game. Incorrect

“Sets up his outside backs to score tries”..... oh but RTS doesn’t?

“Does not hog the ball”.... Tedesco is a hog no
Doubt about that but RTS really isn’t his problem all 2017 was him not taking the line on as much as he should have. Also incorrect

“His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable”..... once again I think any fullback can do this it’s not rocket science, and when has Tui showcased this trait cause I don’t recall him playing fullback consistently in recent memory.

“Tui had no trouble keeping up with teddy”..... what and RTS wouldn’t?

“2017 form I disagree whole heartedly that Tui was the better player”.... the first half of the season he was playing reserve grade at wing, and the second half he showed promise but didn’t really set the world on fire. Whereas RTS had a pretty poor year but still averaged roughly around 175m a game and didn’t find much difficulties scoring tries and finding his wingers score as well. And if we’re going on the World Cup RTS had a much better campaign than Tui. The only reason RTS has copped a bit is because he has big expectations, but if you’re basing the performances without looking at expectations etc you’d pick RTS.

“He is 100% fit”...... we don’t know for sure do we he is still very bulky, whereas RTS would be a lot more fitter than Tui.

Cost wise you’re right but that’s what happens if you want to buy wuality players that can win you games, you need to pay there price tags. We’ve got one more spot and have the money to make it happen.

Now don’t get me wrong I think Tui will be a solid first grader, I hope he proves me wrong when I say this but I don’t think he’s gonna be as good as we all hope he will be in comparison to the other fullbacks in the game. He could transition into centre quite well, maybe even a utility role at 14.

 

[Telltails]

A lot of faith in Tui by some with very little experience to back it up.
Cant realistically compare Tui to any seasoned FG fullback yet - he has no form.
I hope his fans are right about him, but if Cleary is making a play for RTS it must give some indication about where his thinking in this debate lies.

 

[Russell]

I can’t believe what I’m hearing…... oh we don’t need RTS we have Tui.

Tui is not a proven fullback, he is still a bit overweight as well, I do however think he’ll be a good player. I think our fans overvalue the players we have way too much, don’t get me wrong I’m guilty of that too but when a player of RTS quality is avaible, you have money and your current fullback isn’t proven at all you chase after him.

What RTS did during the WC shows he still has heaps of talent, he would instantly be our best player if he was to sign.

I personally believe we’re lacking that X-factor in attack and if we were to snatch RTS we’d be a top 8 team. I’m not sure if I’m the only one but I’m not too excited about the season ahead I reckon our list isn’t strong enough compared to the other clubs. I do think our pack will be impressive and create a lot to go forward but we lack that spark in attack that will be missing with teddy gone and RTS has that spark that only very few fullbacks have.

I think he’ll probably go to union but if he wanted to stay in the NRL and it was between us and the Rabbits I’d be backing us to sign him.

Tui would make a good centre, he’s quite big and also has some good footwork and his defense is also good. Give him a bit of space and he’ll create chances, if not at centre then at 14 where he could really play anywhere from 1-7.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing - Yes me too Teddy23.

I mentioned in other threads the following.

RTS is not available until 2019 (probably never for us, that is ok though).

Tui is a recognised full back - saying he isn't doesn't make that correct.

He reads the play better than RTS.
He is a better full back defender than RTS.
Sets up his outside backs to score tries.
Does not hog the ball - Like Teddy and RTS.
His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable.
Didn't have any trouble keeping up with Teddy to score that try under the post.
On 2017 form he is a better proposition than RTS.
He is 100% fit (forget the shape).
Less than half the cost of RTS.

Weigh all that up and I'll stick with Tui thanks.

Sorry Russ I just don’t agree with you at all.

Tui is not a recognised fullback, and RTS is a proven fullback and is twice the player, it’s reality.

Tui could’ve even crack it at fullback for the Warriors reserve grade.

Looking at your points:

“He’s a better fullback defender than RTS”…... well when was the last time he even played fullback so I don’t understand how you can assess that. So that’s incorrect

“He reads the play better than RTS”.... well RTS in space is freakish, he reads broken plays better than anyone in the game. Incorrect

“Sets up his outside backs to score tries”..... oh but RTS doesn’t?

“Does not hog the ball”.... Tedesco is a hog no
Doubt about that but RTS really isn’t his problem all 2017 was him not taking the line on as much as he should have. Also incorrect

“His calls to the team from the back will be invaluable”..... once again I think any fullback can do this it’s not rocket science, and when has Tui showcased this trait cause I don’t recall him playing fullback consistently in recent memory.

“Tui had no trouble keeping up with teddy”..... what and RTS wouldn’t?

“2017 form I disagree whole heartedly that Tui was the better player”.... the first half of the season he was playing reserve grade at wing, and the second half he showed promise but didn’t really set the world on fire. Whereas RTS had a pretty poor year but still averaged roughly around 175m a game and didn’t find much difficulties scoring tries and finding his wingers score as well. And if we’re going on the World Cup RTS had a much better campaign than Tui. The only reason RTS has copped a bit is because he has big expectations, but if you’re basing the performances without looking at expectations etc you’d pick RTS.

“He is 100% fit”...... we don’t know for sure do we he is still very bulky, whereas RTS would be a lot more fitter than Tui.

Cost wise you’re right but that’s what happens if you want to buy wuality players that can win you games, you need to pay there price tags. We’ve got one more spot and have the money to make it happen.

Now don’t get me wrong I think Tui will be a solid first grader, I hope he proves me wrong when I say this but I don’t think he’s gonna be as good as we all hope he will be in comparison to the other fullbacks in the game. He could transition into centre quite well, maybe even a utility role at 14.

Agree to disagree, totally.

We'll see as the season unfolds.

 

[Harvey]

Would suggest the reason Lolohea was not playing fullback in the warriors reserve grade side is that he had more utility ability than some of the others in the side and was on the cusp of first grade as an outside back, so they played him there (and Kearney is a terrible coach).

Since coming into the warriors U/20's in 2013, Tui's positions in guides have always been listed as five-eight/fullback.

 

[851]

A lot of faith in Tui by some with very little experience to back it up.
Cant realistically compare Tui to any seasoned FG fullback yet - he has no form.
I hope his fans are right about him, but if Cleary is making a play for RTS it must give some indication about where his thinking in this debate lies.

Spot on, I hope Tui comes good, but to state he is better than other fullbacks, including RTS is quite laughable

 

[Munk]

Would suggest the reason Lolohea was not playing fullback in the warriors reserve grade side is that he had more utility ability than some of the others in the side and was on the cusp of first grade as an outside back, so they played him there (and Kearney is a terrible coach).

Since coming into the warriors U/20's in 2013, Tui's positions in guides have always been listed as five-eight/fullback.

Im pretty sure i read that they were bulking him up to become a blockbusting winger in the top grade and thats the reason he was so overweight when he started with us.

 

[Twal'sFirstTry]

Personally I think we should chase Mansour instead