Tigers should be heavyweights

[mike]

Justin has done alot of good but his allowance for Ivan to have free reign over recruitment and $$ is a sackable offense in my mind.

That would have been the Board's decision. A CEO would not have the authority to take that decision.

My god it sounds like he's responsible for nothing. I think CEO is the wrong title.

It appears he's solely responsible for all the good stuff but has nothing to do with any of the bad stuff.

He’s made mistakes for sure but one thing he is not responsible for is the players in the playing group. That is the purview of the Board and the Coach. Pascoe would know very little about players abilities.

Nor would I, but if I was CEO and someone came to me with a range of contracts i'd be asking them if there were any competing offers and what we're paying them compared to their previous contract. Wasn't it reported that Reynolds and Packer's offer from us was almost double their offer from their old clubs? If he's this financial whiz everyone says, wouldn't that raise alarm bells?

It depends what his instructions were from the Board.

So what is the point of him then? Is he just a figurehead?

Mostly..

Yes..he would be part of the 'team'' in terms of recruitment but power of veto is always with the board especially where large contracts are concerned..

A CEO may well be against a signing a coach wants with all the due diligence that entails..if the board is backing the coach with what he requires would carry more weight..

You can use the Dragons as an example where the Coach is not given the power over the roster ..in the end that cost him the job with a committee in the end that was selecting the team week to week..

What does a GEO do

Guest Executive Officer?

 

[happy_tiger]

Greatest Eagles Ombudsman .....The Man is Manly to his silk stockings

 

[mike]

Justin is the face of WT.
He has a colossal role(for the club) and is most certainly liable for both executive and administrative responsibilities, however I think it's obvious that we suffer from poor organisational culture.
This stems from poor governance and leadership from the Board - **who are supposed to be the brains behind everything.**

The board is the over lying issue I think aswell. They have no one to answer to.

They should be answerable to the owners of the club.

They are except in this instance they are the Board Members of the owners as well. So basically they don’t answer to anyone.

The governance of Wests Tigers has been broken from day 1, and that really is the underlying issue of why the Wests Tigers are not a powerhouse.

 

[cochise]

Justin is the face of WT.
He has a colossal role(for the club) and is most certainly liable for both executive and administrative responsibilities, however I think it's obvious that we suffer from poor organisational culture.
This stems from poor governance and leadership from the Board - **who are supposed to be the brains behind everything.**

The board is the over lying issue I think aswell. They have no one to answer to.

They should be answerable to the owners of the club.

They are except in this instance they are the Board Members of the owners as well. So basically they don’t answer to anyone.

The governance of Wests Tigers has been broken from day 1, and that really is the underlying issue of why the Wests Tigers are not a powerhouse.

Good point, in effect they are answerable to the members of Wests Ashfield but the majority of those members have little regard for the Wests Tigers.

 

[Russell]

Justin has done alot of good but his allowance for Ivan to have free reign over recruitment and $$ is a sackable offense in my mind.

That would have been the Board's decision. A CEO would not have the authority to take that decision.

My god it sounds like he's responsible for nothing. I think CEO is the wrong title.

It appears he's solely responsible for all the good stuff but has nothing to do with any of the bad stuff.

Exactly. Now you got it Avo.

 

[happy_tiger]

It's interesting that the focus has turned away from Pascoe to "the Board". I seriously don't know who is on the Board. Can someone list them for us please?

Bandeli "Lee" Hagipantelis – Chairperson (Independent)
Simon Cook (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO)
Dennis Burgess (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Tony Andreacchio (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Michael Liubinskas (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Frederick "Rick" Wayde (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Danny Stapleton (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)
James Myatt (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)

That was in 2019 and I haven't heard of any changes.

That's them

Why haven't we built the 8 of them Bronze Statues yet

 

[avocadoontoast]

Justin has done alot of good but his allowance for Ivan to have free reign over recruitment and $$ is a sackable offense in my mind.

That would have been the Board's decision. A CEO would not have the authority to take that decision.

My god it sounds like he's responsible for nothing. I think CEO is the wrong title.

It appears he's solely responsible for all the good stuff but has nothing to do with any of the bad stuff.

He’s made mistakes for sure but one thing he is not responsible for is the players in the playing group. That is the purview of the Board and the Coach. Pascoe would know very little about players abilities.

Nor would I, but if I was CEO and someone came to me with a range of contracts i'd be asking them if there were any competing offers and what we're paying them compared to their previous contract. Wasn't it reported that Reynolds and Packer's offer from us was almost double their offer from their old clubs? If he's this financial whiz everyone says, wouldn't that raise alarm bells?

It depends what his instructions were from the Board.

So what is the point of him then? Is he just a figurehead?

He is responsible for implementing the directions of the board, that is a CEO's role.

I’m very well aware of what the CEO’s role is, but the insinuation of others has been that he essentially has nothing to do with football operations, which is not the case.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Justin has done alot of good but his allowance for Ivan to have free reign over recruitment and $$ is a sackable offense in my mind.

That would have been the Board's decision. A CEO would not have the authority to take that decision.

My god it sounds like he's responsible for nothing. I think CEO is the wrong title.

It appears he's solely responsible for all the good stuff but has nothing to do with any of the bad stuff.

Exactly. Now you got it Avo.

Oh I get it alright

 

[gallagher]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

 

[Tiger5150]

If I have learnt on thing in my life it's, if you want something to fail run it by committee. Seriously I hope our board do not sit around and discuss who should be recruited. Thats why they employ others. Seriously we have a bunch of super fans talking about recruits an can veto? So if the weather man is unhappy or does not rate a player he has a say? If its true that the board has final say I think we have found why we suck.

No the question was why did Pascoe not stop Voldamort signing Reynolds Packer Mbye to stupid contracts et al

The power of veto lies with the Board and the Weatherman not the CEO..

So the board did sit around...they backed the Coach..

In another universe every StGilly supporter has been screaming for the sacking of a coach who had zero input into his signing and retention.

 

[mike]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

Boards always run the show. The Boards are the company. The CEO is an employee of the Board who implements the Board’s strategic plan. If the CEO doesn’t then they are out on their ear.

 

[cochise]

Justin has done alot of good but his allowance for Ivan to have free reign over recruitment and $$ is a sackable offense in my mind.

That would have been the Board's decision. A CEO would not have the authority to take that decision.

My god it sounds like he's responsible for nothing. I think CEO is the wrong title.

It appears he's solely responsible for all the good stuff but has nothing to do with any of the bad stuff.

He’s made mistakes for sure but one thing he is not responsible for is the players in the playing group. That is the purview of the Board and the Coach. Pascoe would know very little about players abilities.

Nor would I, but if I was CEO and someone came to me with a range of contracts i'd be asking them if there were any competing offers and what we're paying them compared to their previous contract. Wasn't it reported that Reynolds and Packer's offer from us was almost double their offer from their old clubs? If he's this financial whiz everyone says, wouldn't that raise alarm bells?

It depends what his instructions were from the Board.

So what is the point of him then? Is he just a figurehead?

He is responsible for implementing the directions of the board, that is a CEO's role.

I’m very well aware of what the CEO’s role is, but the insinuation of others has been that he essentially has nothing to do with football operations, which is not the case.

That would depend on the organisational structure of the club, many clubs are now employing a General Manager of football. At the Wests Tigers that person would probably still reportable to the CEO, I doubt that when Gould was General Manager at Penrith that he was reportable to the CEO. The General manage role though has seemed to have been created in Rugby League to take on alot of the football related responsibilities from the CEO.

 

[Russell]

It's interesting that the focus has turned away from Pascoe to "the Board". I seriously don't know who is on the Board. Can someone list them for us please?

Bandeli "Lee" Hagipantelis – Chairperson (Independent)
Simon Cook (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO)
Dennis Burgess (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Tony Andreacchio (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Michael Liubinskas (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Frederick "Rick" Wayde (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Danny Stapleton (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)
James Myatt (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)

That was in 2019 and I haven't heard of any changes.

And the two Balmain directors do not have a vote - just window dressing.

 

[cochise]

It's interesting that the focus has turned away from Pascoe to "the Board". I seriously don't know who is on the Board. Can someone list them for us please?

Bandeli "Lee" Hagipantelis – Chairperson (Independent)
Simon Cook (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO)
Dennis Burgess (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Tony Andreacchio (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Michael Liubinskas (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Frederick "Rick" Wayde (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Danny Stapleton (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)
James Myatt (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)

That was in 2019 and I haven't heard of any changes.

And the two Balmain directors do not have a vote - just window dressing.

I think that changed with the Balmain Leagues Wests Ashfield amalgamation. I believe each board member each have one vote .

 

[hammertime]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

Boards always run the show. The Boards are the company. The CEO is an employee of the Board who implements the Board’s strategic plan. If the CEO doesn’t then they are out on their ear.

Yeah, the board has a lot to answer to. I'm glad we got the independent directors in there as it looks like they've helped fill a lot of the flaws in the organisation with some proper governance structures.

But why are the roosters so successful? Compare their board with ours. Smart business men with proven ability vs weathermen and league club lackies.

 

[mike]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

Boards always run the show. The Boards are the company. The CEO is an employee of the Board who implements the Board’s strategic plan. If the CEO doesn’t then they are out on their ear.

Yeah, the board has a lot to answer to. I'm glad we got the independent directors in there as it looks like they've helped fill a lot of the flaws in the organisation with some proper governance structures.

But why are the roosters so successful? Compare their board with ours. Smart business men with proven ability vs weathermen and league club lackies.

?????

 

[Russell]

It's interesting that the focus has turned away from Pascoe to "the Board". I seriously don't know who is on the Board. Can someone list them for us please?

Bandeli "Lee" Hagipantelis – Chairperson (Independent)
Simon Cook (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO)
Dennis Burgess (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Tony Andreacchio (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Michael Liubinskas (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Frederick "Rick" Wayde (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Danny Stapleton (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)
James Myatt (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)

That was in 2019 and I haven't heard of any changes.

And the two Balmain directors do not have a vote - just window dressing.

I think that changed with the Balmain Leagues Wests Ashfield amalgamation. I believe each board member each have one vote .

Well I'd be surprised Cochise.

 

[gallagher]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

Boards always run the show. The Boards are the company. The CEO is an employee of the Board who implements the Board’s strategic plan. If the CEO doesn’t then they are out on their ear.

You reckon he was the fall guy for the cap cheating?

 

[cochise]

It's interesting that the focus has turned away from Pascoe to "the Board". I seriously don't know who is on the Board. Can someone list them for us please?

Bandeli "Lee" Hagipantelis – Chairperson (Independent)
Simon Cook (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO)
Dennis Burgess (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Tony Andreacchio (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Michael Liubinskas (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Frederick "Rick" Wayde (Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Board Director)
Danny Stapleton (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)
James Myatt (Balmain Leagues Club Board Director)

That was in 2019 and I haven't heard of any changes.

And the two Balmain directors do not have a vote - just window dressing.

I think that changed with the Balmain Leagues Wests Ashfield amalgamation. I believe each board member each have one vote .

Well I'd be surprised Cochise.

Yeah, I'm only going from memory, so could be wrong but I thought they got their voting rights back when they reduced to 10% ownership.

 

[mike]

Rick Waydes real name is Frederick? Well I'll be buggered.
I'm more worried as ever knowing that Wests board run the show and the CEO position is a nothing role.
Things aren't going to get better folks.

Boards always run the show. The Boards are the company. The CEO is an employee of the Board who implements the Board’s strategic plan. If the CEO doesn’t then they are out on their ear.

You reckon he was the fall guy for the cap cheating?

I think Pascoe made mistakes. I think it was discussed with the Board. Certainly Go never thought it was a breach. In fact I am 85% sure that’s why she left. Go wanted to take the NRL on but got overruled but the invested members of the Board so basically she said see ya.