Tim Simona - Deregistered
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So what do we make of this - another attempt to discredit the club? Or is at a case of where there is smoke ? I've read from a few here that the attempted offloading of Lovett and Simona was not due to salary cap problems - yet the stories keep coming from all different sources.
The club can't be held responsible for the actions of
Simona and Lovett -but what the heck is going on with the cap?
The club can't be held responsible for the actions of
Simona and Lovett -but what the heck is going on with the cap?
sheer64
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If this proves to be true I find it hard to believe small bets are the only bets placed on the players he opposed. I really hope this did not cost us a top 8 spot!
Pawsandclaws
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I'm shocked at these allegations. I hope they are proven not to be correct and Tim can continue to play rugby league..
innsaneink
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Sounds like it's more than just Tim gambling
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I would say his associate,mate or whoever….he still did the work and let the opposition score against him,which in turn affected the result of the game,the betting shops results and his bank account....ALL YET TO BE PROVEN...I certainly wouldn't want to be in his shoes atm,mainly with his career in jeopardy...
innsaneink
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I was referring to the club… Gambling on things out of their control happening to help out of cap dramas
I live by the age old adage ..Well if it's in the paper it must be true…
hammertime
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So your saying that even though the club had to dispose of 10+ players and sign 2 off the scrap heap, just this year, let alone the rest, that current management are the issue? Give me a break.
Sure, they've gone slightly over, but they are still working their way out of an incredibly difficult situation
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Full Article…
Paul Kent NRL 360 exclusive: Tim Simona to get life, NRL bans bets
PAUL KENT NRL 360 EXCLUSIVE, The Daily Telegraph
LATER this week Tim Simona will walk in to League Central where he is expected to fall on his very sharp sword.
It will do him no good.
Simona currently stands accused of betting against himself, backing his opponent to be first tryscorer, the greatest act of treachery that can be committed in team sport.
At 25, he will be banned for life, his career over.
At such a young age, it is understandable to sympathise in a small way for Simona and his poor choices.
What led a player to such steps? Why didn’t he fully grasp the repercussions of his actions?
And then you look at his teammates.
The Tigers missed the playoffs by a single competition point last season.
This at a club where coach Jason Taylor has to be a success or else his NRL coaching days are over.
Where the young careers of his playmakers would have benefited enormously from a finals appearance.
Simona was affecting all their careers and, understandably, Tigers players are angry.
He was also tinkering with something far greater.
Inch by inch, the NRL is taking steps to ensure the integrity of the game remains above question.
Without integrity and a belief in the result, the game is nothing.
So last month NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg sent an email to clubs, quietly and without fuss, warning them of their obligations surrounding gambling.
It followed the investigation into Simona that began last year and escalated in September when he was interviewed at league headquarters and denied the allegations against him.
Now, six months later and with the evidence against him overwhelming, it is expected Simona will confess to a gambling addiction and plead for mercy.
Greenberg will not listen. He cannot.
Allegations last year of match-fixing led to the subsequent formation of Strike Force Nuralda to investigate the claims, prompting Greenberg to state with considerable energy that anybody caught match fixing would be banned for life.
He cannot back down.
The work did not finish there.
Greenberg took it a step further and told bookies over the summer the code was banning them from offering various exotic bets.
Gone are most runs head to head, most run metres head to head, over/under run metres, over/under tackles, player versus player points, 40/20 kicks, first try scoring options and team to trail in the match.
Greenberg knew all could be easily manipulated without suspicion and were a drama the game could do without.
Significantly, they also banned betting on under-20s games, where player-ins and -outs had enormous impact on the result. An early tip was akin to printing money.
Naturally the betting agencies fought back.
Their reason is simple.
Bookies learned long ago that the big money in punting was in the small money.
It sounds backward.
Where a first look suggests that the big punters are where bookies will make the most money, given the sheer size of their bets, the actual secret is volume.
All those five and 10 dollar bets add up to so much more.
So novelty bets were created to attract the punters. A lazy five here, another five there.
Problem was, the bets are so easily manipulated it created great headaches for the code.
Who could really tell whether a player was down on runs because he was off his game, or shut down by the opposition, or running dead?
So the bets are gone.
The opportunity for smoke and mirrors surrounding team selections has also been reduced.
Teams for round one were announced last night using the new system where a 21-man squad must be named before it gets pruned to 19 a whole 24 hours before kick-off.
Any club hoping to add a player not named must now get special exemption from the NRL.
Final line-ups do not have to be named until an hour before kick-off.
It is a step the right way for a game coming to terms with the sad reality of what is possible
TSupps05
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News from Fox Sports
February 28, 2017 7:58pm
NRL 360 host Paul Kent has revealed Tigers centre Tim Simona will be banned for life on Friday for gambling on NRL games.
The 25-year-old is expected to front up to Rugby League Central, where according to Kent, will be told he can no longer play the game.
“The NRL is in possession of evidence that he was backing opposition players for first tryscorer in games he was playing,” Kent told the show.
“(NRL CEO) Todd Greenberg came out last year very strongly and said anybody caught match fixing will not have a place in the game.”
NRL 360 guest and Daily Telegraph journalist Phil Rothfield believed a life ban would be too harsh for the Samoan international, but Kent argued otherwise.
“Simona has backed the opposition - it can’t get any worse,” Kent said.
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“There’s been a screenshot of his phone placing the bets. The NRL’s got the screenshot.”
A NSW Police strike force was launched last year, investigating claims that up to three games had potentially been manipulated in the past two seasons. Those matches are understood to be separate to the Simona claims.
February 28, 2017 7:58pm
NRL 360 host Paul Kent has revealed Tigers centre Tim Simona will be banned for life on Friday for gambling on NRL games.
The 25-year-old is expected to front up to Rugby League Central, where according to Kent, will be told he can no longer play the game.
“The NRL is in possession of evidence that he was backing opposition players for first tryscorer in games he was playing,” Kent told the show.
“(NRL CEO) Todd Greenberg came out last year very strongly and said anybody caught match fixing will not have a place in the game.”
NRL 360 guest and Daily Telegraph journalist Phil Rothfield believed a life ban would be too harsh for the Samoan international, but Kent argued otherwise.
“Simona has backed the opposition - it can’t get any worse,” Kent said.
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“There’s been a screenshot of his phone placing the bets. The NRL’s got the screenshot.”
A NSW Police strike force was launched last year, investigating claims that up to three games had potentially been manipulated in the past two seasons. Those matches are understood to be separate to the Simona claims.
WestsBenTigers
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#SaveTimSim
Everyone deserves a second chance.
Ban him for half the season like they did with Pearce and fine him whatever you want. He will get the idea and never do it again. Don't ban him for life.
#SaveTimSim
Everyone deserves a second chance.
Ban him for half the season like they did with Pearce and fine him whatever you want. He will get the idea and never do it again. Don't ban him for life.
#SaveTimSim
gallagher
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Thats ridiculous. He deserves what he'll gets from the NRL and hopefully the police can also take action.
innsaneink
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“There’s been a screenshot of his phone placing the bets. The NRL’s got the screenshot.”
What's this mean?
What's this mean?
Harvey
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Drug and alcohol addicts get an all expenses paid trip to Thailand, a gambling addict gets life. What he did was stupid, and if betting on the opposition and blokes he was marking, then that is almost unforgivable.
But if was betting on 15 players to be 1st scorer in the match, it starts to move away from a suggestion of match fixing and into a gambling problem.
Regardless of any addiction, he was stupid. He could have bet on first goal scorer in soccer, whether the 1st score in the AFL was a goal or a behind and not faced any sanction, but if he was truly addicted to gambling, then that is a medical problem and he has no off switch.
The tigers should sack him. He should be forced to spend a long time out of the game & undergo some form of treatment.
He could always argue that his behaviour was the result of concussions he received which impacted his frontal lobe and his impulse control.
But if was betting on 15 players to be 1st scorer in the match, it starts to move away from a suggestion of match fixing and into a gambling problem.
Regardless of any addiction, he was stupid. He could have bet on first goal scorer in soccer, whether the 1st score in the AFL was a goal or a behind and not faced any sanction, but if he was truly addicted to gambling, then that is a medical problem and he has no off switch.
The tigers should sack him. He should be forced to spend a long time out of the game & undergo some form of treatment.
He could always argue that his behaviour was the result of concussions he received which impacted his frontal lobe and his impulse control.
