TODDY ON SHAKEY GROUND

[TieDye]

Reading one of the other threads apparently the game made a $30m profit from a year that turned over $500m in revenue. Assuming that's all revenue inclusive of broadcasting agreements, merchandising, ticketing and memberships, a 6% profit margin is abhorrent.


Actually if 6% is net profit, its a pretty good number. A better ROI than the banks.

I wonder how it stacks up to other sports as well.

Way way way behind the AFL

Herein contains the bed, now lay in it. Proof’s in the pudding that nobody has offered him a job? He’s very happy with the paper bags ?

 

[TieDye]

Reading one of the other threads apparently the game made a $30m profit from a year that turned over $500m in revenue. Assuming that's all revenue inclusive of broadcasting agreements, merchandising, ticketing and memberships, a 6% profit margin is abhorrent.


Actually if 6% is net profit, its a pretty good number. A better ROI than the banks.

The “banks”... not corrupt ...helping out our fellow citizens ! Yup who could forget them

 

[jirskyr]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.

 

[TieDye]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

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Ya kidding. There’s obvious criteria set out for him to follow and successfully implement. He is being judged on exactly that, the success of his peers and colleagues as to how the game of NRL in Australia’s administered. The ARLC have never stood in CEO’s way over anything really - except if you’d like to go way back, merely guiding and helping as impartial directors if you like

Def about to get the proverbial stab in the back by his commanders. He was good at that, too and in a sense is the most polarising, political and potentially corrupt HQ that has existed.

He’s had a losing streak with clearing objectives and fairly disciplining the real cheats within the game. Don’t know how many closet Sharkies’ fans on that mighty big board they have @ the Commission but it’s unlikely to be many.

Given previous and similar offences, would you say that he did a good job , or say a fair one, on the calculating and dishing out of such an important punishment given circumstances + his own speeches on impartiality and just a few years prior having promised to eradicate Storm kind of premiership winning salary cap rort?

Seems we were far more heavily dealt with and for no morally reprehensible action. Couldn’t argue with us being the scape goats really but his time has come and so, hopefully, ours too… whether or not this kind of decision would be backed since I don’t presume to know the type of business V’landys has with his role - as yet - is another question entirely. Yet irrelevant to topic.

It does seem’s he’s being held… accountable, at least by the media and maybe not yet boss?

 

[gallagher]

Reading one of the other threads apparently the game made a $30m profit from a year that turned over $500m in revenue. Assuming that's all revenue inclusive of broadcasting agreements, merchandising, ticketing and memberships, a 6% profit margin is abhorrent.


Actually if 6% is net profit, its a pretty good number. A better ROI than the banks.

I wonder how it stacks up to other sports as well.

It stacks well up against most clubs.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Reading one of the other threads apparently the game made a $30m profit from a year that turned over $500m in revenue. Assuming that's all revenue inclusive of broadcasting agreements, merchandising, ticketing and memberships, a 6% profit margin is abhorrent.


Actually if 6% is net profit, its a pretty good number. A better ROI than the banks.

I wonder how it stacks up to other sports as well.

It stacks well up against most clubs.

Wonder how we rate against that. What was our turnover and our profit post tax.

 

[TYGA]

Vlandys didn’t hire Greenberg it would be a shock if he didn’t replace him in 12 months. He won’t do it straight away it will be at the end of the season.

NRL a strong leader not a politician who acts like a fan of the big clubs and players.

 

[The_Patriot]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.

Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

 

[gallagher]

Reading one of the other threads apparently the game made a $30m profit from a year that turned over $500m in revenue. Assuming that's all revenue inclusive of broadcasting agreements, merchandising, ticketing and memberships, a 6% profit margin is abhorrent.


Actually if 6% is net profit, its a pretty good number. A better ROI than the banks.

I wonder how it stacks up to other sports as well.

It stacks well up against most clubs.

Wonder how we rate against that. What was our turnover and our profit post tax.

We made a loss last year so not good. The secret service won't release the figures though, just transparent graphs.

 

[jirskyr]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

 

[happy_tiger]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

Not so squishy .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apK3JWt-Bm8

 

[TieDye]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

Pretty much exactly my point, Patriot, he may not be a member of the ARLC but to act like the CEO of the NRL is just a puppet or piece in a higher game of chess is all wrong. He’s out of favour

 

[TieDye]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

 

[The_Patriot]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

Lol just an expression.

 

[jirskyr]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

 

[TieDye]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Still don’t follow? Funny fellow!

Pls respond in the other thread where people can actually see your legitimate thoughts.

But, seriously, if Todd’s such a puppet to the ARLC - as you clearly imply - how come he’s attempting and somewhat successfully gathering media attention to himself right now. Actually almost seems as if he’s half competent... you mentioned criticism levelled at Pascoe for his utterly accidental miscalculation at the level of CEO in running a business that turns over million’s.

So, if Pascoe happened to have had to fall on his sword for that evident singular stuff up, you’d have had a problem with it at the time. See, it wasn’t me who first mentioned accountability but that’s what it comes down to. He has not failed at a mandate. He’s failed his job...

You’ve lost your way, mate. Just as Pascoe has been reinstated and really ramped up his so far unsuccessful efforts to rebuild the club, Todd has made deliberate and clear choices that negatively affected the game. He’s fully responsible for it.

Your argument is nonsensical

 

[jirskyr]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Still don’t follow? Funny fellow!

Pls respond in the other thread where people can actually see your legitimate thoughts.

But, seriously, if Todd’s such a puppet to the ARLC - as you clearly imply - how come he’s attempting and somewhat successfully gathering media attention to himself right now. Actually almost seems as if he’s half competent... you mentioned criticism levelled at Pascoe for his utterly accidental miscalculation at the level of CEO in running a business that turns over million’s.

So, if Pascoe happened to have had to fall on his sword for that evident singular stuff up, you’d have had a problem with it at the time. See, it wasn’t me who first mentioned accountability but that’s what it comes down to. He has not failed at a mandate. He’s failed his job...

You’ve lost your way, mate. Just as Pascoe has been reinstated and really ramped up his so far unsuccessful efforts to rebuild the club, Todd has made deliberate and clear choices that negatively affected the game. He’s fully responsible for it.

Your argument is nonsensical

In regards to the picture, I just responded to the "faceless men" off-handed comment by Patriot. As you noted, not only men, certainly not faceless, by whatever varied definition for "faceless" that might take.

I didn't say Greenberg is a puppet, but I noted he acts at the behest of the ARLC, so there is a differentiation between what he does personally and what he is instructed to do. And in that regards, I cannot, as a punter from the sidelines, pretend that I know or understand under what key indicators Greenberg is being measured. He may in fact be doing a perfect job in delivering the ARLC's mandate, and it may in fact be the ARLC that people have more of an issue with.

So I won't pretend or claim I know the inner-workings of the NRL and ARLC, same as I won't pretend to be sufficiently qualified or informed to say whether or not Pascoe is doing his job. Being a CEO is not 100% a popularity contest; they aren't elected officials.

And I have to say, your responses are all over the place today, I struggle to concretely follow what you are saying. It might be me, but nonetheless I've made an attempt.

 

[TieDye]

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Think your post is kind of naive and also not accurate.

I don't think I follow your post?

Yeah Greenberg is accountable for the NRL, but none of us know exactly how he is being judged / measured by the ARLC. So we can't tell whether or not he is doing the job they want him to.


Doesnt really matter if he is doing the job they want him to do. He is and will be judged by the rugby league public. If they/we rule he isnt doing a good job these faceless men of the ARLC will toss him out rather than bring themselves into question.

These "faceless men"?
https://www.nrl.com/about-us/arl-commission/how-the-commission-works/

And women, mate... he referred to the nature of a commission and you decide to pick it apart. That’s not something up for debate.
He means Greeny is the visible turtle head

Argument lost, I reckon.

What argument?

Still don’t follow? Funny fellow!

Pls respond in the other thread where people can actually see your legitimate thoughts.

But, seriously, if Todd’s such a puppet to the ARLC - as you clearly imply - how come he’s attempting and somewhat successfully gathering media attention to himself right now. Actually almost seems as if he’s half competent... you mentioned criticism levelled at Pascoe for his utterly accidental miscalculation at the level of CEO in running a business that turns over million’s.

So, if Pascoe happened to have had to fall on his sword for that evident singular stuff up, you’d have had a problem with it at the time. See, it wasn’t me who first mentioned accountability but that’s what it comes down to. He has not failed at a mandate. He’s failed his job...

You’ve lost your way, mate. Just as Pascoe has been reinstated and really ramped up his so far unsuccessful efforts to rebuild the club, Todd has made deliberate and clear choices that negatively affected the game. He’s fully responsible for it.

Your argument is nonsensical

In regards to the picture, I just responded to the "faceless men" off-handed comment by Patriot. As you noted, not only men, certainly not faceless, by whatever varied definition for "faceless" that might take.

I didn't say Greenberg is a puppet, but I noted he acts at the behest of the ARLC, so there is a differentiation between what he does personally and what he is instructed to do. And in that regards, I cannot, as a punter from the sidelines, pretend that I know or understand under what key indicators Greenberg is being measured. He may in fact be doing a perfect job in delivering the ARLC's mandate, and it may in fact be the ARLC that people have more of an issue with.

So I won't pretend or claim I know the inner-workings of the NRL and ARLC, same as I won't pretend to be sufficiently qualified or informed to say whether or not Pascoe is doing his job. Being a CEO is not 100% a popularity contest; they aren't elected officials.

And I have to say, your responses are all over the place today, I struggle to concretely follow what you are saying. It might be me, but nonetheless I've made an attempt.

Sorry, mate, been a very busy morning following on from a raucous family weekend. You’ve made a really good post in here in that I, too, am also clearly only the “punter on the sidelines” but how much of an actual chance is there that ARLC deck chairs get shuffled and Todd stays?

I merely stated initially (you could have responded to but chose otherwise) we are more than capable as fans and even administrators in other area’s of each other’s and our own lives to see when a man’s out of his depth.

When he is measured on the strength of his successful rule implementation, revenue raising and punishment of legitimate cheating - just don’t be surprised to see him get the flick. I’ve detailed, IMO, pretty clearly this point many times to you.

Nobody mentioned a popularity contest either, so don’t see how that follows on for what the majority or at least 90% of actual pundits regarding the situation are saying.

I fall into the “please leave before you’re kicked in the clacker” category so... just thinking in terms of his own legacy and mental health state! Hope I’ve fully answered everything else.

 

[jirskyr]

Sorry, mate, been a very busy morning following on from a raucous family weekend. You’ve made a really good post in here in that I, too, am also clearly only the “punter on the sidelines” but how much of an actual chance is there that ARLC deck chairs get shuffled and Todd stays?

No worries, I found this post much more digestable. It's fine that we won't agree, we've both tried.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/todd-greenbergs-nrl-future-to-be-decided-at-arl-commission-meeting/news-story/cb0204653eff1a0b6f3f2b7812efa48b?type=curated&position=2&overallPos=2&utm_source=DailyTelegraph&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial