Top 25 contracted playing squad / Elijah Taylor - Farah.

@hammertime said:
@Eddie said:
There the people that have not liked Farah and really want him out but have and managed to stay constructive about things throughout. They understand that a guy who has played 247 games at this club deserves some respect.

Then where are those that are happy to call him names, abuse him every thread, cheap jokes, bag him at every opportunity etc. These same fans hate some apparent traits in Farah behave similarly themselves in this forum.

I think it's that people love the club, first and foremost, then the players in it from time to time.

When you attack the club, that's when the people who bleed black and gold get upset. That's what Robbie and ayoub have done with their media campaign. It should never happen by one of our own.

If newspaper reports of Mr Taylor calling Robbie selfish for representing Australia are correct then the Club via Mr Taylor started the blue. The Wests part of the JV knew how Mr Taylor is due to his own previous employment by the Club that was not always smooth. It is not Robbie's fault that JT was not good enough to be selected for Australia.
 
@Byron Bay Fan said:
If newspaper reports of Mr Taylor calling Robbie selfish for representing Australia are correct then the Club via Mr Taylor started the blue. The Wests part of the JV knew how Mr Taylor is due to his own previous employment by the Club that was not always smooth. It is not Robbie's fault that JT was not good enough to be selected for Australia.

Do you think that's what started it? I don't. I just think one side doesn't talk to the media and one does. So what info we have from the papers is pretty filtered.

I took in what TT said about Robbie burning bridges with people other than JT. That doesn't happen with one joking comment.
 
@hammertime said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
If newspaper reports of Mr Taylor calling Robbie selfish for representing Australia are correct then the Club via Mr Taylor started the blue. The Wests part of the JV knew how Mr Taylor is due to his own previous employment by the Club that was not always smooth. It is not Robbie's fault that JT was not good enough to be selected for Australia.

Do you think that's what started it? I don't. I just think one side doesn't talk to the media and one does. So what info we have from the papers is pretty filtered.

I took in what TT said about Robbie burning bridges with people other than JT. That doesn't happen with one joking comment.

I don't consider Robbie's quip as a joking comment but as a putdown by someone who had achieved more and was not letting himself being bullied by someone whom was never in that situation. Taylor spoke to the media re Robbie and team cohesion and other matters a year ago so he started the media campaign.
 
@Byron Bay Fan said:
The Wests part of the JV knew how Mr Taylor is due to his own previous employment by the Club that was not always smooth.

Just to get my head around this comment and it may help others, but is this a reference to Taylor's playing days at Wests from 1989-1993?
 
@cochise said:
@diedpretty said:
@cochise said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
If you don't get the difference you probably won't understand the explanation.

No I get it fully, Nelson and anyone else here has every right to be critical of the club or players, I don't have a problem with that. I do however find it hypercritical of a supporter to say that a player can not discuss the problems they see in the club when in the exacts same post they are criticizing the player for being disloyal for doing the same thing. If it is disloyal for a club captain, premiership winner to criticize then it's disloyal for supporter to do same. And this I pay money, he gets paid argument is just crap. Robbie has earnt the right to discuss this club's future and to defend himself.

You can't be serious in suggesting that fans who fork out money to a club have no rights to question that club yet a contracted employee on big money of the same club has every right to do so without any comeback on him. Robbie has earnt nothing other than to abide what the club decides to do with him. He happily signed a lucrative contract to do just that.

Not what I suggested at all, what I am saying, is that the fans do have right to question the club and players but if they want to exercise that right then it is hypercritical for them to bag a player and call him disloyal for doing the same thing.

I would never suggest people bag him out - the guy has bled for the club. But my point is I don't believe he or any other player has the right to bag the club in public - if they are dissatisfied complain behind closed doors. They are contracted by the club to do whatever and if they don't like it then work it out in private or walk away. All clubs go through this at some stage its just not played out in the media over 2 seasons.
 
@diedpretty said:
@cochise said:
@diedpretty said:
@cochise said:
No I get it fully, Nelson and anyone else here has every right to be critical of the club or players, I don't have a problem with that. I do however find it hypercritical of a supporter to say that a player can not discuss the problems they see in the club when in the exacts same post they are criticizing the player for being disloyal for doing the same thing. If it is disloyal for a club captain, premiership winner to criticize then it's disloyal for supporter to do same. And this I pay money, he gets paid argument is just crap. Robbie has earnt the right to discuss this club's future and to defend himself.

You can't be serious in suggesting that fans who fork out money to a club have no rights to question that club yet a contracted employee on big money of the same club has every right to do so without any comeback on him. Robbie has earnt nothing other than to abide what the club decides to do with him. He happily signed a lucrative contract to do just that.

Not what I suggested at all, what I am saying, is that the fans do have right to question the club and players but if they want to exercise that right then it is hypercritical for them to bag a player and call him disloyal for doing the same thing.

I would never suggest people bag him out - the guy has bled for the club. But my point is I don't believe he or any other player has the right to bag the club in public - if they are dissatisfied complain behind closed doors. They are contracted by the club to do whatever and if they don't like it then work it out in private or walk away. All clubs go through this at some stage its just not played out in the media over 2 seasons.

Supporters don't have the option to voice their concerns behind closed doors. There's only one way they can be heard. Its a real narrow minded argument.
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
The Wests part of the JV knew how Mr Taylor is due to his own previous employment by the Club that was not always smooth.

Just to **get my head around this comment** and it may help others, but is this a reference to Taylor's playing days at Wests from 1989-1993?

I try not too…it's just easier...
 
@Eddie said:
There the people that have not liked Farah and really want him out but have and managed to stay constructive about things throughout. They understand that a guy who has played 247 games at this club deserves some respect.

Then where are those that are happy to call him names, abuse him every thread, cheap jokes, bag him at every opportunity etc. These same fans hate some apparent traits in Farah behave similarly themselves in this forum.

Very well said. There are people on here with very short memories and talk about Farah like they know him personally. There criticisim of him is not about how he plays but who he is as a person and again all based on rumour and heresay. The hatred for someone who bled for this club and was a critical part of us winning a comp amazes me. The club threw him under a bus, how did they expect him to react. This was poorly handled last year when Pascoe came in and sided with Farah, and its poorly handled now with Pascoe and others trying to force farahs hand. The question that needs to be asked is, if farah was on $500,000 next year would this whole saga have happened. Would he have been dropped to reserves? I think we all know the answer to that. This is no way to treat a club legend, although for the sake of the club and himself hopefully he finds another home and moves on.
 
@Tiger Torch said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@bp tiger said:
@Tiger Torch said:
Earlier in the year I posted the club's top 25 roster in an attempt to explain some of the more bizarre team selections. This squad was assembled by Jason Taylor prior to Mark O'Neill's arrival….

one thing in ur notes above worries me how was MILONE put in the top 25, was he not out for the season before drinkwater left the club,seems strange to me.

Torch, do you have any idea which of our juniors (other than those mentioned) we're likely to keep? Tatola, Suli, Marsters, Stone, Jacobs, Karwhin etc?

And in general,the decision to promote Milone ahead of JAC just baffles. Neither should have been on much money, if anything JAC perhaps on more due to his far higher potential. Milone was one well connected kid.

Here's all I know at present re the above:
Milone may retire due to a recurrent knee injury but at the very least will not be in the top 25 next year! Sponsorhip expires end of year …..
Ballin is considering his future, but the club is very keen to retain him in some capacity if indeed he can't play due to injury - he will cost us $200k next year / this year $80k.
Tatola has received an offer at the same time as Felise - still no word on what he will do, has received lukewarm interest from elsewhere.
Kharwin has shown poor attitude at training minimum $80k offer has been rejected by him, don't know what he will do. Lack of genuine pace an issue.
Marsters signed up for 2 yrs and highly and regarded - trying to increase his effective minutes.
Suli, Stone & Jacobs I don't have any reliable info, I happen to know one of them personally, but still don't have anything to share.
Contrary to what has been reported the club is still trying to negotiate a settlement with Melb to release JAC. To date this appears to be the only major blunder under Pascoe's reign and as I reported previously JAC signed with Melb while Pascoe was away on extended leave from work on private business, despite leaving instructions that he wanted the final say on JAC - apparently this was not properly communicated to JAC management. JAC desperately wants to stay and be in the top 25 squad next year but this appears to be a remote chance with Melb asking for $200k comp / JAC 's 3 year Melb deal is only worth $460k + incentives.
Cherrington's deal with Penrith was withdrawn in July which was the deadline imposed based on a likely decision re Farah saga - he will move on to Cronulla on a 1 year deal / Liddle now outperforming him in all kpis.
Its important to note that next year there could be as many as 6 vacant spots ( exits: Farah; Halatau; Cherrington; Hunt; Milone; possibly Sirro) in our top 25 roster - maybe the forum should try to pick who the newbies will be will be from our existing squads / I don't anticipate a huge intake of fresh talent.
Personal view only: Robbie Farah is a WT legend no iffs or buts, but his time has come. He no longer has any support in the areas that matter perhaps apart from 1 sponsor. I have no personal relationship with Robbie and despite all I know / don't know, I respect him for what he did for us on the field. I don't want to dwell on the fact that he now has probably killed off any prospect of a role with the WTs after he retires - there would be any number I roles that I thought he could have handled quite capably. Its a real shame but needs to be resolved and Pascoe will ensure this happens as equitably as possible. Please believe me when I say the club is in good shape, it bears no resemblance to the 'inmates running the asylum' of a few years ago. No pain, no gain with a clear, transparent and binding primary objectives semi finals 2017;2018;2019.
Final word on JT's contract, technically it is true that 2017 is an option in the club's favour, but in all likelihood he will be granted this 1 yr contract exemption based on successfully resolving 'transitional issues' ( management talk for getting rid of dead wood / bad habits) and getting the team to at least equal 8th notwithstanding our poor differential. Next year its very simple ideally top 4 with a $ bonus or top 8 to receive a 2 yr extension. Failure to reach top 8 will result in immediate termination.
I've now been told 3 different contract figures for Taylor but none of them have him earning any more than $450k p.a. on his current deal, which is $200k less than what Cleary is asking.

TT left the forum with a challenge to fill the six vacancies in the top twenty five next year. Who will they be'?

liddle
B. Sironen (is he already included)
Paseka
Papenyhuyzen
Heleta
Giles or Tatola
 
lol… some of you blokes must have wet dreams over this Bloke

It would be hilarious if he is a Taxi Driver or Real Estate Agent for one of the players?!
 
@Tiger Watto said:
lol… some of you blokes must have wet dreams over this Bloke

It would be hilarious if he is a Taxi Driver or Real Estate Agent for one of the players?!

:unamused: He raises the positivity of the forum, didnt know that was bad
 
@Tiger Watto said:
lol… some of you blokes must have wet dreams over this Bloke

It would be hilarious if he is a Taxi Driver or Real Estate Agent for one of the players?!

No… Just like reading his input, he's a little bit hit and miss but has had more info that has turned out to be true than most posters on this forum
 
@Kavi said:
@Tiger Watto said:
lol… some of you blokes must have wet dreams over this Bloke

It would be hilarious if he is a Taxi Driver or Real Estate Agent for one of the players?!

:unamused: He raises the positivity of the forum, didnt know that was bad

so does Santa Claus
 
:supporter:

@Tiger Watto said:
@Kavi said:
@Tiger Watto said:
lol… some of you blokes must have wet dreams over this Bloke

It would be hilarious if he is a Taxi Driver or Real Estate Agent for one of the players?!

:unamused: He raises the positivity of the forum, didnt know that was bad

so does Santa Claus

Hey leave St Nick out of this.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@Tiger Torch said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@bp tiger said:
one thing in ur notes above worries me how was MILONE put in the top 25, was he not out for the season before drinkwater left the club,seems strange to me.

Torch, do you have any idea which of our juniors (other than those mentioned) we're likely to keep? Tatola, Suli, Marsters, Stone, Jacobs, Karwhin etc?

And in general,the decision to promote Milone ahead of JAC just baffles. Neither should have been on much money, if anything JAC perhaps on more due to his far higher potential. Milone was one well connected kid.

Here's all I know at present re the above:
Milone may retire due to a recurrent knee injury but at the very least will not be in the top 25 next year! Sponsorhip expires end of year …..
Ballin is considering his future, but the club is very keen to retain him in some capacity if indeed he can't play due to injury - he will cost us $200k next year / this year $80k.
Tatola has received an offer at the same time as Felise - still no word on what he will do, has received lukewarm interest from elsewhere.
Kharwin has shown poor attitude at training minimum $80k offer has been rejected by him, don't know what he will do. Lack of genuine pace an issue.
Marsters signed up for 2 yrs and highly and regarded - trying to increase his effective minutes.
Suli, Stone & Jacobs I don't have any reliable info, I happen to know one of them personally, but still don't have anything to share.
Contrary to what has been reported the club is still trying to negotiate a settlement with Melb to release JAC. To date this appears to be the only major blunder under Pascoe's reign and as I reported previously JAC signed with Melb while Pascoe was away on extended leave from work on private business, despite leaving instructions that he wanted the final say on JAC - apparently this was not properly communicated to JAC management. JAC desperately wants to stay and be in the top 25 squad next year but this appears to be a remote chance with Melb asking for $200k comp / JAC 's 3 year Melb deal is only worth $460k + incentives.
Cherrington's deal with Penrith was withdrawn in July which was the deadline imposed based on a likely decision re Farah saga - he will move on to Cronulla on a 1 year deal / Liddle now outperforming him in all kpis.
Its important to note that next year there could be as many as 6 vacant spots ( exits: Farah; Halatau; Cherrington; Hunt; Milone; possibly Sirro) in our top 25 roster - maybe the forum should try to pick who the newbies will be will be from our existing squads / I don't anticipate a huge intake of fresh talent.
Personal view only: Robbie Farah is a WT legend no iffs or buts, but his time has come. He no longer has any support in the areas that matter perhaps apart from 1 sponsor. I have no personal relationship with Robbie and despite all I know / don't know, I respect him for what he did for us on the field. I don't want to dwell on the fact that he now has probably killed off any prospect of a role with the WTs after he retires - there would be any number I roles that I thought he could have handled quite capably. Its a real shame but needs to be resolved and Pascoe will ensure this happens as equitably as possible. Please believe me when I say the club is in good shape, it bears no resemblance to the 'inmates running the asylum' of a few years ago. No pain, no gain with a clear, transparent and binding primary objectives semi finals 2017;2018;2019.
Final word on JT's contract, technically it is true that 2017 is an option in the club's favour, but in all likelihood he will be granted this 1 yr contract exemption based on successfully resolving 'transitional issues' ( management talk for getting rid of dead wood / bad habits) and getting the team to at least equal 8th notwithstanding our poor differential. Next year its very simple ideally top 4 with a $ bonus or top 8 to receive a 2 yr extension. Failure to reach top 8 will result in immediate termination.
I've now been told 3 different contract figures for Taylor but none of them have him earning any more than $450k p.a. on his current deal, which is $200k less than what Cleary is asking.

TT left the forum with a challenge to fill the six vacancies in the top twenty five next year. Who will they be'?

liddle
B. Sironen (is he already included)
Paseka
Papenyhuyzen
Heleta
Giles or Tatola

Marstars for sure. Giles? I think not.
 
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