Ultimately it is the D...and it is on Madge...

[ATown]

I posted here at the end of last season that the defensive structures don't work. A 100 year worst run of 26 plus a game...only broken this season by a poor Knights team scoring 22.

Almost 40 today against half a QLD cup team. You can't let a few late tries hide reality. The D line folded, yet again.

I have supported Madge, but you just can't argue with stats. **This is an historically bad defensive side**, and ultimately it is on him. He has not addressed glaring issues and the yelling and kicking chairs just does not work anymore. We fold on our line, we have a winger who can't read the numbers and refuses to jump, we have bigs who leave gaps, we have bigs out on their feet after 1-2 sets of D...holes appear as soon as they are on the back foot..**.**none of this has been addressed...****

**It is his team and his system**. Ultimately, Madge has to be accountable. Today is rock bottom. We were never this bad even under really poor previous coaches. I am genuinely surprised we have sunk this low. We are now 3 wins from our last 15 games or so and have conceded 26 plus in almost all of them. If this was a rookie coach, he would be gone. I wanted Madge, was happy with his extension...but you can't argue with stats. The defense is historically bad.

I agree with most of this post but we have DEFINITELY been worse than we were today. How many times did we concede 60 to Canberra under previous coaches?

Defence is easily our number one issue and the coaching staff and players are all responsible. They are struggling to fix it and it's been this way for a long long time under many many coach's

I know what you mean...but those bad showings in Canberra were isolated things.

This has been month after month for an historically long time. And there has never been a bounce back. Even when we lost to Canberra, we'd string some D together for a few games after it.

These are the same flaws...exact same...week after week after week.

Cmon, we've had some bad seasons. We've come awfully close to the spoon not that long ago.

We’ll never get the spoon and we’ll never make the 8. It’s the epitome of depressing Rugby League purgatory.

 

[StarswithStripes]

Not many teams will score 30 points in a game and lose.

So said the great Jack Gibson. Something wrong here. Especially when starting from 22 points behind.

 

[hugh1954]

he's failed to get the players to buy in and they look like a team who are disinterested. Getting booed off the field at half-time obviously gave them some motivation but that should come from the coach. They look like they do not want to play for him. He's not a people person. His way will not work in this day and age and it is showing.

Main responsibility goes to the players please do not give them an out, just no enthusiasm in the first 20 when that should be the time they are all over the cows in defence

 

[Tcat]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Mate disagree . Our middles were lying all over them today , and we just rolled along all day long .
The moment it went to an edge , we just missed 1 on 1 defence assignments , and they were away .
Also there’s a real lack of hunger to dive on the ball , or jump for the ball , or just compete from the backs ,.
To me Jimmy is not a centre , he needs to push out to the wing . That jump from Nofa , or lack there of , if that’s not complacency well then I don’t know what it .

Of the backs in reserve grade , is there any standing out who could push forward ?

We have zero line speed in defence. As a group they take one or two steps forward and then wait from the attack to reach them. Just a terrible defensive attitude.

Yep, yep and yep. Its a joke it never changes. Can't believe it never gets addressed.

 

[voice_of_reason]

We had a similar performance when Robbie's mum died - I remember Benji in tears before kickoff. We just can't seem to rise to these emotional games.

Maybe they feel the pressure and expectation of Leichhardt?

 

[mike]

We had a similar performance when Robbie's mum died - I remember Benji in tears before kickoff. We just can't seem to rise to these emotional games.

Maybe they feel the pressure and expectation of Leichhardt?

I don’t think it has anything todo with Leichhardt

 

[lesssgo]

Mate disagree . Our middles were lying all over them today , and we just rolled along all day long .

All good, we don't have to agree. It was noticeable that even Joey said our problems started inside with AD rushing in defence whilst JTJ is passive and hangs back. Of course that's only the right, we have been equally poor on the left recently.

With regards JTJ, I'm not sure his head is in the game - he seems disinterested and not willing to put his body on the line. Nofo not jumping was shocking but he was watching the ball so I'd say he had no idea someone was coming.

As for the reserve grade team, I'll be surprised if there's not changes but no idea who. Personally I'd drop JTJ and have BJ and MBye in the centres and promote Simpkin to the bench as 14.

I think jimmy is frustrated because he isnt getting any ball! He lightning fast and we can’t push out to either centre/wings.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

 

[ElleryHanley]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

 

[Goanna57]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Well said and very true

 

[TrueTiger]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

 

[ElleryHanley]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I agree some are soft, but I also that many look clueless. Like they clearly don't know where to stand or what to do.

Classic case is Nofa...he was grounded on kicks last week. He did not leave the ground.

A good coach would have had a word and made sure he fixed that this week.

But, no, he stood with both feet planted and was out jumped. He was targeted all first half by glaring flaws that Toddy had seen / Madge has never addressed. Ultimately, that stuff is actually what a coach is paid to do.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I agree some are soft, but I also that many look clueless. Like they clearly don't know where to stand or what to do.

Classic case is Nofa...he was grounded on kicks last week. He did not leave the ground.

A good coach would have had a word and made sure he fixed that this week.

But, no, he stood with both feet planted and was out jumped. He was targeted all first half by glaring flaws that Toddy had seen / Madge has never addressed. Ultimately, that stuff is actually what a coach is paid to do.

Wrong mate...Noffa is an NRL winger that has been in the system for many years...he has to know his job by now...its like a mechanic not knowing where the starter motor is.....dont keep blaming Madge for the players deficiencies ...watch the Rorters or Storm,each player knows there job...
You and others dislike for Madge is glaringly open for all to see ...search the real reason our team is they way it is and compare our players to the top 4 teams...then you may wake up mate...

 

[hank37w]

Mate disagree . Our middles were lying all over them today , and we just rolled along all day long .

All good, we don't have to agree. It was noticeable that even Joey said our problems started inside with AD rushing in defence whilst JTJ is passive and hangs back. Of course that's only the right, we have been equally poor on the left recently.

With regards JTJ, I'm not sure his head is in the game - he seems disinterested and not willing to put his body on the line. Nofo not jumping was shocking but he was watching the ball so I'd say he had no idea someone was coming.

As for the reserve grade team, I'll be surprised if there's not changes but no idea who. Personally I'd drop JTJ and have BJ and MBye in the centres and promote Simpkin to the bench as 14.

I think jimmy is frustrated because he isnt getting any ball! He lightning fast and we can’t push out to either centre/wings.

Jimmy the Jet looked more like Jimmy the Cessna when he went after the Hammer.

Would love to see Jimmy beak through a couple of tackles and come out the other side and sprint away, but sadly, I just don't think he has it in him any more.

 

[hank37w]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I know it's early days yet but look at what Griffin has done with St.George, and they were a team plenty were tipping for the spoon.

Actually look at what Griffin was achieving at the Broncos and Penrith before he was shown the door. Don't know what he does to upset his bosses but he certainly has a knack of getting a good response from his players.

Similar thing with John Morris, he seems to be able to get his players to at least put in credible performances and it looks like Cronulla are about to punt him.

I really don't know what it is about Madge and our mob and I am not suggesting that we look at getting rid of Madge and starting all over again as we have done so many times before, but there are some really serious issues at Wests Tigers and I have no idea what the solution is.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I know it's early days yet but look at what Griffin has done with St.George, and they were a team plenty were tipping for the spoon.

Actually look at what Griffin was achieving at the Broncos and Penrith before he was shown the door. Don't know what he does to upset his bosses but he certainly has a knack of getting a good response from his players.

Similar thing with John Morris, he seems to be able to get his players to at least put in credible performances and it looks like Cronulla are about to punt him.

I really don't know what it is about Madge and our mob and I am not suggesting that we look at getting rid of Madge and starting all over again as we have done so many times before, but there are some really serious issues at Wests Tigers and I have no idea what the solution is.

I truely think that there is internal conflict that we as fans dont know about,dont know why ,but with the team we have on paper we should be at least an 8/9 side atm...
Maybe Madge coming in to change the culture of the club has met with conflict and the powers that be dont want change....dont know for sure but there is a hidden negative somewhere in the background it seems,,,,

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We haven't been defensively strong since forever. Arm grabbing tackles, no starch in the tackles. My Nana can tackle harder and she's been dead for 20 years

PJ banned.....

For that post?
Ridiculous

No, not for that.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I posted here at the end of last season that the defensive structures don't work. A 100 year worst run of 26 plus a game...only broken this season by a poor Knights team scoring 22.

Almost 40 today against half a QLD cup team. You can't let a few late tries hide reality. The D line folded, yet again.

I have supported Madge, but you just can't argue with stats. **This is an historically bad defensive side**, and ultimately it is on him. He has not addressed glaring issues and the yelling and kicking chairs just does not work anymore. We fold on our line, we have a winger who can't read the numbers and refuses to jump, we have bigs who leave gaps, we have bigs out on their feet after 1-2 sets of D...holes appear as soon as they are on the back foot..**.**none of this has been addressed...****

**It is his team and his system**. Ultimately, Madge has to be accountable. Today is rock bottom. We were never this bad even under really poor previous coaches. I am genuinely surprised we have sunk this low. We are now 3 wins from our last 15 games or so and have conceded 26 plus in almost all of them. If this was a rookie coach, he would be gone. I wanted Madge, was happy with his extension...but you can't argue with stats. The defense is historically bad.

I have supported Madge prior but also ? his approach with the players and weather he actually gets the best out of the team in general. I was happy to extend his contract for 1 year but the club decided 2 maybe we should start also ? the CEO as he had been around longer with no finals played.

Today was a Historical day for the club a joint merger of Balmain & Magpies fans to honour someone that was over looked for the original coaching position over a coach that could not motivate his son to play for us.

I think in reality Tommy gave us the bird today and rightly so, i never saw the club make much effort in recognizing him until all the fan fare today after his passing.

The players in general are not playing for us but themselves its all about $ nowadays.

This is the most woeful performance i have ever seen from the club the ramifications will be that a number of long term members will motivate there time to doing other things than watch the football live again, i know i will in future.

Enjoyed the forum banter online but there are better things to do in future than support an over rated Club, Coach and team mostly full of NRL pretenders apart from a few.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I agree some are soft, but I also that many look clueless. Like they clearly don't know where to stand or what to do.

Classic case is Nofa...he was grounded on kicks last week. He did not leave the ground.

A good coach would have had a word and made sure he fixed that this week.

But, no, he stood with both feet planted and was out jumped. He was targeted all first half by glaring flaws that Toddy had seen / Madge has never addressed. Ultimately, that stuff is actually what a coach is paid to do.

Wrong mate...Noffa is an NRL winger that has been in the system for many years...he has to know his job by now...its like a mechanic not knowing where the starter motor is.....dont keep blaming Madge for the players deficiencies ...watch the Rorters or Storm,each player knows there job...
You and others dislike for Madge is glaringly open for all to see ...search the real reason our team is they way it is and compare our players to the top 4 teams...then you may wake up mate...

Nofo should give up the tool box after today.
He was clearly targeted based upon what payten had seen and the way Madge condenses the defense early on.

Madge was out coached today from a rookie coach that had never won a game with the cowboys missing a host of experienced players.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just can't defend the edges


Our edge defence starts in the middle; we're not holding the middle which then drags players in to cover leaving overlaps wide.

If you analysed every (wide) try tonight I'll guarantee there was an overlap. We're also very susceptible to an offload - we don't lock up the ball well enough..

We're regularly short on both edges so either the defensive structure is wrong or we're simply not able to implement it.

Excellent analysis mate.

Twal came in several times today last man and went low when the ball was in a carrying arm...he had a clear shot at the ball, but left it. One led straight to a try. Same last week.

Either he (and most of them) don't understand how to play D (hard to believe) or they are coached not to wrap up the ball.

I couldnt be bothered reading through all the expert analisis of todays loss....all of a sudden its sack Madge,the D is disgraceful,no middle go forward etc etc etc ...
Why hasnt anyone bagged Hartigan, he is the recruitment guru,Pascoe he is ceo and I thought all made desicions to benefit the club...
Lets blame the coach for players that havent got the intestinal fortitude or brains to play NRL,but just be show ponies because they have a contract with an NRL club..
Sign a contract and get paid every week win ,lose ,or draw...as long as I get paid...

should go back to the old traditional days of real RUGBY LEAGUE ,,,win you get paid loss or draw you get nothing....watch their attitude change real quick...

REAL RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYERS LIKE T.RAUDONIKAS ARE HEROS,,,NRL players are show ponies in a stage show,turn up each week,poor or good performance and get paid....JOKE....

"All of a sudden"......you lost me there mate. It has been 18 games straight.

Defend the coach if you want, but ultimately it is his job to coach them / teach them. I am probably as old as you sound, so I appreciate the old style motivation stuff you suggest...

But it is 2021. It does not work.

Yes your right ,but how many players have we turned over to get the ones we need...everbody said at the preseason how well the club has done cleaning out the cupboard and recruiting well.....it doesnt show on the scoreboard mate,and I have been around for a while and played the game...blame the coach all you like.if the cattle arent good enough they will show the coach up...who would want to be an NRL coach these days with the pussie blokes they have to coach...

I agree some are soft, but I also that many look clueless. Like they clearly don't know where to stand or what to do.

Classic case is Nofa...he was grounded on kicks last week. He did not leave the ground.

A good coach would have had a word and made sure he fixed that this week.

But, no, he stood with both feet planted and was out jumped. He was targeted all first half by glaring flaws that Toddy had seen / Madge has never addressed. Ultimately, that stuff is actually what a coach is paid to do.

Wrong mate...Noffa is an NRL winger that has been in the system for many years...he has to know his job by now...its like a mechanic not knowing where the starter motor is.....dont keep blaming Madge for the players deficiencies ...watch the Rorters or Storm,each player knows there job...
You and others dislike for Madge is glaringly open for all to see ...search the real reason our team is they way it is and compare our players to the top 4 teams...then you may wake up mate...

Nofo should give up the tool box after today.
He was clearly targeted based upon what payten had seen and the way Madge condenses the defense early on.

Madge was out coached today from a rookie coach that had never won a game with the cowboys missing a host of experienced players.

I think Toddy knows our players weaknesses way more than Madge....he had the upper hand today....