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Why is Cleary deemed to be a more respected coach than a Taylor? Their coaching feats are just about on a par. I think people are always overrating Cleary purely because of his calm demeanour -his coaching record is really not all that great, imo.
Really, or par?
Cleary made a GF with the Warriors and a PF with the Panthers.
Statistically they are 2 of the lower ranked clubs in the game.
So it is a stretch to say their coaching records are on par.
Yep. And Taylor got Parra to the semis after taking over mid-season and got Souths to their first semis in yonks. Not saying he's better, but I'm not confident there's much difference.
Granted Cleary did really well at the Warriors, but apart from one decent season, his time with a highly talented Penrith team was pretty poor, imo. And as Masterson has pointed out, Taylor got 2 of the generally poorer teams in Souths & Parra to the finals in his time there as well. He also did pretty well working alongside Trent Robinson to get the Roosters a Premiership in more recent times.
Sure statistically Cleary looks to be and probably is a better coach, but I really don't think the gap between them is as big as many people seem to believe. It's not like we're comparing Taylor's credentials to Bennett's or Bellamy's here! I also really think another disruption to the coaching ranks would be detrimental to the team right now - they need some stability.
Ivan Cleary coached 264 games (2006-2015), won 126, drew 3, win rate 47.7%.
JT to date coached 141 games (2006-2017), won 61, drew 1, win rate 43.3%.
So win-wise Cleary is ahead, but it's not as if Cleary has a great record.
At Warriors Cleary's results: 10th, 4th, 8th, 14th, 5th, 6th (GF).
At Panthers Cleary's results: 15th, 10th, 4th, 11th.
So overall he's coached teams to finals 5/10 seasons = 50% with one GF.
Taylor's results: 8th (Parra), 7th, 14th, 10th (Souths), 15th, 9th (Tigers).
That's 2 finals out of 6 = 33%. Tigers jag 8th last year and he's up to 50%.
Personally I'd say there's not a lot between them in terms of results. You'd have to look at the cattle and everything, but JT took over a reasonable Parra side (minor premiers the year before, despite a worse 2006), a shocking Souths side (3 wooden spoons in the previous 4 years), and a poor Tigers side (3 years since finals).
Warriors had missed two finals series in a row before Cleary but made the GF 4 years prior. Penrith made only 1 finals out of 7 attempts, but 2 years prior to Cleary joining they finished the season at 2nd.
