We should have kept Paul Momirovski.

[cochise]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

AD is not a good fullback.

 

[tigertuff]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

AD is not a good fullback.

I agree but if he was the best we had in the club for that position at the time then thats where he plays or promote the next best kid in the club. Thats what the good clubs do.

 

[mikey]

would momo get us in the 8 this year?
no
will laurie next year after a years of combos and exo?
possibly

and i loved momo when he was here

Getting Lauire was good, yes; but Momo would've help get us there by not leaking like an 80 year-old with bladder issues, which is our backline's problem.

 

[Tiger5150]

You know how well we are going when we have a momorovski lament thread lol.

Yep … our centre’s are killing it

Who was a shining light in our team this year? Answer question and you may have the answer to the OG question.

STEFANO UTOIKAMANU..

Actually I agree with you there.....Laurie not far behind (which was my point obvs)

 

[Tiger5150]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

 

[tigertuff]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

 

[jirskyr]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

 

[cochise]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

AD is not a good fullback.

I agree but if he was the best we had in the club for that position at the time then thats where he plays or promote the next best kid in the club. Thats what the good clubs do.

The good clubs would get a better fullback.

 

[TigerTone]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

 

[cochise]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

We released Momo to get Laurie for 21, I'm pretty sure we didn't have momo signed for 22 did we?

 

[Tiger5150]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

 

[hsvjones]

We were getting Laurie anyway, and he would had have a year with one of the best teams under his belt, and big game experience. And we'd have a right centre. And then Kepaoa/Gildart/Talau fighting for left centre. Instead we fought for the eight and didn't even make it. I know this is hindsight bias but I can't help but think we should have played the long game with this one.

Not for me as we I think we made the best call long term..
We got Laurie 1 year early and he played pretty much every game this year in 1st grade and that experience alone will go a long way in his development. If he stayed he would not be playing 1st grade or even footy at all with COVID and no reserve grade. He will come into next year with the confidence he can handle NRL and the weekly grind..
Lets be honest this year was always a development year for us with our cap problems and one of the youngest teams in the NRL so nothing lost but a year gained for experience..

 

[mikey]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.


The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

No argument there. In hindsight, I will never know how we thought that.
Still, I didn't want to lose Momo and said that at the time, especially with Jimmy being recruited - I had a feeling that wasn't going to work out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
***The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.***
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022, we got Laurie for 2021. We cant have Laurie and Momo in 2021, Laurie strengthens the team.

BJ played for us in 2020. That story that Momo left because BJ was told he was guaranteed 1st grade kinda falls apart with the fact that BJ was dropped to reggies in 2021? How does BJ playing reggies fit in that fairy tale.

If Momo left so he didnt have to compete for his position, then good riddance.

 

[tigertuff]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out for 12 months as he was coming anyway. In my opinion we are crying out for defensive centres and we had one on minimum wage that did a good job for us and in my opinion was getting better. We have let in 676 points this year. Daine is good but he is not going to make us 676 points better. Lets hope this Gildart is something or we will be going around in circles again.

 

[TigerTone]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

We released Momo to get Laurie for 21, I'm pretty sure we didn't have momo signed for 22 did we?

Momo left cause we signed BJ otherwise he
wouldve signed on to stay 22 and beyond.
It had nothing to do with Laurie.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out ***for 12 months as he was coming anyway.***

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022. Can you imagine if we left Laurie at Pamfers to keep Momo and then Momo left next year? How would that strengthen things.

We were stronger team with Laurie and no Momo than Momo at centre and no Laurie.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

We released Momo to get Laurie for 21, I'm pretty sure we didn't have momo signed for 22 did we?

Momo left cause we signed BJ otherwise he
wouldve signed on to stay 22 and beyond.
It had nothing to do with Laurie.

BJ signed with the Tigers Jan 2020, so he leaves a year later? BJ was dropped to reggies in 2021what part of that fits in the fairy tale?

If Momo left so he didnt have to fight for his position, then Im glad he left.

 

[jirskyr]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

Mommers was the trade that Penrith would accept to get Laurie early. We offered Penrith cash, they wanted a player. Ivan signed Mommers to Tigers, it makes sense he would still rate him. As @Tiger5150 said, BJ was signed before the 2020 season, so there can't be an argument that Mommers left because BJ joined - the actions were 12 months apart.

 

[jirskyr]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out for 12 months as he was coming anyway. In my opinion we are crying out for defensive centres and we had one on minimum wage that did a good job for us and in my opinion was getting better. We have let in 676 points this year. Daine is good but he is not going to make us 676 points better. Lets hope this Gildart is something or we will be going around in circles again.

Imagine playing Mbye your first-choice fullback for the entire 2021 season. It's at least some shining light that Laurie not only played, but he played well and comes back next year.

Why would anyone hold a Momirovski trade to delay the development of Daine Laurie? Madness. We finished the year in a non-ideal situation but Tommy Talau, BJ, Jimmy Jet should have been able to hold the position for 2021. Even Mbye, Doueihi played there; there was an entirely separate issue that we couldn't settle on halves and Jock Madden did not kick on; furthermore the ongoing COVID issue with reserve and junior players not getting enough game time.