Wests Tigers sign Junior Kiwi...

[bigsiro]

In regards to 1 or 2 signings that I'd trade for surplus NSW Cup players that we keep signing; I am not asking for a Taumololo, Burgess or Waerea-Hargreaves but someone who has a bit of class, won't cost the world and has some experience. Kinda like a second/third/fourth-tier player like Beau Scott, Matulino, Klemmer, Tim Browne, anyone from NQ, etc.

Not that those specific guys are available right now (even though in this day of worthless contracts everyone is kinda available all the time), it's just the level of player I am referring to.

Anyway, I agree that Aloioi is a handy signing with a lot of upside and how can I possibly be unhappy if we land a bargain? I definitely want us to be scouting and signing undiscovered talent and just hope that when we unearth their talent we can keep them unlike Taupau or Fifita!

 

[tigeress]

This sort of signing is good, predominantly a reserve grade signing with huge potential upside.
This is the sort of player thst mid way through the year the forum will be calling for to get a shot in NRL.
If he kicks on will be very handy.

Well said, Goose! I do not know, who the high quality players are, that some posters want the Tigers to buy. Some posters ask for these players to be listed, but it NEVER happens. Why Not? Probably, because there are none available.
I think the building of a team, where the bulk of NRL players grow and progress through the various team levels within the Club builds the best culture. Wests Tigers have the basis to do this.

Good posts :smiley:
It will probably take a few seasons for these young blokes to "blossom" but as long as we have the right coaching staff this should happen 😛ray: as long as they stay keen, like a lot of the young blokes we have at the moment, one thing that strikes me about them is that they seem keen, not jaded like some of the original players have become. :frowning: Lets keep positive.
I think the club is on the right track moving some of these players on, don't forget a lot of us have been asking for this "cleanout" for years :righton:

 

[andrew 474]

Mate of mine who is a mad parra fan reckons we have got a good young player in this fellow , he reckons NRL level in 12 months

 

[balmain boy]

In regards to 1 or 2 signings that I'd trade for surplus NSW Cup players that we keep signing; I am not asking for a Taumololo, Burgess or Waerea-Hargreaves but someone who has a bit of class, won't cost the world and has some experience. Kinda like a second/third/fourth-tier player like Beau Scott, Matulino, Klemmer, Tim Browne, anyone from NQ, etc.

Not that those specific guys are available right now (even though in this day of worthless contracts everyone is kinda available all the time), it's just the level of player I am referring to.

Anyway, I agree that Aloioi is a handy signing with a lot of upside and how can I possibly be unhappy if we land a bargain? I definitely want us to be scouting and signing undiscovered talent and just hope that when we unearth their talent we can keep them unlike Taupau or Fifita!

Mate, sorry but you seem utterly clueless about nrl squads, salary caps and even player quality.

Your suggestions for 2nd/3rd/4th tier players include 2 current state of origin players and a kiwi international! Lol, you're delusional…

Put it this way. At the end of the 2015 season we had perhaps 8-10 players at most contracted for the nsw cup in 2016\. We probably need about 20-25 players in this squad in total. Some fringe nrl players drop down to add some numbers, the rest needed to be recruited from outside the club. Or else we don't have a squad and forfeit our reserve grade team.

You don't sign elite players, especially not like the ones you've mentioned, to a nsw cup side! The salary cap for the nsw cup side isn't that big so most players are on pretty average deals, with incentives. And we've done an excellent job in signing a lot of fringe players with the potential to pay a lot of NRL. Our NSW Cup side had very few of these players last year, hence why we had so little depth.

Of our recruits probably only Edwards and Ballin are on NRL contracts. There is no room for big purchases in the 2016 NRL cap as has been said a million times by everyone.

 

[Goose]

In regards to 1 or 2 signings that I'd trade for surplus NSW Cup players that we keep signing; I am not asking for a Taumololo, Burgess or Waerea-Hargreaves but someone who has a bit of class, won't cost the world and has some experience. Kinda like a second/third/fourth-tier player like Beau Scott, Matulino, Klemmer, Tim Browne, anyone from NQ, etc.

Not that those specific guys are available right now (even though in this day of worthless contracts everyone is kinda available all the time), it's just the level of player I am referring to.

Anyway, I agree that Aloioi is a handy signing with a lot of upside and how can I possibly be unhappy if we land a bargain? I definitely want us to be scouting and signing undiscovered talent and just hope that when we unearth their talent we can keep them unlike Taupau or Fifita!

Scott just signed for Parra on a huge deal, reported as $600k a season (which I doubt) but great money none the less and Klemmer just after his first grade debut was being shopped around for $300K a season, (which I know to be true), it would take big money to move him (real big). I assume Matulino would demand a decent contract also, Id have him in the top half dozen front rowers running around.

I really like Tim Browne and agree he would be a good signing. He'd be close to the best player not in a clubs top 17 in 2015 (big call I know).

 

[Yossarian]

This sort of signing is good, predominantly a reserve grade signing with huge potential upside.
This is the sort of player thst mid way through the year the forum will be calling for to get a shot in NRL.
If he kicks on will be very handy.

If he kicks on we'll release him as soon as his manager gets him a better offer…

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I gave up on expecting marquee signings long long ago

Our last marquee signing was Adam Blair!!!!!!!

Perhaps …. However our previous CEO Grant Mayer proudly declared the resigning of Aaron Woods as a marquee signing.

Hope this signing goes well. Have never heard of him but hope he takes his chance to make it here.

A lot of our problem is far too many of our potential talent is on marquee money for their current level of ability. Woods and Tedesco are worth such money (Woods maybe not if you go on the Wayne Bennett prop pay scale) but I would hazard to say that we have another 3-6 local junior being paid vastly above their current level of abilities.

 

[balmain boy]

We have always had to pay overs for all of our players. Most crap clubs do. That's why they're always breaching the cap, while the big rorters are somehow ok. No one really wants to go to the bottom or poorly run clubs, but if they offer $100-150k more then they might.

If we were to sign a marquee in 2017 we'd be paying well over market value for them. Any marquee will have the option of a number of better clubs than us. Why would you take the same money to play for a worse club if you're that good a player?

We even overpay our juniors who have loyalty to the club, but again if offered the same money to play for us or the Roosters/Storm/Manly etc we will struggle to keep them. That's why we have to pay overs. Until we're a more unsuccessful club off the park, and then on the park, we won't have a chance to sign top players for market value.

 

[stevetiger]

A lot of our problem is far too many of our potential talent is on marquee money for their current level of ability. Woods and Tedesco are worth such money (Woods maybe not if you go on the Wayne Bennett prop pay scale) but I would hazard to say that we have another 3-6 local junior being paid vastly above their current level of abilities.

I'm concerned that we have Woods on marquee dollars as well. I don't believe he has proven himself to be a game winner. Consistent metre eater - yes - but not at Teddy's level for instance.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

So Fafita and Taupau are marquee players and Woods is not :bash
Go figure.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

We have always had to pay overs for all of our players. Most crap clubs do. That's why they're always breaching the cap, while the big rorters are somehow ok. No one really wants to go to the bottom or poorly run clubs, but if they offer $100-150k more then they might.

If we were to sign a marquee in 2017 we'd be paying well over market value for them. Any marquee will have the option of a number of better clubs than us. Why would you take the same money to play for a worse club if you're that good a player?

We even overpay our juniors who have loyalty to the club, but again if offered the same money to play for us or the Roosters/Storm/Manly etc we will struggle to keep them. That's why we have to pay overs. Until we're a more unsuccessful club off the park, and then on the park, we won't have a chance to sign top players for market value.

I don't believe the issue is the amount we pay them, it is how we pay them. Wealthier clubs with greater means use TPAs ie pay the same or more with less from the cap more from TPAs. This is where our new administration comes into attracting more TPAs.

 

[stevetiger]

So Fafita and Taupau are marquee players and Woods is not :bash
Go figure.

Are they ? I'm not sure. On their day they can both win games. Woods is more consistent but has less of an impact.

 

[Geo]

So Fafita and Taupau are marquee players and Woods is not :bash
Go figure.

Are they ? I'm not sure. On their day they can both win games. Woods is more consistent but has less of an impact.

Who are the Marquee Players in the comp IYO…? And of them How many changed Clubs...?

 

[stevetiger]

So Fafita and Taupau are marquee players and Woods is not :bash
Go figure.

Are they ? I'm not sure. On their day they can both win games. Woods is more consistent but has less of an impact.

Who are the Marquee Players in the comp IYO…? And of them How many changed Clubs...?

I don't know where you draw the line. I don't think many change clubs. I can't think of many that just move so easily which seems to be what a lot of posters on here expect.

Inglis changed clubs but he had too because Melbourne got caught. Was Anasta a marquee signing for us ? At one point he was a big name and he left the dogs for the roosters. I suppose the Morris brothers have changed clubs and the qld player (Boyd) who is in love with Bennet. Benji was a marquee player but probably more like Anasta when he left.

I just don't see our recruitment as being that bad. Maybe we are after signing solid first graders. Blair was a solid first grader and he went okay for us but we paid overs and I don't think we got value for money.

I think Tedesco is a marquee player but probably on the lower level because he is definitely not a SOO regular. Woods is good but I think he fell away this season and I think what he offers is not going to win you a premiership.

Hayne was a marquee player.

 

[balmain boy]

We have always had to pay overs for all of our players. Most crap clubs do. That's why they're always breaching the cap, while the big rorters are somehow ok. No one really wants to go to the bottom or poorly run clubs, but if they offer $100-150k more then they might.

If we were to sign a marquee in 2017 we'd be paying well over market value for them. Any marquee will have the option of a number of better clubs than us. Why would you take the same money to play for a worse club if you're that good a player?

We even overpay our juniors who have loyalty to the club, but again if offered the same money to play for us or the Roosters/Storm/Manly etc we will struggle to keep them. That's why we have to pay overs. Until we're a more unsuccessful club off the park, and then on the park, we won't have a chance to sign top players for market value.

I don't believe the issue is the amount we pay them, it is how we pay them. Wealthier clubs with greater means use TPAs ie pay the same or more with less from the cap more from TPAs. This is where our new administration comes into attracting more TPAs.

This is true. I despise the existence of TPA's as it's merely a legal way for certain clubs to rort the cap. And as such makes the cap somewhat redundant.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

We have always had to pay overs for all of our players. Most crap clubs do. That's why they're always breaching the cap, while the big rorters are somehow ok. No one really wants to go to the bottom or poorly run clubs, but if they offer $100-150k more then they might.

If we were to sign a marquee in 2017 we'd be paying well over market value for them. Any marquee will have the option of a number of better clubs than us. Why would you take the same money to play for a worse club if you're that good a player?

We even overpay our juniors who have loyalty to the club, but again if offered the same money to play for us or the Roosters/Storm/Manly etc we will struggle to keep them. That's why we have to pay overs. Until we're a more unsuccessful club off the park, and then on the park, we won't have a chance to sign top players for market value.

I don't believe the issue is the amount we pay them, it is how we pay them. Wealthier clubs with greater means use TPAs ie pay the same or more with less from the cap more from TPAs. This is where our new administration comes into attracting more TPAs.

This is true. I despise the existence of TPA's as it's merely a legal way for certain clubs to rort the cap. And as such makes the cap somewhat redundant.

To be honest TPA's is legal way to cheat the salary cap and has been for a long time. We would not have salary cap issues if we had the same level of TPA's as Souths, Broncos, Bulldogs, Eagles, Storm and Roosters have, we would also have a far better roster.

A poster in another forum says if you board can't attract a good to high level of TPA's you have the wrong people on the board. My question is since the new board come in has our TPA's grown? Do the people on this board have the business contacts to bring in a lot more TPA's?

If they don't and this is the way to improve your playing roster and manage your salary cap (ie pay you players over the salary cap legally and thus having better players), do we need a new board?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Marquee players :slight_smile:
Funny how 'highly successful' teams like Titans and Eals sign every marquee on the market,
and 'poor and unsuccessfull' team like Storm never attracted any marquee ?
Go figure :crazy

 

[Snake]

We have always had to pay overs for all of our players. Most crap clubs do. That's why they're always breaching the cap, while the big rorters are somehow ok. No one really wants to go to the bottom or poorly run clubs, but if they offer $100-150k more then they might.

If we were to sign a marquee in 2017 we'd be paying well over market value for them. Any marquee will have the option of a number of better clubs than us. Why would you take the same money to play for a worse club if you're that good a player?

We even overpay our juniors who have loyalty to the club, but again if offered the same money to play for us or the Roosters/Storm/Manly etc we will struggle to keep them. That's why we have to pay overs. Until we're a more unsuccessful club off the park, and then on the park, we won't have a chance to sign top players for market value.

I don't believe the issue is the amount we pay them, it is how we pay them. Wealthier clubs with greater means use TPAs ie pay the same or more with less from the cap more from TPAs. This is where our new administration comes into attracting more TPAs.

This is true. I despise the existence of TPA's as it's merely a legal way for certain clubs to rort the cap. And as such makes the cap somewhat redundant.

To be honest TPA's is legal way to cheat the salary cap and has been for a long time. We would not have salary cap issues if we had the same level of TPA's as Souths, Broncos, Bulldogs, Eagles, Storm and Roosters have, we would also have a far better roster.

A poster in another forum says if you board can't attract a good to high level of TPA's you have the wrong people on the board. My question is since the new board come in has our TPA's grown? Do the people on this board have the business contacts to bring in a lot more TPA's?

If they don't and this is the way to improve your playing roster and manage your salary cap (ie pay you players over the salary cap legally and thus having better players), do we need a new board?

One of the country's richest men support the club ,so now not in a sponsorship roll if he really supports the club I would imagine there will be a few TPAS thrown around time will tell.