What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Balmain merged with Wests because on that night we as members were told that we would not make the top 14 sides to go into the 2000 season remember the CRITERIA. Well when the rankings came out after we had decided to merge Balmain had come in at 14 because Norths were broke. At the time we were sponsored by Meriton and Harry was putting money into the club while the maggies were gone thats right dead, so take a lesson and be humble don't bs parra had no chance merging with the tigers.

No doubt that had Balmain stayed its own entity we would have only made up the numbers today and I will tell you this today no one gives a crap about Balmain or Wests those days are GONE be proud of where you came from but it is time to move on and let go.

The Wests Tigers have won a premiership and Iwas around to see it thats whats important not your trivial one eyed rubbish that accounts for nothing. Get a life and appreciate what you have you bunch of clowns

I agree with almost everything you have written here, however a couple of things in the background:

1\. Balmain had an offer on the table from Parramatta
2\. Wests had an offer on the table from Canterbury

It is easy to say in hindsight that there was no chance Parramatta would have merged with Balmain, but that is only because Wests and Balmain started negotiating. If Wests went with Canterbury, Balmain would have either gone to Parra, folded or as you say, hung around and made up the numbers.

I agree no on gives a cr*p anymore, but no one, be they from the Balmain or West side of the fence can come on here and say "we saved you." If you don't remember the above, you probably don't remember Denis Fitzgerald blowing up when news of the Balmain/Wests merger was released. He basically claimed the joint venture would fold as it was essentially two weak clubs becoming one large weak club.

We were not very strong when we started and we blew the $4m given to us by the NRL. We have now managed to get our office in order, implement a solid junior program, won a premiership and we are now one of the largest clubs in Sydney. I certainly prefer the current scenario to any other alternative, but would prefer to see us play 6 games at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown as we did in the early years. That is my only gripe with the merger.

 

[tiger4ever]

GNR4LIFE You really need a lesson in facts if you gonna take aim at Balmain understand this, I voted on the merger and very proud of who we are now but your response holds very little substance.

Balmain merged with Wests because on that night we as members were told that we would not make the top 14 sides to go into the 2000 season remember the CRITERIA. Well when the rankings came out after we had decided to merge Balmain had come in at 14 because Norths were broke. At the time we were sponsored by Meriton and Harry was putting money into the club while the maggies were gone thats right dead, so take a lesson and be humble don't bs parra had no chance merging with the tigers.

No doubt that had Balmain stayed its own entity we would have only made up the numbers today and I will tell you this today no one gives a crap about Balmain or Wests those days are GONE be proud of where you came from but it is time to move on and let go.

The Wests Tigers have won a premiership and Iwas around to see it thats whats important not your trivial one eyed rubbish that accounts for nothing. Get a life and appreciate what you have you bunch of clowns

We merged simply cause when they had the criteria west were getting booted out of the comp and not for the first time either and balmain decided to merge because the nrl were going to cut more teams in the years to follow (which they didnt end up doing)and we were near the bottom of the pack so we decided for the long term it would be better to merge to stay alive.In the end we couldve stayed as a stand alone club but we wouldnt have been competitive.Isnt it funny how green4ife says wests cant have their say …...every thread like this is started by a ex magpie fan not balmain.

In the end im glad we joined so get over it magpie fans be grateful.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Balmain merged with Wests because on that night we as members were told that we would not make the top 14 sides to go into the 2000 season remember the CRITERIA. Well when the rankings came out after we had decided to merge Balmain had come in at 14 because Norths were broke. At the time we were sponsored by Meriton and Harry was putting money into the club while the maggies were gone thats right dead, so take a lesson and be humble don't bs parra had no chance merging with the tigers.

No doubt that had Balmain stayed its own entity we would have only made up the numbers today and I will tell you this today no one gives a crap about Balmain or Wests those days are GONE be proud of where you came from but it is time to move on and let go.

The Wests Tigers have won a premiership and Iwas around to see it thats whats important not your trivial one eyed rubbish that accounts for nothing. Get a life and appreciate what you have you bunch of clowns

I agree with almost everything you have written here, however a couple of things in the background:

1\. Balmain had an offer on the table from Parramatta
2\. Wests had an offer on the table from Canterbury

It is easy to say in hindsight that there was no chance Parramatta would have merged with Balmain, but that is only because Wests and Balmain started negotiating. If Wests went with Canterbury, Balmain would have either gone to Parra, folded or as you say, hung around and made up the numbers.

I agree no on gives a cr*p anymore, but no one, be they from the Balmain or West side of the fence can come on here and say "we saved you." If you don't remember the above, you probably don't remember Denis Fitzgerald blowing up when news of the Balmain/Wests merger was released. He basically claimed the joint venture would fold as it was essentially two weak clubs becoming one large weak club.

We were not very strong when we started and we blew the $4m given to us by the NRL. We have now managed to get our office in order, implement a solid junior program, won a premiership and we are now one of the largest clubs in Sydney. **I certainly prefer the current scenario to any other alternative, but would prefer to see us play 6 games at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown as we did in the early years. That is my only gripe with the merger.**

As do I, but it works in WT best interests financially to play four games there and to be honest, I'll watch them play wherever, whenever. If it ensures financialy solvency I am all for it, and I much prefer the SFS to that dump in Homebush.

If we are to have a sole NSW Cup team, it should be Wests Tigers, as such in the NYC and NRL. I don't have an issue if they are based out of Campbelltown, considering a large contingent of our current juniors playing FG are indeed from the Macarthur area. The only obvious contradiction would be that a single NSW Cup entity would have fringe first graders with top 25 contracts, of which they'd be expected to train at least in part with the FG squad at Concord.

The issue I have with the current setup is that we are essentially fielding two sides, one of which is filled with players who are FG hopefuls and the other who are making up the numbers (at the behest of Herr Sheens.) From the outside looking in, in it's current form, if you are in WT plans you will be playing for BRET and if not, you're left to Wests and thanks for coming.

It seems logical that there be only one pathway: WT NYC > WT NSW Cup > WT FG. I couldn't care less whether the NSW Cup team is filled with Wests or Balmain juniors, just as long as we are filling that side with the best players, and we're not leading some down the garden path by placing them in a State Cup side where they basically know they have no opportunity to find their way into FG (e.g Magpies this year.) With the way the State Cup teams have been set up this year, it looks as if Sheens is pushing for a single entity to happen.

 

[Yossarian]

GNR4LIFE You really need a lesson in facts if you gonna take aim at Balmain understand this, I voted on the merger and very proud of who we are now but your response holds very little substance.

Balmain merged with Wests because on that night we as members were told that we would not make the top 14 sides to go into the 2000 season remember the CRITERIA. Well when the rankings came out after we had decided to merge Balmain had come in at 14 because Norths were broke. At the time we were sponsored by Meriton and Harry was putting money into the club while the maggies were gone thats right dead, so take a lesson and be humble don't bs parra had no chance merging with the tigers.

No doubt that had Balmain stayed its own entity we would have only made up the numbers today and I will tell you this today no one gives a crap about Balmain or Wests those days are GONE be proud of where you came from but it is time to move on and let go.

The Wests Tigers have won a premiership and Iwas around to see it thats whats important not your trivial one eyed rubbish that accounts for nothing. Get a life and appreciate what you have you bunch of clowns

We merged simply cause when they had the criteria west were getting booted out of the comp and not for the first time either and balmain decided to merge because the nrl were going to cut more teams in the years to follow (which they didnt end up doing)and we were near the bottom of the pack so we decided for the long term it would be better to merge to stay alive.In the end we couldve stayed as a stand alone club but we wouldnt have been competitive.Isnt it funny how green4ife says wests cant have their say …...every thread like this is started by a ex magpie fan not balmain.

In the end im glad we joined so get over it magpie fans be grateful.

That seems like a good appraisal of the situation. Some of these Magpie diehards are all against bias except when it is their favour. Then it's a good thing. Fact is, the club needs the support/revenue etc generated by both parts of our club.

 

[tiger4ever]

Yes but its guys like galAhs green4life and bakerloo who just dont get it.

I dont start these threads and never would but i do still have passion for my old club but im happy for us to merge our nsw cup teams specially when the league makes a decent reserve grade competition and they will play where ever our first grade plays on the day.

Oh and bakerloo i realise your original home ground was at pratten park but before you moved to c-town it was lidcombe so dont have a dummy spit or as you put it throw all your plush toys out of your cot.Oh and we didnt blow 4 mil we blew 8 mil so as you put it get your facts right

Bakerloo as i said in a earlier post dont mention the past cause it will only embaress your old club where we have a succesful history winning 11 competitions compare to 4 lol.

As ive said before also if newtown didnt get shafted by the nswrl newtown would have had the c-town area so thanks your lucky stars

Actually the mix of balmain and wests juniors in our side in nsw cup is quite even and out of the regular first graders wests do have more but considering you guys rave on about that area there is only 4 players that come from your inherited area.

YOSS they have very short memorys.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Yes but its guys like galAhs green4life and bakerloo who just dont get it.

I dont start these threads and never would but i do still have passion for my old club but im happy for us to merge our nsw cup teams specially when the league makes a decent reserve grade competition and they will play where ever our first grade plays on the day.

Oh and bakerloo i realise your original home ground was at pratten park but before you moved to c-town it was lidcombe so dont have a dummy spit or as you put it throw all your plush toys out of your cot.Oh and we didnt blow 4 mil we blew 8 mil so as you put it get your facts right

Bakerloo as i said in a earlier post dont mention the past cause it will only embaress your old club where we have a succesful history winning 11 competitions compare to 4 lol.

As ive said before also if newtown didnt get shafted by the nswrl newtown would have had the c-town area so thanks your lucky stars

Actually the mix of balmain and wests juniors in our side in nsw cup is quite even and out of the regular first graders wests do have more but considering you guys rave on about that area there is only 4 players that come from your inherited area.

YOSS they have very short memorys.

$8m. I stand corrected.

Counting premierships…...seriously, why don't you go support Souths that way you can use that argument with every club.

Newtown (and Wests) was shafted in 1983 by the NSWRL in response to introducing Canberra and Illawarra. Newtown tried to gain reinstatement by moving to Campbelltown but actually ran out of cash and could not afford the permanent move to Campbelltown. Newtown was actually asset rich, but had no cash flow.

Wests still had the financial resources to begin the transition to Campbelltown from 1985.

In any case, please refer to my post above. You seem to forget the circumstances of 1999 and how Wests and Balmain found each other. Takeovers from Canterbury and Parramatta respectively were a real possibility for both clubs. I am glad they found each other in a joint venture sense, but completely disagree with anyone from either side of the fence stating, "we saved you" or as you say, "Wests fans should be thankful" in a view that Balmain did a charitable thing. It complete ignores landscape of rugby league in 1998 and 1999 and the fact that both clubs were on the downhill slope to oblivion from 1993 onwards.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

thank you Tigers05 and Tigers4ever you have proved my point…like i was saying in my first post theres a section of ex-Balmain fans (especially you Tigers4ever) who think of this as a takeover and think Balmain's s^&t don't stink and think of Wests as second class citizins...you carry on like Wests have nothing when the truth is they are the backbone of the merger...seriously wat do Balmain have? a leagues club thats almost gone under 5 times and a relic home ground that will be lucky to still see the light of day in 10 yrs...real impressive...Wests have 2 leagues clubs and the second biggest junior base in the comp...a junior area that is still growing may i add...Tigers4ever who are you to tell me to be grateful?...in other words your telling me to shut my mouth about wanting things to be equal and just be glad i have a team to support coz we 'saved your ass'...thats kind of like bringing in a homeless man off the street and not feeding him or giving him anywhere to sleep and he complains about it and gets told 'be grateful we saved you'...you gotta remember everything you say is hitting a nerve with ppl coz its something close to their heart...as Bug said earlier all we want is equlity and considering this is a suppose to b a joint venture,and is suppose to be 50-50 wat the hell is wrong with wanting that?...and as far as the junior area is concerned you seem to be very critical when any Wests fan brings it up but would you part with it? im guessing not...and wat does the time Wests were there before the merger have to with anything?... doesn't matter if Wests were there 15 yrs or 15 mins it still belongs to Wests

 

[Yossarian]

I'm not going to get involved in a Balmain v Wests thing - it's been done to death and it's counter-productive. The problem is, people like Bug don't want 50/50, they want the Campbelltown area to be given priority. A few other points:

There was never a real possibility Balmain would merge/be taken over by Parramatta. That was all a dream Dennis Fitzgerald had. There was no members vote and as I recall the board dismissed it straight away. Likewise I think the whole Canterbury/Wests thing was more a media monster than anything.

Yes both clubs were on the slide but you can't compare the situations Balmain and Wests were in. Balmain would have made the criteria, Wests were broke and well below the line. Do I think Balmain "saved" Wests? Absolutely not. Balmain needed Wests just as much as Wests needed Balmain.

It's pointless to ramble on about who as the best or most leagues clubs. It doesn't matter. The days of rich clubs bankrolling sides is over. The NRL grant and business partnerships are the determining factor these days. Leagues club grants are a relatively minor part of revenue.

We get good juniors from both sides. The points scoring on who has better prospects is dumb.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

thank you Tigers05 n Tigers4ever u have proved my point…like i was saying in my first post theres a section of ex-Balmain fans (especially u Tigers4life) who think of this as a takeover n think Balmain's s^&t don't stink n think of Wests as second class citizins...u carry on like Wests have nothing when the truth is they r the backbone of the merger...seriously wat do Balmain have? a leagues club thats almost gone under 5 times n a relic home ground that will b lucky to still c the light of day in 10 yrs...real impressive...Wests have 2 leagues clubs n the second biggest junior base in the comp...a junior area that is still growing may i add...Tigers4life who r u to tell me to b grateful?...in other words ur tellin me to shut my mouth about wanting things to b equal n just b glad i have a team to support coz we 'saved ur ass'...thats kind of like bringing in a homeless man off the street n not feeding him or giving him anywhere to sleep n he complains about it n gets told 'b grateful we saved u'...u gotta remember everything u say is hitting a nerve with ppl coz its something close to their heart...as Bug said earlier all we want is equlity n considering this is a suppose to b a joint venture 50-50 wat the hell is wrong with wanting that?...n as far as the junior area is concerned u seem to b very critical when any Wests fan brings it up but would u part with it? im guessing not...n wat does the time Wests were there b4 the merger have to with anything? doesn't matter if Wests were there 15 yrs or 15 mins it still belongs to Wests

GNR, grammar dude, that was incredibly difficult to read.

 

[alien]

Likewise I think the whole Canterbury/Wests thing was more a media monster than anything.

i dont think thats entirely true.

canterbury didnt want to play any homes games at campbelltown if they merged with wests, and the name would have been western bulldogs instead of wests bulldogs or western suburbs bulldogs. they wanted everything their way so it didnt eventuate

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Balmain needed Wests just as much as Wests needed Balmain.

Correct.

 

[Yossarian]

Likewise I think the whole Canterbury/Wests thing was more a media monster than anything.

i dont think thats entirely true.

canterbury didnt want to play any homes games at campbelltown if they merged with wests, and the name would have been western bulldogs instead of wests bulldogs or western suburbs bulldogs. they wanted everything their way so it didnt eventuate

True but what the point I was trying to make was the whole concept was more a media driven thing than something the Wests board really entered into negotiations on. As you point out, the lack of good faith from the Dogs in having a 50/50 split meant it was a non-starter.

 

[tiger4ever]

$8m. I stand corrected.

Counting premierships…...seriously, why don't you go support Souths that way you can use that argument with every club.

Newtown (and Wests) was shafted in 1983 by the NSWRL in response to introducing Canberra and Illawarra. Newtown tried to gain reinstatement by moving to Campbelltown but actually ran out of cash and could not afford the permanent move to Campbelltown. Newtown was actually asset rich, but had no cash flow.

Wests still had the financial resources to begin the transition to Campbelltown from 1985.

In any case, please refer to my post above. You seem to forget the circumstances of 1999 and how Wests and Balmain found each other. Takeovers from Canterbury and Parramatta respectively were a real possibility for both clubs. I am glad they found each other in a joint venture sense, but completely disagree with anyone from either side of the fence stating, "we saved you" or as you say, "Wests fans should be thankful" in a view that Balmain did a charitable thing. It complete ignores landscape of rugby league in 1998 and 1999 and the fact that both clubs were on the downhill slope to oblivion from 1993 onwards.
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And tell me you wouldnt use that as a tool if you had won that many…..please so as you said to me you should read the history
And arent you using the we have the junior base......its a bit of a storm in a tea cup that is.

Newtowns football club(not leagues club)was in debt but so was wests and so was cronulla and other clubs but the league helped those clubs out with loans anf as far as i know newtown were not offered the assistance.

Bakerloo you seem to forget who started this thread and read the comments carefully throughout it and you would see.

Im sick of hearing about how good c-town area is and how its so much better then leichhardt where we win more games then lose.

Bakerloo the thread topic says it all.lol

I dont want balmain or wests to stand alone and i have never said it.
I want wests tigers in all grades NOT sg ball and harold mats its ok to stay as is of course.

Green4life tell me where i have said its a takeover your the one thats comes out and says all this dribble.

We already have 50-50 or its damm close to so get over it im just pointing out a few things in response to ANOTHER EX MAGGIE as usual.

Least we didnt desert our original home base and our club was having financial problmes like every other leagues club in nsw and that doesnt have much to do with the football club does it you can have 10 and still go bust.

Anyway im happy with the way it is i would ilike us to merge our nsw cup teams but im fine if they dont.

For the unteenth time im not starting these threads whinging and whining read if possible.

 

[matty119]

I'm not going to get involved in a Balmain v Wests thing - it's been done to death and it's counter-productive. **The problem is, people like Bug don't want 50/50, they want the Campbelltown area to be given priority.**

I think this is the key issue in this. Balmain have been happy to merge State Cup for some time, Wests have not. Because of this WT have basically made the call for them and put all the players at Balmain, and therefore because the Wests board members can't agree to something which is the best way forward, they are being punished.
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I'd also like for someone to explain to me how having a WT State Cup based at Campbelltown, or a Wests Magpies State Cup side is 50/50?? Surely the only 50/50 choice is WT State Cup, split the home games, OR play them all at the WT home base of Concord (this is extremely unlikely due to West Harbour's base there).

 

[GNR4LIFE]

thank you Tigers05 n Tigers4ever u have proved my point…like i was saying in my first post theres a section of ex-Balmain fans (especially u Tigers4life) who think of this as a takeover n think Balmain's s^&t don't stink n think of Wests as second class citizins...u carry on like Wests have nothing when the truth is they r the backbone of the merger...seriously wat do Balmain have? a leagues club thats almost gone under 5 times n a relic home ground that will b lucky to still c the light of day in 10 yrs...real impressive...Wests have 2 leagues clubs n the second biggest junior base in the comp...a junior area that is still growing may i add...Tigers4life who r u to tell me to b grateful?...in other words ur tellin me to shut my mouth about wanting things to b equal n just b glad i have a team to support coz we 'saved ur ass'...thats kind of like bringing in a homeless man off the street n not feeding him or giving him anywhere to sleep n he complains about it n gets told 'b grateful we saved u'...u gotta remember everything u say is hitting a nerve with ppl coz its something close to their heart...as Bug said earlier all we want is equlity n considering this is a suppose to b a joint venture 50-50 wat the hell is wrong with wanting that?...n as far as the junior area is concerned u seem to b very critical when any Wests fan brings it up but would u part with it? im guessing not...n wat does the time Wests were there b4 the merger have to with anything? doesn't matter if Wests were there 15 yrs or 15 mins it still belongs to Wests

GNR, grammar dude, that was incredibly difficult to read.

sorry just did a bit of editing to it…hopefully now its a little easier to read lol

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

And tell me you wouldnt use that as a tool if you had won that many…..please so as you said to me you should read the history
And arent you using the we have the junior base......its a bit of a storm in a tea cup that is.

Newtowns football club(not leagues club)was in debt but so was wests and so was cronulla and other clubs but the league helped those clubs out with loans anf as far as i know newtown were not offered the assistance.

Bakerloo you seem to forget who started this thread and read the comments carefully throughout it and you would see.

Im sick of hearing about how good c-town area is and how its so much better then leichhardt where we win more games then lose.

Bakerloo the thread topic says it all.lol

I dont want balmain or wests to stand alone and i have never said it.
I want wests tigers in all grades NOT sg ball and harold mats its ok to stay as is of course.

Green4life tell me where i have said its a takeover your the one thats comes out and says all this dribble.

We already have 50-50 or its damm close to so get over it im just pointing out a few things in response to ANOTHER EX MAGGIE as usual.

Least we didnt desert our original home base and our club was having financial problmes like every other leagues club in nsw and that doesnt have much to do with the football club does it you can have 10 and still go bust.

Anyway im happy with the way it is i would ilike us to merge our nsw cup teams but im fine if they dont.

For the unteenth time im not starting these threads whinging and whining read if possible.

Fair enough. You have made your point so eloquently.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

$8m. I stand corrected.

Counting premierships…...seriously, why don't you go support Souths that way you can use that argument with every club.

Newtown (and Wests) was shafted in 1983 by the NSWRL in response to introducing Canberra and Illawarra. Newtown tried to gain reinstatement by moving to Campbelltown but actually ran out of cash and could not afford the permanent move to Campbelltown. Newtown was actually asset rich, but had no cash flow.

Wests still had the financial resources to begin the transition to Campbelltown from 1985.

In any case, please refer to my post above. You seem to forget the circumstances of 1999 and how Wests and Balmain found each other. Takeovers from Canterbury and Parramatta respectively were a real possibility for both clubs. I am glad they found each other in a joint venture sense, but completely disagree with anyone from either side of the fence stating, "we saved you" or as you say, "Wests fans should be thankful" in a view that Balmain did a charitable thing. It complete ignores landscape of rugby league in 1998 and 1999 and the fact that both clubs were on the downhill slope to oblivion from 1993 onwards.

And tell me you wouldnt use that as a tool if you had won that many…..please so as you said to me you should read the history
And arent you using the we have the junior base......its a bit of a storm in a tea cup that is.

Newtowns football club(not leagues club)was in debt but so was wests and so was cronulla and other clubs but the league helped those clubs out with loans anf as far as i know newtown were not offered the assistance.

Bakerloo you seem to forget who started this thread and read the comments carefully throughout it and you would see.

Im sick of hearing about how good c-town area is and how its so much better then leichhardt where we win more games then lose.

Bakerloo the thread topic says it all.lol

I dont want balmain or wests to stand alone and i have never said it.
I want wests tigers in all grades NOT sg ball and harold mats its ok to stay as is of course.

Green4life tell me where i have said its a takeover your the one thats comes out and says all this dribble.

We already have 50-50 or its damm close to so get over it im just pointing out a few things in response to ANOTHER EX MAGGIE as usual.

Least we didnt desert our original home base and our club was having financial problmes like every other leagues club in nsw and that doesnt have much to do with the football club does it you can have 10 and still go bust.

Anyway im happy with the way it is i would ilike us to merge our nsw cup teams but im fine if they dont.

For the unteenth time im not starting these threads whinging and whining read if possible.
its your attitude…saying things like us ex-magppies fans should be grateful, and having a whinge urself whenever a magpie fan thinks that things aren't equal... :wtf does ANOTHER EX MAGPIE as usual mean?...it almost comes across like you have an inferioriity complex against Wests fans...n wat does calling me 'Green4life' mean?...are you insinuationg im jealous of something?...why don't you try showing some respect

 

[Guest]

For God's sake stick to the topic or this thread will close. The topic itself is a hypothetical question. This Balmain V Wests crap stops now.

 

[tigers05]

In about 50 years time when we all pushing up daisies the next generation aint gona give a stuff about Balmain or Wests. ( by the way they dont now )

LONG LIVE THE WESTS TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wtfl1981]

This thread is NOT suppose to be a Wests vs Balmain Fight. Its simply a push for a case to have the 'magpies' brand stay alive in some capacity by being a sole feeder club in a low profile competition that no one evens cares for that much. Its not saying that Wests Magpies should be back in the NRL or kick Balmain away or vice versa. You ask most old time followers of the game (NON WT Fans) who dont even acknowledge a wests or magpies presence in the joint venture club. Think of it in the media: The tigers 'spiritual home' of leichhardt, celebrating balmain vs canberra 1989 grand final re-match at a campbelltown game, not having worn the magpies heritage jersey at campbelltown since 2009, orange and black merchandise with no white, supporters jerseys (at best and less) with no magpie logo, the WT Centenary jersey being exactly the same as the balmain centenary jersey.. if we made the 2010 GF we would have played in the orange strip, if we had a home semi in 2010 - leichhardt was first choice…i am talking about some genuine recognition of the team that i followed (Western Suburbs Magpies) from the day i was born being remembered within the team i love and follow today (Wests Tigers). People both inside and outside WT may not care about it but myself and a lot of others do.