Who do we offload?

Offloading players, it's all moot - I honestly think we're screwed anyway. There is so much more to the NRL's decision to come down hard on us and Cronulla at this present time. I really can't see either club winning any of the appeals they might make next month. The NRL have the upper hand.

The destabilising effect of all this, along with the constraints on our salary cap means that we will struggle to be competitive, once again next season, and the following season also, if we last that long. The Sharks still have some talent in their roster and will fight hard, but they will falter too - they're just not the same team without Flanagan at the helm. Plus there could be more bad things coming their way with the ongoing investigation into their cap management.

Sadly, I think it's inevitable that both clubs will eventually be forced to either fold or relocate in the not too distant future.
 
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Offloading players, it's all moot - I honestly think we're screwed anyway. There is so much more to the NRL's decision to come down hard on us and Cronulla at this present time. **I really can't see either club winning any of the appeals they might make next month. The NRL have the upper hand.**

The destabilising effect of all this, along with the constraints on our salary cap means that we will struggle to be competitive, once again next season, and the following season also, if we last that long. The Sharks still have some talent in their roster and will fight hard, but they will falter too - they're just not the same team without Flanagan at the helm. Plus there could be more bad things coming their way with the ongoing investigation into their cap management.

Sadly, I think it's inevitable that both clubs will eventually be forced to either fold or relocate in the not too distant future.

That is why we have to take the NRL and Knob Greenberg to the courts, Greenberg has opened up a can of worms by his statements about Pascoe and is liable for defamation. The NRL need to be held accountable for calling us cheats..
 
So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.
 
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Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has moved to quickly to shoot down speculation Robbie Farah will retire and knows the club legend will play a huge role on the field in 2019.

The Tigers also have the option to ask the NRL for their $639,000 cap penalty to be spread over four years – the duration of Farah's planned ambassadorial role – which would still allow them to go to market for a couple of quality players next year.

There is no chance any Tigers players will be shed if the current cap penalty remains.

At the very least the club can promote two players from its lower grades.

Ironically, the Tigers are only capable of surviving the latest penalty because their cap is in such good shape with no heavily back-ended deals, which banned chief executive Justin Pascoe worked hard to clean up during the past three years.

Farah was in good spirits as the club trained at Lidcombe Oval on Friday morning, despite expressing his disappointment at being dragged into the club's latest mess.

A day earlier Farah was digesting the club's heavy reprimand for failing to disclose his ambassadorial role, and said: "I am at the point now where I'm thinking about walking away. I don't want to play.''

Maguire has always been a huge fan of the experienced No.9 and expects the Tigers' favourite son to play on.

"I've known Robbie for a long time, and the maturity and leadership he shows now will help take this club forward,'' Maguire told smh.com.au.

"I expect him there in 2019\. All his experiences he's had through his career will only assist me growing young men.

"He was at training this morning, did everything and was in really good spirits.'

All clubs must fill their 30-man roster by June 30 with the Tigers keen on signing a couple of outside backs.

The health of the Tigers' cap was one reason Maguire came on board as Ivan Cleary's successor.

"I went through a thorough process before I came to the club, the cap is always a big part and I could see growth in this current team, which was the reason I came on board,'' Maguire said.

The club has now broken up for Christmas and Pascoe remains in exile – no players or officials are allowed to make contact with him as part of his NRL ban.

The Tigers are prepared to fight for their boss who helped the joint venture record a profit for the first time in the club's 20-year history.

Pascoe told smh.com.au earlier this month that the profit was about $300,000, but the club decided to take $200,000 and redirect it to its staff as bonuses.

Many see Pascoe's ban excessive, but the NRL set a precedent when they sacked Joe Kelly for 12 month over his role in Manly's cap saga. Kelly can return in nine months should he satisfy the NRL's criteria.

Some fans were wondering why rival clubs were allowed to sign some of their favourite sons to ambassadorial roles, such as Anthony Minichiello at the Sydney Roosters, yet the Tigers were hit hard for the Farah deal.

Pascoe never declared the deal at the time, but this oversight and the subsequent punishment, including a $750,000 fine, has upset the Tigers.

The NRL made it clear players can move into post-career roles, as long as they were declared and the money paid within reason. For example, a player being paid $700,000 for an ambassadorial role would be seen as blatant abuse of the cap.

Asked about the difference between Farah and Minichiello's arrangements, an NRL spokesman said: "The NRL rules provides mechanisms to allow clubs to retain the services of players after they retire to promote their clubs sand the game.

"But those rules require clubs to declare those deals so they can be assessed by the cap auditor.

"The Roosters declared the **Minichiello** role with his club and it was approved by **the salary cap auditor**.''

Some facts for those interested.
Anthony Minichiello has been "ambassador" of a lot of things (see below) comparing Robbie's offer to Mini doesn't compare.

* NRL Supercoach ambassador in 2016
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* NRL Ambassador in 2017
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* Rooster Club Ambassador 2014-17
\

* Lexus Ambassador 2015
\

* City2Surf Ambassador 2017
\

* tic technologies Ambassador 2014
\

* Ducati Ambassador 2014
\

* Peugeot Ambassador 2014

P.S. Minichiello retired at the end of 2014, taking up a "corporate role" with the Roosters after their 2014 GF win,

And as for the 'salary cap auditors' who authorised Mini to be an 'Ambassador' for the Roosters in 2014, perhaps the most well-respected salary cap auditor of the time was Ian Schubert. Ian left the role as salary cap auditor in 2013, was in the press citing how the salary cap system is not fair and doesn't work in 2016, and worked with (guess who) the Roosters in 2018 to show the league how the Roosters were $700k within the cap for 2018.

Sounds legit.
 
While not ideal, spreading the cap penalty over 4 years would bring it to about 160k a year, which would be manageable. A better outcome if the alternative was offloading anyone not named Marshall and Farah for 2019\. Not including McQueen and Rochow, cos they would have very few suitors.
 
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Well I’ve caused a stir!! Wasn’t bagging Farah at all - just saying he brings unwanted pressure on himself.
Also Patriot:”people like me” - really? I’m just stating an opinion mate, that’s all. Thought you were above making it personal.

Sorry if i offended you Tiger Steve. Im not sure how else to put the "guys like you are lining up to give it to him again" comment, perhaps say 'his critics'? Not really saying it in a personal way just describing the group of people who are in to him again now. On this occasion it included you.
 
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Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has moved to quickly to shoot down speculation Robbie Farah will retire and knows the club legend will play a huge role on the field in 2019.

The Tigers also have the option to ask the NRL for their $639,000 cap penalty to be spread over four years – the duration of Farah's planned ambassadorial role – which would still allow them to go to market for a couple of quality players next year.

There is no chance any Tigers players will be shed if the current cap penalty remains.

At the very least the club can promote two players from its lower grades.

Ironically, the Tigers are only capable of surviving the latest penalty because their cap is in such good shape with no heavily back-ended deals, which banned chief executive Justin Pascoe worked hard to clean up during the past three years.

Farah was in good spirits as the club trained at Lidcombe Oval on Friday morning, despite expressing his disappointment at being dragged into the club's latest mess.

A day earlier Farah was digesting the club's heavy reprimand for failing to disclose his ambassadorial role, and said: "I am at the point now where I'm thinking about walking away. I don't want to play.''

Maguire has always been a huge fan of the experienced No.9 and expects the Tigers' favourite son to play on.

"I've known Robbie for a long time, and the maturity and leadership he shows now will help take this club forward,'' Maguire told smh.com.au.

"I expect him there in 2019\. All his experiences he's had through his career will only assist me growing young men.

"He was at training this morning, did everything and was in really good spirits.'

All clubs must fill their 30-man roster by June 30 with the Tigers keen on signing a couple of outside backs.

The health of the Tigers' cap was one reason Maguire came on board as Ivan Cleary's successor.

"I went through a thorough process before I came to the club, the cap is always a big part and I could see growth in this current team, which was the reason I came on board,'' Maguire said.

The club has now broken up for Christmas and Pascoe remains in exile – no players or officials are allowed to make contact with him as part of his NRL ban.

The Tigers are prepared to fight for their boss who helped the joint venture record a profit for the first time in the club's 20-year history.

Pascoe told smh.com.au earlier this month that the profit was about $300,000, but the club decided to take $200,000 and redirect it to its staff as bonuses.

Many see Pascoe's ban excessive, but the NRL set a precedent when they sacked Joe Kelly for 12 month over his role in Manly's cap saga. Kelly can return in nine months should he satisfy the NRL's criteria.

Some fans were wondering why rival clubs were allowed to sign some of their favourite sons to ambassadorial roles, such as Anthony Minichiello at the Sydney Roosters, yet the Tigers were hit hard for the Farah deal.

Pascoe never declared the deal at the time, but this oversight and the subsequent punishment, including a $750,000 fine, has upset the Tigers.

The NRL made it clear players can move into post-career roles, as long as they were declared and the money paid within reason. For example, a player being paid $700,000 for an ambassadorial role would be seen as blatant abuse of the cap.

Asked about the difference between Farah and Minichiello's arrangements, an NRL spokesman said: "The NRL rules provides mechanisms to allow clubs to retain the services of players after they retire to promote their clubs sand the game.

"But those rules require clubs to declare those deals so they can be assessed by the cap auditor.

"The Roosters declared the **Minichiello** role with his club and it was approved by **the salary cap auditor**.''

Some facts for those interested.
Anthony Minichiello has been "ambassador" of a lot of things (see below) comparing Robbie's offer to Mini doesn't compare.

* NRL Supercoach ambassador in 2016
\

* NRL Ambassador in 2017
\

* Rooster Club Ambassador 2014-17
\

* Lexus Ambassador 2015
\

* City2Surf Ambassador 2017
\

* tic technologies Ambassador 2014
\

* Ducati Ambassador 2014
\

* Peugeot Ambassador 2014

P.S. Minichiello retired at the end of 2014, taking up a "corporate role" with the Roosters after their 2014 GF win,

And as for the 'salary cap auditors' who authorised Mini to be an 'Ambassador' for the Roosters in 2014, perhaps the most well-respected salary cap auditor of the time was Ian Schubert. Ian left the role as salary cap auditor in 2013, was in the press citing how the salary cap system is not fair and doesn't work in 2016, and worked with (guess who) the Roosters in 2018 to show the league how the Roosters were $700k within the cap for 2018.

Sounds legit.

If you were going to query anything, it would be his salary in the 2 or 3 years prior to taking up the role. Was he paid his market value or what other clubs had offered, or was it like the Ferguson situation where it is rumored he was paid $250000\. despite being offered $500000\. elsewhere.
 
There is a massive difference between the situations at the Storm , Dogs ,Warriors , Parra and Manly and what has happened at the WTs
 
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So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.

Unbelievable
 
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So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.

Sorry brother , but the NRL has just ripped the copper pipe out and the left the barbed wire stuck up our clacker

Good luck removing it 😱pen_mouth:
 
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So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.

I don’t think you get it none of it should have happened at all.
Is JT’s ambassadorial role included in the cowboys upcoming years salary caps?
It was mentioned as happening prior to him retiring but without actually having all the details figured out. To me that sounds like the cowboys may have been saving a hundred thousand or so on JT all these years only to include that money into an ongoing deal for him.
We have no backended contracts. Farah was paid in full when he left.
Does the nrl really think we would offer that on top of a full payout knowing it would be included on the cap. As he was leaving to go to another club it was essentially the same as the panthers signing I C in 2022\. The tigers had entered into an agreement for a former player to come back and work in club capacity. I get it looks suss, but as the deal hasn’t been accepted or any monies exchanged we shouldn’t be punished for it.
Also the appeal to have Farahs cap impact reduced due to be a destabilising influence was REJECTED, so in what capacity did we pull a swifty?
If we are getting punished for attempting something only for it to be unsuccessful why were we not issued with a show cause notice in 2016 at the time of Farahs release.
Although it’s happened and if the deal does go ahead I have no problem for it to be included in the following cap years after Farah retires. If it is legit offer of further employment then that’s fair. No way should our CEO been de-registered. A letter of intent with a please explain on the other hand would have been the fair course of action.
 
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So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.

I don’t think you get it none of it should have happened at all.
Is JT’s ambassadorial role included in the cowboys upcoming years salary caps?
It was mentioned as happening prior to him retiring but without actually having all the details figured out. To me that sounds like the cowboys may have been saving a hundred thousand or so on JT all these years only to include that money into an ongoing deal for him.
We have no backended contracts. Farah was paid in full when he left.
Does the nrl really think we would offer that on top of a full payout knowing it would be included on the cap. As he was leaving to go to another club it was essentially the same as the panthers signing I C in 2022\. The tigers had entered into an agreement for a former player to come back and work in club capacity. I get it looks suss, but as the deal hasn’t been accepted or any monies exchanged we shouldn’t be punished for it.
Also the appeal to have Farahs cap impact reduced due to be a destabilising influence was REJECTED, so in what capacity did we pull a swifty?
If we are getting punished for attempting something only for it to be unsuccessful why were we not issued with a show cause notice in 2016 at the time of Farahs release.
Although it’s happened and if the deal does go ahead I have no problem for it to be included in the following cap years after Farah retires. If it is legit offer of further employment then that’s fair. No way should our CEO been de-registered. A letter of intent with a please explain on the other hand would have been the fair course of action.

If the club accepts last week's NRL decisions it is not doing the right ting by the club and its supporters.
 
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So in the end we may be able to spread the cap reduction over 4 years and Pascoe may be back in 9 months. And the $700k fine.

I don't think we've been that harshly treated.

I don’t think you get it none of it should have happened at all.
Is JT’s ambassadorial role included in the cowboys upcoming years salary caps?
It was mentioned as happening prior to him retiring but without actually having all the details figured out. To me that sounds like the cowboys may have been saving a hundred thousand or so on JT all these years only to include that money into an ongoing deal for him.
We have no backended contracts. Farah was paid in full when he left.
Does the nrl really think we would offer that on top of a full payout knowing it would be included on the cap. As he was leaving to go to another club it was essentially the same as the panthers signing I C in 2022\. The tigers had entered into an agreement for a former player to come back and work in club capacity. I get it looks suss, but as the deal hasn’t been accepted or any monies exchanged we shouldn’t be punished for it.
Also the appeal to have Farahs cap impact reduced due to be a destabilising influence was REJECTED, so in what capacity did we pull a swifty?
If we are getting punished for attempting something only for it to be unsuccessful why were we not issued with a show cause notice in 2016 at the time of Farahs release.
Although it’s happened and if the deal does go ahead I have no problem for it to be included in the following cap years after Farah retires. If it is legit offer of further employment then that’s fair. No way should our CEO been de-registered. A letter of intent with a please explain on the other hand would have been the fair course of action.

If the club accepts last week's NRL decisions it is not doing the right ting by the club and its supporters.

I agree, I’m not sure what your directly referring to though?
 
The fact that we gained no advantage is automatic qualification that comparative cap breach penalties are not consistent with our purported wrongdoing.
 
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The fact that we gained no advantage is automatic qualification that comparative cap breach penalties are not consistent with our purported wrongdoing.

Simply put but very correct.
 

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