hank37w
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It's been said many times, but as useful as statistics can be, they don't always tell the full story.
Don't take that as a criticism of Luke Brooks because I actually like the guy.
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Don't take that as a criticism of Luke Brooks because I actually like the guy.
Jolls
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100% - if you look at ADs defensive stats you would think he is OK as a centre; his tackle efficiency is around 70%. What doesn't appear is the poor reads that mean he doesn't get to even attempt the tackle.
Betterdays22
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interesting article discussing the stats that coaches deem to be most useful. Spoiler: many arent. I enjoy looking at the numbers, but there are often a number of confounding variables which limit how useful they really are.
The numbers your NRL team needs to be successful in 2025
NRL clubs spend huge sums on data and analysis, but there’s an art to gleaning a genuine edge from the of mass of numbers.
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Tucker
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Id be wary dismissing what these successful coaches are saying.interesting article discussing the stats that coaches deem to be most useful. Spoiler: most of them arent. I enjoy looking at the numbers, but there are often a number of confounding variables which limit how useful they really are.
The numbers your NRL team needs to be successful in 2025
NRL clubs spend huge sums on data and analysis, but there’s an art to gleaning a genuine edge from the of mass of numbers.www.smh.com.au
Focusing on push supports, play the ball speed, line engagements and where your kicks are landing are certainly great analytics.
Betterdays22
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Absolutely. More making the point that not all stats are equal, and generally the ones that are more accessible to fans and media are limited. Set completions, tackle efficiency etc.
innsaneink
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Ok...were talking stats.
No ones been able to answer this, nrl.com has 'receipts' lumped in with passing. offloads, total passes, dummies
What are receipts?
No ones been able to answer this, nrl.com has 'receipts' lumped in with passing. offloads, total passes, dummies
What are receipts?
twentyforty
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I agree, it has been said many times that stats don’t tell the full story and while this statement may be accurate it doesn’t mean stats should be discarded. They’re a useful tool when looking at various activities, achievements and output.
The real difference in those players is the level of desire, confidence and how it transfers to teammates. It’s not something easily measured.
twentyforty
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I’ve always assumed number of times a player receives the ball.
innsaneink
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I just looked at a quik example Manly v Penrith trial
Passing
Penrith had 247total passes but 432 receipts
Sea Eagles v Panthers
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles versus Penrith Panthers match centre includes live scores and updates. Includes official live player and team stats. Run metres, fantasy points scoring.
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Interesting the run metres per ptb. in betterdays article
First was Storm last year with 10.7m per play the ball
Worst= Saints ....9.8m per ptb
Nothing in it, even after a whole game but I guess this is where the roll on begins
hank37w
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How do you determine a push support target and what if those decoy runners are causing obstructions that lead to disallowed try decisions, what does that do to your statistics?
I'm now even more confused than ever about stats and still have a bit of a laugh about Des Hasler's use of stats that determined that Aiden Tolman was the best prop in the game around 10 years ago.
I'm now even more confused than ever about stats and still have a bit of a laugh about Des Hasler's use of stats that determined that Aiden Tolman was the best prop in the game around 10 years ago.
Tucker
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100 percent mate, but thats all we have to go from unless we keep our own records.
They serve their purpose and provide a snapshot of who is working hard and who isnt.
Not definitive, but certainly a broad picture.
upthetigers
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Brooks wasn't capable of giving someone a spray.
hank37w
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That's very impressive and not all that dissimilar to what Wests Tigers players were each doing at training under Tim Sheens.
200 passes but not as good in the receipts department as most of the balls were dropped. 🤣
twentyforty
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I wouldnt take too much notice of the stats during trials. It sometimes appears like they give the newby a go at counting?I just looked at a quik example Manly v Penrith trial
Passing
Penrith had 247total passes but 432 receipts
Sea Eagles v Panthers
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles versus Penrith Panthers match centre includes live scores and updates. Includes official live player and team stats. Run metres, fantasy points scoring.
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Interesting the run metres per ptb. in betterdays article
First was Storm last year with 10.7m per play the ball
Worst= Saints ....9.8m per ptb
Nothing in it, even after a whole game but I guess this is where the roll on begins
twentyforty
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No maybe not but he had a decent right cross for a lefty. 😂
Rock Hopper Steve
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Dane Gagai found that out.
AmericanHistoryX
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Complications in the procedure. Surgery.
My team Rd 1
1.Bula
2.Skelton
3.Douehi
4.Bird
5.Turuva
6.Galvin
7.Luai
8.May
9.TDS
10. Pole
11.Samuela F
12.Twal
13 .Seyfarth
Bench
14 .Latu F
15 Hunt
16 . Faataape
17. Sione F
Perhaps a swap between 4 and 16
Assume Olam busted maybe a medical retirement
Naden still recovering from kneecap incident
Bula fully recovered from appendix operation
1.Bula
2.Skelton
3.Douehi
4.Bird
5.Turuva
6.Galvin
7.Luai
8.May
9.TDS
10. Pole
11.Samuela F
12.Twal
13 .Seyfarth
Bench
14 .Latu F
15 Hunt
16 . Faataape
17. Sione F
Perhaps a swap between 4 and 16
Assume Olam busted maybe a medical retirement
Naden still recovering from kneecap incident
Bula fully recovered from appendix operation
426Tlgerland
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Probably close to the team but I would have Klemmer at 16 and Fat back in reserves
innsaneink
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Round 26 last year close game manly and. Dogs
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