Your Nines Squad...

@Fade To Black said:
@2041 said:
@gallagher said:
@2041 said:
On one side there's you, who asserts that the nines is easy work and everyone should send full-strength squads. On the other there is basically every NRL coach, who believe it's unhelpful for full-season preparation. I know who I'm going to believe.

I think they'd be more worried about injury than burn out. We wouldn't have origin if it was up to the coaches.

There is also the fact that basically no other successful sport in the world is going down the route of adding more competitions - with the possible exception of cricket, I guess. Sports administrators know that fans have limited capacity to care about new tournaments, and teams know that without massive squads they simply can't play full intensity for endless games.

Soccer: big clubs basically care about their domestic league and the Champions League. Star players are routinely rested for domestic cup competitions and the UEFA Cup. Big teams play lots of money-spinning friendlies, but with mixed squads and at low intensity.
NFL: the pro bowl has become a half-pace, non-contact knockabout. Efforts to extend the regular season to 18 from 16 games have encountered significant resistance.
Rugby union: a bit different because the international game dominates, but fixture congestion and player burnout is a major issue especially in Europe. Sevens is now a completely separate code with no player crossover.
AFL: the pre-season tournament is viewed as a warm up by most/all teams, and played at half pace. The international rules games have all but disappeared.
Cricket: the addition of T20 has been a huge game-changer, of course - but mainly because there is more cash in the new version of the game than the old one. Interest in 50 over and test cricket is declining, player (especially bowler) fatigue is a huge issue, and you don't see international players turning out for their clubs or even states more than once or twice a year for a tune up.

And yet you want NRL clubs not only to commit their full squads to a meaningless pre-season tournament played under completely different rules but to go at it full-intensity? It's nonsense.

What players are training for in pre-season is the demands of regular season rugby league. Playing 80 minutes, defensive structure, honing set moves. None of this stuff applies to nine-a-side football in short bursts - it's a totally different code and not helpful for preparing for the real season.

We have to play in the 9's tournament so we may as well try and win the thing. Give the players a tiny sniff of some actual success.

Manchester City have to play in the English League Cup. You think their management would do anything other than laugh if they saw Chelsea running out their first choice team and playing flat out against Rotherham in the early rounds? Wasting effort on Mickey Mouse tournaments is the mark of a Mickey Mouse outfit. The serious sides will focus on what matters to them - and it sure as hell won't be this bit of pre-season hit 'n' giggle.
 
Agree with Ink…..Taylor coming out and stating that WT are not interested in doing well at the 9's has that real Nick Kyrgios feel about it, competing half-arsed instead of having a winner's attitude of trying to go full bore at everything.
The threat of potential injuries excuse being trotted out by some is a poor one, you are more likely to get hurt playing without total commitment anyway and let's not forget David Kidwell in his playing days rupturing his ACL stepping over his toddler at a bloody BBQ or John Simon at the Steelers slicing tendons in his foot after trying to stand up on a soap-holder in the shower and it broke. Injuries are mostly just a fate thing, if you're gonna get them they can happen regardless of what you are doing.
 
@2041 said:
@Fade To Black said:
@2041 said:
@gallagher said:
I think they'd be more worried about injury than burn out. We wouldn't have origin if it was up to the coaches.

There is also the fact that basically no other successful sport in the world is going down the route of adding more competitions - with the possible exception of cricket, I guess. Sports administrators know that fans have limited capacity to care about new tournaments, and teams know that without massive squads they simply can't play full intensity for endless games.

Soccer: big clubs basically care about their domestic league and the Champions League. Star players are routinely rested for domestic cup competitions and the UEFA Cup. Big teams play lots of money-spinning friendlies, but with mixed squads and at low intensity.
NFL: the pro bowl has become a half-pace, non-contact knockabout. Efforts to extend the regular season to 18 from 16 games have encountered significant resistance.
Rugby union: a bit different because the international game dominates, but fixture congestion and player burnout is a major issue especially in Europe. Sevens is now a completely separate code with no player crossover.
AFL: the pre-season tournament is viewed as a warm up by most/all teams, and played at half pace. The international rules games have all but disappeared.
Cricket: the addition of T20 has been a huge game-changer, of course - but mainly because there is more cash in the new version of the game than the old one. Interest in 50 over and test cricket is declining, player (especially bowler) fatigue is a huge issue, and you don't see international players turning out for their clubs or even states more than once or twice a year for a tune up.

And yet you want NRL clubs not only to commit their full squads to a meaningless pre-season tournament played under completely different rules but to go at it full-intensity? It's nonsense.

What players are training for in pre-season is the demands of regular season rugby league. Playing 80 minutes, defensive structure, honing set moves. None of this stuff applies to nine-a-side football in short bursts - it's a totally different code and not helpful for preparing for the real season.

We have to play in the 9's tournament so we may as well try and win the thing. Give the players a tiny sniff of some actual success.

Manchester City have to play in the English League Cup. You think their management would do anything other than laugh if they saw Chelsea running out their first choice team and playing flat out against Rotherham in the early rounds? Wasting effort on Mickey Mouse tournaments is the mark of a Mickey Mouse outfit. The serious sides will focus on what matters to them - and it sure as hell won't be this bit of pre-season hit 'n' giggle.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that WT should make winning the 9's tournament their major goal and sole focus for season 2017\. Obviously the regular season is where you want to shine.
But having a who cares, lazy attitude at the start of a new season will surely seep into our players' mindset just a few weeks after when the real stuff begins. That sort of attitude is the sign of an underachieving, soft club that let's face it our club is seen as in the eyes of many, many people in and around the NRL. You always hear champions stating how much they desperately want to win anything at all that they compete in. You wouldn't hear Floyd Mayweather say he is happy to cop a beating in sparring because it really doesn't mean anything.
 
Prepare to win play to win.Prepare to not have a go shows a very poor mind set.A team like us needs to start the year off on a high note.
It really is not good enough and continues the mediocrity is acceptable approach.
 
I'm sure the Squad selected will have a positive attitude ..those young and fringe players may also stake a claim or push their case for further NRL consideration…

No way I would send Teddy either ...
 
I have no issue with WT only sending over the minimum requirement as we are fulfilling our commitment and one would assume those selected will be giving it their all. Not much difference in how I would allocate personnel when I was responsible as a supervisor, nor as part of my business.
 
Not trying your best to win everything you enter is a defeatist attitude. It is the attitude of the loser. Im embarrassed my club acts this way.
 
@stryker said:
Not trying your best to win everything you enter is a defeatist attitude. It is the attitude of the loser. Im embarrassed my club acts this way.

Have you seen the squads the Storm send over? They must have an defeatist attitude too
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@stryker said:
Not trying your best to win everything you enter is a defeatist attitude. It is the attitude of the loser. Im embarrassed my club acts this way.

Have you seen the squads the Storm send over? They must have an defeatist attitude too

Your right, its just about across all clubs. I think the difference is that some clubs have that winning culture/feeling and some are still trying to attain it.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@stryker said:
Not trying your best to win everything you enter is a defeatist attitude. It is the attitude of the loser. Im embarrassed my club acts this way.

Have yous seen the squads the Storm send over? They must have an defeatist attitude too

I couldnt give a toss im talking about us.
 
Penrith must also be losers with Hook ruling out Moylan Cartwright Merrin Martin Watene-Zelezniak Whare Hiku Fisher-Harris Campbell-Gillard Peachey and Latu..to name a few..
 
@Geo. said:
Penrith must also be losers with Hook ruling out Moylan Cartwright Merrin Martin Watene-Zelezniak Whare Hiku Fisher-Harris Campbell-Gillard Peachey and Latu..to name a few..

I couldnt give a toss, im talking about us
 
Didn't the NRL say a few seasons ago that you can't just take a reserve grade team over…. I know its only a Micky mouse comp but any kind of success this team can get would be beneficial.
 
@gallagher said:
Is Scott prince still gonna play? Him and benji teaming up together in Broncos jerseys would kinda suck.

Unfortunately ur right

But at least we have the chance to whip their butts, or lose embarrassingly.

Anyway. It's just the 9's.

It is a good tournament, especially for the fans.

But come rd 1 nobody will remember
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
I'm not fussed. Its narrow minded to think we're the only club who doesn't take a full strength squad. I don't think the Broncos, Storm or Bulldogs have ever taken a full strength squad. I know its cliche but if Tedesco or Moses did an ACL there would be threads on here outlining plans for riots. Come round 10 if we are in the 8 is anyone going to remember the 9's? Look at the bigger picture.

Totally agree, IMO it's a no brainer. Teddy knows only one way to play - flat out, that's what makes him so great but also makes him more susceptible to injury.
 
@Geo. said:
I'm sure the Squad selected will have a positive attitude ..those young and fringe players may also stake a claim or push their case for further NRL consideration…

No way I would send Teddy either ...

If only you were the Coach Geo and they had that positive attitude you hoped they would have.
Any fringe players pushed there case for selection ? Suli ?
I didn't watch us at all cause i deleted in frustration after reading the Forum :laughing:
 
@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
I'm sure the Squad selected will have a positive attitude ..those young and fringe players may also stake a claim or push their case for further NRL consideration…

No way I would send Teddy either ...

If only you were the Coach Geo and they had that positive attitude you hoped they would have.
Any fringe players pushed there case for selection ? Suli ?
I didn't watch us at all cause i deleted in frustration after reading the Forum :laughing:

Eisenhuth MCK Taylor were all good over both days IMO…Suli was good in patches definitely a good prospect could play wing early days in NRL..

If there was one as a smokey for Round 1 I would say Eisenhuth...

Littlejohn Hunt Rankin should not see FG and was dissappointed in Heleta who was found wanting at the back...Marsters didn't do much wrong but in the same token didn't do much...

I watched both Saturdays games again today and they weren't great granted we also didn't get pumped either...

Today's effort was more encouraging but we did field our strongest side and the Broncos had already qualified..still it was good to see Brooks run the side setting up 2 Tries with kicks and getting 2 repeat sets even though by his own admission you get a lot more time and space in 9's...the commitment to defence was also a lot more positive today especially the scramble that is required in 9's...
 
@Geo. said:
@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
I'm sure the Squad selected will have a positive attitude ..those young and fringe players may also stake a claim or push their case for further NRL consideration…

No way I would send Teddy either ...

If only you were the Coach Geo and they had that positive attitude you hoped they would have.
Any fringe players pushed there case for selection ? Suli ?
I didn't watch us at all cause i deleted in frustration after reading the Forum :laughing:

Eisenhuth MCK Taylor were all good over both days IMO…Suli was good in patches definitely a good prospect could play wing early days in NRL..

If there was one as a smokey for Round 1 I would say Eisenhuth...

Littlejohn Hunt Rankin should not see FG and was dissappointed in Heleta who was found wanting at the back...Marsters didn't do much wrong but in the same token didn't do much...

I watched both Saturdays games again today and they weren't great granted we also didn't get pumped either...

Today's effort was more encouraging but we did field our strongest side and the Broncos had already qualified..still it was good to see Brooks run the side setting up 2 Tries with kicks and getting 2 repeat sets even though by his own admission you get a lot more time and space in 9's...the commitment to defence was also a lot more positive today especially the scramble that is required in 9's...

Lets hope we are ready to go come Round 1 and our forwards lay a platform our halves can take advantage of .
No doubt 9's mean squat but it sounded like we were lacking a desire to represent .
 
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