Zane Musgrove and AJ Kepaoa Incident

[Tiger_Steve]

Really freaken stupid. I get they are young and stupid and I get that most of us have done dumb things especially the Queenslanders amongst us but at some point you have to recognize you are a professional sportsperson and you have to play the game by the rules.

Im going to have to give you guys and gals a little professional insight into some of these incidents that happen no matter if you play NRL are a bricky or a welder....THE governing laws re RSA(responsible service of alchol)is you can be refused service if you are deemed to be intoxicated,cause or disrupt other customers or become aggressive while consuming alcohol....
Now I would just like to say that these signs are plastered all over the entrances and within the premises in clear view of patrons....if people cant read or understand those rules then maybe they should not even attempt to enter a place that sells alcohol and stay at home...
Im saying this because if your just turned 18 or your 70,the OLGR(office of liquor gaming and racing )has spent a great deal of time money and resources to educate the population on theses LAWS..they are not to be taken lightly,not only can the offending customer be heavily fined the premises can be fined and lose their license...Im not bagging either of these boys,but,education in this particular area may assist in the future for them...

These guys probably have been educated on it that are just dumb

These blokes get so much education it’s ridiculous. All the ‘learnin’ goes out the window after a few...

tiger steve,I can clearly see your point of view,I will say,having worked in the Hotel and Club industry for over 40 years,these LAWS were made and put in place for a reason,irrespective of having a couple to many or getting smashed,we all had to abide by these rules,not only as customers but suppliers of the products as well...the population has been educated enough and so have Licensees,if you are refused service and fail to leave license premises you can be fined or charged..its that simple...
It got even harder because of the coward punch incidents,hence the heavy lockouts at Midnight etc..Im not lecturing people,I have seen first hand what happens when people cant handle the piss or be told they have had enough...once again I will say educational tools have been put in place to help customers and premise owners...the excuse of being young and dumb no longer cuts it in the court of law..

Not making excuses for them at all. Just saying, once you’ve had a few beers reasoning doesn’t exist. If they’ve done the wrong thing - fine them for sure.

Went out with my young adult sons at Christmas on one of their night outs and it was interesting. The pathetic display by security picking and choosing who went in and out of venues was a classic case of giving too much authority to a fool. So it cuts both ways I suppose

Lemme guess - you were refused entry.

You got it! Old and ugly should not be a criteria!!

lol, how embarrassing being refused entry.

Oh the irony!! How bad do you have to be to be not considered worthy of entering Penrith Park

 

[cochise]

Really freaken stupid. I get they are young and stupid and I get that most of us have done dumb things especially the Queenslanders amongst us but at some point you have to recognize you are a professional sportsperson and you have to play the game by the rules.

Im going to have to give you guys and gals a little professional insight into some of these incidents that happen no matter if you play NRL are a bricky or a welder....THE governing laws re RSA(responsible service of alchol)is you can be refused service if you are deemed to be intoxicated,cause or disrupt other customers or become aggressive while consuming alcohol....
Now I would just like to say that these signs are plastered all over the entrances and within the premises in clear view of patrons....if people cant read or understand those rules then maybe they should not even attempt to enter a place that sells alcohol and stay at home...
Im saying this because if your just turned 18 or your 70,the OLGR(office of liquor gaming and racing )has spent a great deal of time money and resources to educate the population on theses LAWS..they are not to be taken lightly,not only can the offending customer be heavily fined the premises can be fined and lose their license...Im not bagging either of these boys,but,education in this particular area may assist in the future for them...

These guys probably have been educated on it that are just dumb

These blokes get so much education it’s ridiculous. All the ‘learnin’ goes out the window after a few...

tiger steve,I can clearly see your point of view,I will say,having worked in the Hotel and Club industry for over 40 years,these LAWS were made and put in place for a reason,irrespective of having a couple to many or getting smashed,we all had to abide by these rules,not only as customers but suppliers of the products as well...the population has been educated enough and so have Licensees,if you are refused service and fail to leave license premises you can be fined or charged..its that simple...
It got even harder because of the coward punch incidents,hence the heavy lockouts at Midnight etc..Im not lecturing people,I have seen first hand what happens when people cant handle the piss or be told they have had enough...once again I will say educational tools have been put in place to help customers and premise owners...the excuse of being young and dumb no longer cuts it in the court of law..

Not making excuses for them at all. Just saying, once you’ve had a few beers reasoning doesn’t exist. If they’ve done the wrong thing - fine them for sure.

Went out with my young adult sons at Christmas on one of their night outs and it was interesting. The pathetic display by security picking and choosing who went in and out of venues was a classic case of giving too much authority to a fool. So it cuts both ways I suppose

Lemme guess - you were refused entry.

You got it! Old and ugly should not be a criteria!!

lol, how embarrassing being refused entry.

Oh the irony!! How bad do you have to be to be not considered worthy of entering Penrith Park

You know I don't deal well with idiots lol.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Why were those posts deleted ? There’s no swearing

 

[cochise]

Why were those posts deleted ? There’s no swearing

You quoted a post that contained disguised swearing.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Why were those posts deleted ? There’s no swearing

You quoted a post that contained disguised swearing.

Oh ok . No probs

 

[sleeve]

Why were those posts deleted ? There’s no swearing

You quoted a post that contained disguised swearing.

Your doing a good job,but can a post contain words like,fornication in place of obvious,or richard cranium instead of d-head etc? It could add a lot of humour,or does it open up a can of worms?

 

[cochise]

Why were those posts deleted ? There’s no swearing

You quoted a post that contained disguised swearing.

Your doing a good job,but can a post contain words like,fornication in place of obvious,or richard cranium instead of d-head etc? It could add a lot of humour,or does it open up a can of worms?

That would be disguised swearing.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

Zane Musgrove selected for Maori Allstars - so no NRL or Club Sanction?

https://twitter.com/WestsTigers/status/1358975905758998530

 

[Speed2burn]

Zane Musgrove selected for Maori Allstars - so no NRL or Club Sanction?

https://twitter.com/WestsTigers/status/1358975905758998530

There was either nothing in it , or the club has swept it under the carpet because theres been nothing about it since. Anyways congrats Musgrove, it's obvious hes got the intimidation factor to me, just gotta stay fit

 

[TheDaBoss]

Great news in regards to zane

 

[TigerWest]

Zane Musgrove selected for Maori Allstars - so no NRL or Club Sanction?

https://twitter.com/WestsTigers/status/1358975905758998530

There was either nothing in it , or the club has swept it under the carpet because theres been nothing about it since. Anyways congrats Musgrove, it's obvious hes got the intimidation factor to me, just gotta stay fit

Yep, well done Zane.
After the paper frenzy on his and AJ’s incident, it just went cold, that’s not expected from the journo’s about our players, but does appear to be a storm in a tea cup thank heavens.

 

[hugh1954]

Cant keep on zane when a bigger fish is caught like Hass is available to sell more papers

 

[BAGNF05]

Would have been ordinary to hit us with sanctions when big Nelson and Fifita got off Scott free for worse indiscretions last season. In saying that I never expect us to get a fair go on these things.

 

[rustycage]

What I always think is so stupid is the players risking their career for the stupidest stuff.... like you're living the dream life being a footy player and you risk getting in trouble over not leaving the pub and getting drunk? Not worth the risk ?


lets hope we don't see any more negative press leading into the season and in reality both players should now be excluded from round 1 as a deterrent for the rest of the season, they do get mentored on acceptable behavior and should know when to go home.

Surely excluding players for copping a fine is a bit much. They made what looks like a very minor mistake, disrespected a cop or two and got fined accordingly. End of the matter imo.

Well not my decision but they know what the rules are and could have gone home quietly instead.
If excluded from Round 1 selection it does send a message to the rest of the playing group rather than do nothing.
They will get a spray from Madge maybe that's enough???

Telling a cop to go get stuffed , is hardly a new thing. I get it , they should be treated with respect , but at the end of the day , if you can’t handle someone yelling some bull at you, and that’s your line of work , you need to find another one. That job , and an ambo, you need to have a thick skin.

Sorry ,that is a bad way to look at things.No copper ambo or any others should have to put up with fools.It should be compulsory for these idiots to spend a week with these people handling druggies,domestics.with people spitting on you,vomiting on you, abusing you,and then seeing young kids and others slaughted on the roads.You live in disneyland.

We don’t live in a world on should though. Not everyone is brought up with these values . So much as we should stop fossil fuels , or we should all get vaccinated , or we should all pay taxes , not everyone agrees . So what happens then ? Your going to be sensitive every time some treads on your corner ?

Man , I have son with ASD , and he’s just so defiant and at times disrespectful to just about anyone in authority. It’s not that we haven’t taught him , but at the end of the day ,as frustrating as it is , he just doesn’t see it as disrespectful . He wants his way and that’s it . His brain doesn’t register normal social cues like many other people.
So then who had to change at that point ? The person who’s incapable and doesn’t even know it’s a thing . Or the other person who is having thier authority questioned ?
This is the way as a parent you have to think about it . As infuriating as it can be at times . It’s with this in mind , that I think the police should think about these things .

Yeah, but these guys aren't autistic. They're arrogant and idiots a lot of 'em.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

What I always think is so stupid is the players risking their career for the stupidest stuff.... like you're living the dream life being a footy player and you risk getting in trouble over not leaving the pub and getting drunk? Not worth the risk ?


lets hope we don't see any more negative press leading into the season and in reality both players should now be excluded from round 1 as a deterrent for the rest of the season, they do get mentored on acceptable behavior and should know when to go home.

Surely excluding players for copping a fine is a bit much. They made what looks like a very minor mistake, disrespected a cop or two and got fined accordingly. End of the matter imo.

Well not my decision but they know what the rules are and could have gone home quietly instead.
If excluded from Round 1 selection it does send a message to the rest of the playing group rather than do nothing.
They will get a spray from Madge maybe that's enough???

Telling a cop to go get stuffed , is hardly a new thing. I get it , they should be treated with respect , but at the end of the day , if you can’t handle someone yelling some bull at you, and that’s your line of work , you need to find another one. That job , and an ambo, you need to have a thick skin.

Sorry ,that is a bad way to look at things.No copper ambo or any others should have to put up with fools.It should be compulsory for these idiots to spend a week with these people handling druggies,domestics.with people spitting on you,vomiting on you, abusing you,and then seeing young kids and others slaughted on the roads.You live in disneyland.

We don’t live in a world on should though. Not everyone is brought up with these values . So much as we should stop fossil fuels , or we should all get vaccinated , or we should all pay taxes , not everyone agrees . So what happens then ? Your going to be sensitive every time some treads on your corner ?

Man , I have son with ASD , and he’s just so defiant and at times disrespectful to just about anyone in authority. It’s not that we haven’t taught him , but at the end of the day ,as frustrating as it is , he just doesn’t see it as disrespectful . He wants his way and that’s it . His brain doesn’t register normal social cues like many other people.
So then who had to change at that point ? The person who’s incapable and doesn’t even know it’s a thing . Or the other person who is having thier authority questioned ?
This is the way as a parent you have to think about it . As infuriating as it can be at times . It’s with this in mind , that I think the police should think about these things .


Yeah, but these guys aren't autistic. They're arrogant and idiots a lot of 'em.

How do you know that ? You would never know if you ever met my son . It’s a spectrum . What about trauma , or ADHD, ODD. There’s a billion reasons why people do the things they do .

 

[rustycage]

What I always think is so stupid is the players risking their career for the stupidest stuff.... like you're living the dream life being a footy player and you risk getting in trouble over not leaving the pub and getting drunk? Not worth the risk ?


lets hope we don't see any more negative press leading into the season and in reality both players should now be excluded from round 1 as a deterrent for the rest of the season, they do get mentored on acceptable behavior and should know when to go home.

Surely excluding players for copping a fine is a bit much. They made what looks like a very minor mistake, disrespected a cop or two and got fined accordingly. End of the matter imo.

Well not my decision but they know what the rules are and could have gone home quietly instead.
If excluded from Round 1 selection it does send a message to the rest of the playing group rather than do nothing.
They will get a spray from Madge maybe that's enough???

Telling a cop to go get stuffed , is hardly a new thing. I get it , they should be treated with respect , but at the end of the day , if you can’t handle someone yelling some bull at you, and that’s your line of work , you need to find another one. That job , and an ambo, you need to have a thick skin.

Sorry ,that is a bad way to look at things.No copper ambo or any others should have to put up with fools.It should be compulsory for these idiots to spend a week with these people handling druggies,domestics.with people spitting on you,vomiting on you, abusing you,and then seeing young kids and others slaughted on the roads.You live in disneyland.

We don’t live in a world on should though. Not everyone is brought up with these values . So much as we should stop fossil fuels , or we should all get vaccinated , or we should all pay taxes , not everyone agrees . So what happens then ? Your going to be sensitive every time some treads on your corner ?

Man , I have son with ASD , and he’s just so defiant and at times disrespectful to just about anyone in authority. It’s not that we haven’t taught him , but at the end of the day ,as frustrating as it is , he just doesn’t see it as disrespectful . He wants his way and that’s it . His brain doesn’t register normal social cues like many other people.
So then who had to change at that point ? The person who’s incapable and doesn’t even know it’s a thing . Or the other person who is having thier authority questioned ?
This is the way as a parent you have to think about it . As infuriating as it can be at times . It’s with this in mind , that I think the police should think about these things .


Yeah, but these guys aren't autistic. They're arrogant and idiots a lot of 'em.

How do you know that ? You would never know if you ever met my son . It’s a spectrum . What about trauma , or ADHD, ODD. There’s a billion reasons why people do the things they do .

I dont know. Im assuming as it's never been mentioned in their defence as far as I know. I would put money on them not being diagnosed with ASD however.

 

[hank37w]

A lot of people would be surprised to find who is actually on the spectrum.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

[**Musgrove’s journey from back of a police van to Maori All Stars**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/musgrove-s-journey-from-back-of-a-police-van-to-maori-all-stars-20210209-p570uh.html)
By [Christian Nicolussi](https://www.smh.com.au/by/christian-nicolussi-h0yp7o)

Nine days ago, Zane Musgrove was thrown into the back of a police van. On Tuesday, he was thrown into the Maori All Stars.

Musgrove must have wondered if he would miss the opening of the NRL season because of his run-in with police outside the Coogee Bay Hotel, in what proved to be the start of an emotional roller coaster the past few days.

The Wests Tigers prop was arrested and fined for failing to leave a licensed premises. He has been cleared to play in Townsville by the NRL, but is still waiting for the Integrity Unit to officially clear him of wrongdoing.

The 24-year-old wanted to tell his side of the story to the Herald, especially given his claims he did nothing wrong.

Tigers teammate AJ Kepaoa, 21, was also arrested and charged on the night.

“I was out at the Coogee Bay, we had a good night, we left, the police came, they started moving people away. I asked, ‘why are we getting moved away?’, then I got arrested,” Musgrove said.

“AJ got arrested because he asked me why I got arrested.

“I didn’t carry on, I wasn’t aggressive and wasn’t intimidating in any way. I simply asked a question. They took me back to the station, opened the door and sent me on my way. I didn’t even get taken down to the cells. They said, ‘we’ll send you a fine’.

“The policeman came to my house that [Sunday] night to drop off my fine. I asked him, ‘Why did I get arrested? I still don’t know why’. He told me, ‘I was being too inquisitive’.

“I’m not blaming anyone. I just thought it could have been handled better. I was up front with the club and I was up front with the NRL Integrity Unit.”

Musgrove is so determined to clear his name he plans to appeal the $550 fine.

Receiving a call from Maori coach David Kidwell certainly lifted his spirits.

Musgrove, whose father Tony is Maori, knows next Saturday’s clash against the Indigenous All Stars will mean a lot to his family - and so much to him.

“I’m really excited to play, this does mean everything to me, and I can’t wait to rip in,” Musgrove said.

Musgrove missed the 2019 season when he was stood down by the NRL after being charged with indecently assaulting a woman he knew on the dance floor at the Coogee Bay Hotel. He was found guilty and given a 12-month good behaviour bond, but last year he successfully appealed to have that decision overturned.

During his time out of the game, Musgrove started a job in maintenance at Wests Ashfield and kept fit by training with the Tigers’ NSW Cup team.

Musgrove is tipped for a huge year at the Tigers after injury restricted him to six games last season. He slugged it out with the team in Tamworth on Tuesday. St George Illawarra saw enough and made a big-money play for his services, but Musgrove recommitted to the Tigers. He is expected to come into the Maori side for Gold Coast forward Kevin Proctor.

Tigers coach Michael Maguire knows Musgrove can provide plenty of spark up front, as will new recruit Joe Ofahengaue and young back-rower Shawn Blore.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Even after the Curtis Scott and Tom Starling incidents people are still jumping the gun on these police incidents. Something seriously wrong with them in Australia. Reminds me of America.

 

[gallagher]

Even after the Curtis Scott and Tom Starling incidents people are still jumping the gun on these police incidents. Something seriously wrong with them in Australia. Reminds me of America.

Some cops are just wankers.