Russian invasion of Ukraine

There was no other part
You were disagreeing with what you added on to what I actually said
My post was just about Soros
Anti Soros does not equate to pro Putin
In which case you should begin a Soros thread where it has some relevance. Instead of posting it in this thread started by @Kul who's concerns are justified, with real life and death issues and the resulting grief are being discussed.
 
Thanks mate, you read my mind, ive diverted the water from her house but fear Ive injured my shoulder, what could I do. CES cant come but ny other neighbour who is a miner has just got home and hes a top bloke and will take over, thanks again mate

That's fantastic, we pray that there's more good news to come for you and your neighbour.
 
The constant crying from next door is heartbreaking and is really affecting mem I don't know what to do, I'm not emotionally strong enough to deal with this, it's soul distroying. I hate not being able to control things, Ive always been the one who prople turn to for advise or help but when someone is hurting and I cant do anything it's killing me.
You can only do that which you are able, with your wife having already given her the powerful assistance of a hug and the uncertainty of rising water is not helping.
 
Thoughts are with you mate.
Thanks buddy, just found out her mother died from a collapsed building not from a missile but the cause of the collapse was from aggression.
She's lost all contact but she has been liasing with a help group set up by our government.
Things have eased here weather wise but very sad atmosphere..
 
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Australia to provide ‘lethal aid’ to Ukraine as it fights invading Russian troops. Sarah Martin Chief political correspondent 27 mins ago.​

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The prime minister, Scott Morrison, has announced that Australia will provide funds for “lethal aid” to Ukraine’s war effort, saying “nothing is off the table” in response to the Russian invasion.
Australia’s commitment was previously restricted to non-lethal military equipment, but on Sunday, Morrison said the government would increase its financial support to Nato for lethal aid.

“The Australian government will continue to stand up for what is right when it comes to Ukraine,” Morrison said after attending a peace vigil at St Andrew’s church in Lidcombe.
“We are already providing significant support in terms of nonlethal aid, and I’ve just spoken with the defence minister and we’ll be seeking to provide whatever support we can for lethal aid through our Nato partners, particularly the United States and the United Kingdom. We’ll be working through those channels because that’s the most effective way to do it.”

Financial support could go to Ukraine’s military and also to back lethal cyber offensive activities.
Canberra is also considering further action against the Russian government as the war in Ukraine escalates, with Morrison saying Australia was considering expelling diplomats and ceasing trade relations.
“Russia must pay a heavy price … and we will continue to add to that price, as we consider every single option that is in front of us,” the prime minister said. “I am taking nothing off the table.”
Australia will boost its humanitarian aid to Ukraine, with Morrison saying visas for Ukrainians were being prioritised, and further support through Australia’s migration system would be forthcoming.
Morrison said it was “unhelpful” to conflate what was occurring in Ukraine with China’s ambitions in regards to Taiwan, saying they were “very different” situations.
Earlier, Labor’s shadow foreign affairs minister, Penny Wong, said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine should not embolden China as she called for the “strongest possible sanctions” against Moscow by the Australian government.
While declining to comment specifically on whether events in Europe increased the likelihood of China moving on Taiwan, Wong said no country should see Russia’s invasion as “any justification” for challenging the status quo in the region.
“It is the case that what is occurring is relevant to our region, is relevant to the whole world, where peace and security is threatened, it affects all of us everywhere,” Wong told ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.
“I would reiterate that no country should take any comfort from what is occurring, and unilateral aggressive changes to the status quo can never be justified.
“I wouldn’t get into hypotheticals [but] I simply say this: it is the principle of the region, of Taiwan, the United States and Australia that the status quo in relation to Taiwan can only be resolved peacefully, can only be altered peacefully and that there should be no unilateral changes to the status quo.”

The defence minister, Peter Dutton, speculated last week that Beijing was “probably watching to see what the world reaction is so that they can make their own calculations down the track in relation to Taiwan”. Russia and China have been drawing their alliance closer.
The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, accused China on Friday of offering Russia a “lifeline” by easing trade relations in the wake of the Ukraine invasion, saying it was an “inexplicable” decision.
Wong also criticised China for not using its position on the UN security council to condemn Russia’s actions, saying it had shirked its responsibilities as a “global leader”.
“It has a special responsibility to make a clear statement that defends the principles around the sovereignty, around territorial integrity, the principles of international law that are contained in the UN charter – it has not done so,” Wong said.
“China has, for decades, as a precept of their foreign policy that they respect sovereignty and territorial integrity. The position they are currently articulating in relation to Ukraine is inconsistent with China’s stated foreign policy position over decades.”
The finance minister, Simon Birmingham, said Russia’s invasion came amid a changing global security environment that had also seen the increased assertiveness of China in Hong Kong and the South China Sea – and the return of a totalitarian Islamic regime in Afghanistan.
“This is a great concern in terms of the far more unstable environment that the world faces, and a very clear reminder of the importance of investing in security and your defences, and in making sure that as nations, we stand together with those who share values and support of the international rules-based order, values in support of freedom and democracy, and that’s certainly what our government has been doing and we’ll continue to do,” Birmingham told Sky News on Sunday.
The senior minister said that there would be an increase to defence spending in next month’s budget, saying it was a “fundamental” part of the government’s plan that had underpinned the Aukus security pact with the UK and US.
Offering what she said was the “national asset” of bipartisan support for the government’s response to the Ukraine crisis, Wong said Labor would support the Coalition’s approach to sanctions, and if deemed necessary, would also back the suspension of two-way trade with Russia.
“We will give bipartisan support to the most comprehensive and heaviest sanctions that Australia can and should take, so I extend that invitation to the government again,” she said.
Wong also committed Labor to a “floor” on defence spending of 2%, saying strategic circumstances had changed since Labor was last in government.
Acknowledging there were “difficult decisions” for the government to make in regards to the expulsion of Russian diplomats, including the ambassador, Wong said Labor was “not looking to find difference” with the government’s approach.
“That is something the government could consider,” she said.
“I know that senator [Marise] Payne has said that the government has made a decision at this stage not to do so because they want to maintain the lines of communication, and I understand that.
“If that is the case, I hope we are using that line of communication to continue to express our view about Russia’s behaviour, that no historical narrative justifies what we are seeing, including, as you have said, the attacks on civilians.”
On Saturday, Queensland LNP senator James McGrath called for Australia to go further, saying weapons should be sent to Ukraine and the Russian ambassador expelled.
 
Thanks buddy, just found out her mother died from a collapsed building not from a missile but the cause of the collapse was from aggression.
She's lost all contact but she has been liasing with a help group set up by our government.
Things have eased here weather wise but very sad atmosphere..
My surgeon said to go to hospital and get an xray, sounds like I've detached my bicep, fingers crossed that hasn't happened because would mean more surgery.
 
I agree with everything you've stated but not your conclusion. Yes we can all be manipulated and some people are easily manipulated. I still believe in exposing these situations. I think that builds a better future compared to the alternative.
It’s not exposing it fully though is it?
Even if you were over there you wouldn’t get a full grasp.
All of our opinions are ill informed at best on issues such as this.
 
Glad to see the SWIFT decision made. I really wish Ukraine wasn't left to fight on their own. For a country that has suffered so much through history - Communist oppression, Nazi oppression, Communist oppression again, Chernobyl, etc etc, it is heartbreaking to see it subject to this completely unjustified invasion.
 
Please explain more I like to listen to all sides of the story I know he did something with freezing people's bank accounts
Here’s a link that will give you an idea of what he’s about. It’s delivered satirically so I hope you appreciate the comedy aspect, but none the less the facts are all easily checked out.
‘Fact’ #6 cannot be varied but the circumstantial information given around it is all factual. You make up your own mind on that one 🤔.
Enjoy.

 
I regret some of my politically-tinged posts earlier in the thread, this war transcends politics. I wish the US and Europe would do more, but I get why it is hard and it is not really about who is in power.
With the exception of course being Putin and to a lesser extent fellow autocrat Lukashenko who has allowed the former to use Belarus as a marshalling area along hundreds of kilometres of the border with Ukraine.

I am sure that you are aware of such and it's only a couple of years since the streets were long full of people when he again took control of the ballots and stole the last election.

It's not really politics in such cases, moreso power.
 
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With the exception of course being Putin and to a lesser extent fellow autocrat Lukashenko who has allowed the former to use Belarus as a marshalling area along hundreds of kilometres of the border with Ukraine.

I am sure that you are aware of such and it's only a couple of years since the streets were long full of people when he again took control of the ballots and stole the last election.

It's not really politics in such cases, moreso power.
Oh yes of course with the exception of those two. Lukashenko's an interesting one, there's definitely been some kind of decisive dodgy deal in the background recently between him and Putin - while they are fellow autocrats, in the last couple of years there had been some tension between him and Russia, he had even flirted with the the EU. Now he is 100% in lockstep with Putin (who of course helped him stay in power recently during a civil uprising). His recent attempt to flood Poland with refugees seemed unhinged, but I suspect it was Putin's idea.
 
Glad to see the SWIFT decision made. I really wish Ukraine wasn't left to fight on their own. For a country that has suffered so much through history - Communist oppression, Nazi oppression, Communist oppression again, Chernobyl, etc etc, it is heartbreaking to see it subject to this completely unjustified invasion.

Agree that its good they finally moved on SWIFT, although it is only on selected banks at the moment. Trust they get it right.

Still nobody has moved on the real showstopper. Noone has sanctioned oil and gas sales. The US are buying 600,000 barrels a day from Russia at the moment. That needs to stop immediately and the US (maybe even Aus, need to feel the pain at the petrol pump). Given the choice of sending men to die in the Ukraine or paying significantly more for fuel (and the flow on inflation), that is a small sacrifice.
 
There was no other part
You were disagreeing with what you added on to what I actually said
My post was just about Soros
Anti Soros does not equate to pro Putin
Maybe 50+ years of supporting Tigers has left me confused and unable to have rational thoughts, so I am sorry if I misunderstood what you meant.

What I found confusing was that you made a comment about George Soros stating,

"I find it's good practice for humanity to oppose anything George Soros supports."

You made this comment immediately after posting 5 or 6 social media quotes made by him in strong support of Ukraine and clearly condemning Russia's (more correctly Putin's) actions.

I thought that it was quite clear that George Soros was strongly opposing Putin's actions and that you were quite clear in stating that it is good practice to oppose anything he supports.

Sorry if you are thinking that I am being pedantic.
 
Thanks everyone for you support.
My fears have been confirmed, I have a minor tear of a bicep horn whatever that us and I'm waiting to hear from surgeon to tell me when he is opetating on it. On pain killers again, I'll be back to annoy everone after surgery
 
Thanks everyone for you support.
My fears have been confirmed, I have a minor tear of a bicep horn whatever that us and I'm waiting to hear from surgeon to tell me when he is opetating on it. On pain killers again, I'll be back to annoy everone after surgery
Good luck mate.

You'll be right, i'm recovering from surgery aswell but ankle instead lol. Don't go too hard on the painkillers
 

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