Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[diedpretty]

I can't see the Chrichton question being answered soon. He was offered and accepted the roosters extension so I can imagine he will bide his time to see if it can work out at the roosters before seriously entertaining offers from other clubs - unless of course he has already been tapped on the shoulder.

What a bastard of a club though. Offer him a 2 year extension to keep a hold on him even though they know they can't get it ratified by NRL. Then go about getting all their ducks in a row to make big play for Munster and Cobbo. If they are a seroius chance of getting them AC.s extension will be off the table quicker than he can find a pen to sign it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What a bastard of a club though. Offer him a 2 year extension to keep a hold on him even though they know they can't get it ratified by NRL. Then go about getting all their ducks in a row to make big play for Munster and Cobbo. If they are a seroius chance of getting them AC.s extension will be off the table quicker than he can find a pen to sign it.

AC can force the issue. It is not as though he will be left without options if the Roosters advise they cannot re-sign him yet because they have higher priorities.

 

[Demps]

Burton is at a cross roads....

If he leaves the Dogs - he would be going back to Penrith to play centre.

Or to another club.... to probably play centre.

 

[jirskyr]

I would be interesting to undertake a comparison between WTs' investment in its junior districts to the investments made by Melbourne, Roosters and even the Broncos. I have the strong suspicion that it is much easier to pick the eyes out of the best juniors from those clubs which do invest in junior districts when you are spending next to nothing on your own districts (perhaps because they don't exist which is another issue).

I agree. Consider the annual cost of trying to support hundreds of kids playing every week, including rep matches, versus the annual cost of a single very well-funded recruitment unit within your club that scouts all districts.

 

[jirskyr]

What a bastard of a club though. Offer him a 2 year extension to keep a hold on him even though they know they can't get it ratified by NRL. Then go about getting all their ducks in a row to make big play for Munster and Cobbo. If they are a seroius chance of getting them AC.s extension will be off the table quicker than he can find a pen to sign it.

I agree, but surely players must understand this is what they get with the Roosters? Roosters appear to be very loyal and will definitely take care of you, but it's on their own terms, and those terms may include putting you out to a well-paid pasture when a shiny new toy comes to market.

Also Roosters might talk big about bringing kids into their system and "up-skilling" them once they arrive, but it must be clear to everyone that this consists almost entirely of paying for the boom players from anywhere.

It's not even that Roosters find these kids at 15 or 16 and bring them in, which can reasonably be claimed to be a significant investment in a middle-juniors program (which is what they did with Manu and Latrell). No they barely bother with that any more, they wait for the boom to hit, then swoop. E.g. JWH after Manly identified him, Tedesco after being established at Tigers, Sam Walker stolen from Broncos, Crichton and Suaalii stolen from Souths, Cheese from Melbourne etc. etc. Almost anyone prominently decent were purchased at their prime, not carefully developed since early teens.

You can be angry about it, and it does annoy me, but it's obviously a strategy that also works. They take the lowest possible risks with outlaying for young footballers, and become a desirable destination for having a high-quality roster with lucrative / long-term pay and support options.

I personally think it's soul-less and dislike that club immensely, and it's a far far cry from what the old Easts Roosters were when my Grandma supported them as a kid from Paddington, even in the 1980s. Maybe, however, it's the way many clubs are going, and it perhaps raises an argument for the NRL taking central control of all junior funding.

 

[SeanT]

I understand the enthusiasm to get Crichton but not at the expense of upset in the dressing shed because he is getting more $ than a more highly performed player in the same pos. He should want to come to WTs because we are WTs and play positive, attacking football with a strong defence. This is just my opinion.

75-100k more is hardly that big a margin.

Look at Tino at gold coast. Getting 700/750k while fifita gets 1.2 million.

That is a balls up in regards to morale.

Pap is playing better than Chrichton now. Over the career though Crighton would take the win because he was more consistent. Pap was ordinary as at the Warriors.

I just think 700k is worth it. Nothing more though.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

So we have multiple people say he's been offered a deal and a couple of people who say he hasn't. It's not easy to to know which is gospel.

I doubt any formal deal has been offered, it would be more conversational with intent.
Would think this will take a few months with SOO around the corner then finals.
Angus won't have any issues finding a club so he doesn't need to rush into a decision.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

75-100k more is hardly that big a margin.

Look at Tino at gold coast. Getting 700/750k while fifita gets 1.2 million.

That is a balls up in regards to morale.

Pap is playing better than Chrichton now. Over the career though Crighton would take the win because he was more consistent. Pap was ordinary as at the Warriors.

I just think 700k is worth it. Nothing more though.

I remember being told about how inequities in contract $ can undermine morale in the sheds. I'm glad we don't have to make the decision.

 

[TigerVinnie]

Burton is at a cross roads....

If he leaves the Dogs - he would be going back to Penrith to play centre.

Or to another club.... to probably play centre.

I think Storm have their Munster answer by Nov 1 and use his money for a direct swap with Burton to play 6. Would be a superstar there.

 

[jirskyr]

What's Rumoured confirmed mean?

I'm interested, if it is made public, does that make is a confirmed rumoured-confirmed? Or if I pass it onto my mate before then, is it still a rumoured rumoured-confirmed?

 

[jirskyr]

See I like they keep stuff internally but I think that's bullocks.

Roosters paid 800k for Crighton to come to the Roosters in the first place. If we are offering 700k for a 26 year old state of origin rep then it is sound business to me. If they lose out to another club because they won't give that 100k more then not sure what they are doing. I understand not to overpay players but he is worth around the 700k for what hel bring.

Well it's fair to say that "what he's worth" is subjective. And you might be talking about something like $100K p.a. over a 3-4 year deal, if the player is looking for long-term security.

The thing with these $100Ks is they add up super fast. 1 x $100K boost to one player is the same as 1 x Top-30 minimum wage. 2 x $100Ks and you have a boom junior. 3 x $100Ks and you have a legitimate first-grader.

I'm always mindful of not assuming to spend someone else's one hundred thousand dollars.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I understand the enthusiasm to get Crichton but not at the expense of upset in the dressing shed because he is getting more $ than a more highly performed player in the same pos. He should want to come to WTs because we are WTs and play positive, attacking football with a strong defence. This is just my opinion.

It's easy to say he should want to come because we are the WTs but cmon lets be real - why would anyone leave a successful club to come to us unless it was because of cash or opportunity?

Even the roosters offer is lower but it isn't chump change.

Only way that works is if a player supports us & really wants a challenge to turn a club around, or we throw cash & court a player or it's because like Naden they want to play NRL in a certain position but can't in their current club and will with us because we lack players in that position.

Results wise we are on the decline the last few seasons, we don't have an identity and over the last 10 rounds our model has changed. Rounds 1-5 we played vastly different to rounds 6-10.

We have to court him plane and simple, and our only chip that will result in anything is Madge & cash.

One day I hope our results change and we become a destination club but the only way results will change is recruiting the right quality and experienced players mixed with a clear pathways strategy for the best young talent around.

 

[earl]

But we have to spend the vast majority of the cap so we either sign some marquee players along the way or we pay overs for many periphery players

There is a way around this. I also think this is what they do in the NBA. You basically pay out a bonus to all the players on your team.

I like this idea because it doesn't impact your cap longer term.

 

[SeanT]

I remember being told about how inequities in contract $ can undermine morale in the sheds. I'm glad we don't have to make the decision.

If I earned 600k a year I wouldn't give a crap if another bloke made 700k unless he was taking the piss. Crichton won't though.

 

[Long Term Fan]

Burton should go to Storm as he will be on money than Munster and can play 5/8.

Still need one prop and one second rower to compliment our squad for 2023

 

[SeanT]

I doubt any formal deal has been offered, it would be more conversational with intent.
Would think this will take a few months with SOO around the corner then finals.
Angus won't have any issues finding a club so he doesn't need to rush into a decision.

True but Clubs don't like to wait either and put there eggs in a few baskets. Good player or not if a team doesn't have space in Thier cap because you waited too long.. Dolphins will have space. Plenty of it by the way their recruitment is going haha

 

[SeanT]

It's easy to say he should want to come because we are the WTs but cmon lets be real - why would anyone leave a successful club to come to us unless it was because of cash or opportunity?

Even the roosters offer is lower but it isn't chump change.

Only way that works is if a player supports us & really wants a challenge to turn a club around, or we throw cash & court a player or it's because like Naden they want to play NRL in a certain position but can't in their current club and will with us because we lack players in that position.

Results wise we are on the decline the last few seasons, we don't have an identity and over the last 10 rounds our model has changed. Rounds 1-5 we played vastly different to rounds 6-10.

We have to court him plane and simple, and our only chip that will result in anything is Madge & cash.

One day I hope our results change and we become a destination club but the only way results will change is recruiting the right quality and experienced players mixed with a clear pathways strategy for the best young talent around.

Exactly. We will change. Get our junior pathways going, got our COE nearly complete. Couple of stra recruits next year. Adding Crichton and another rep would just add that perception that we aren't a destination club. At the moment other clubs think we are a joke which to be honest for the last 10 years they aren't off the mark.

We need a couple of big recruits on top of API and pap. 4 rep recruits with Stefano,Twal, Musgrove, Offa, Douhie and Hastings and you have the makings of a 6-10 placed side.

 

[Kelce68]

75-100k more is hardly that big a margin.

Look at Tino at gold coast. Getting 700/750k while fifita gets 1.2 million.

That is a balls up in regards to morale.

Pap is playing better than Chrichton now. Over the career though Crighton would take the win because he was more consistent. Pap was ordinary as at the Warriors.

I just think 700k is worth it. Nothing more though.

Exactly.

The argument that 100k extra can be the very thing that throws your cap out of whack when it represents 1% of the total cap and less than a third of the mean wage across the top 30, is hyperbole, built on a history of greater, and more numerous salary cap mismanagement decisions.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If I earned 600k a year I wouldn't give a crap if another bloke made 700k unless he was taking the piss. Crichton won't though.

What about if a player recruited in the same position is an international and playing much better football than AC. I see it would be an issue that a club may want to avoid. A 100k diffference is a big difference to most people (to me anyway).

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

True but Clubs don't like to wait either and put there eggs in a few baskets. Good player or not if a team doesn't have space in Thier cap because you waited too long.. Dolphins will have space. Plenty of it by the way their recruitment is going haha

We also have alot of cap space & will have even more after next year, rushing into decisions will just lead us down a path where we have been and isn't the answer (Bulldogs are the current examples of this) & we do have time to see how it unfolds.