Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

The only reason I could hope to believe is that Braith is a BIG fan of Sheens and Benji...
Braith is advising him
 
Coastie_Tiger said:
I still cant see Munster happening but if it did its the type of signing that attracts others, sometimes you only need one to get the ball rolling.
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The only way I can see Munster coming here is for $3mil a year for a deal of 5 years, as he would be kissing his rep career goodbye also.
 
Wombat said:
The only reason I could hope to believe is that Braith is a BIG fan of Sheens and Benji...
Braith is advising him
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Yeah, but braith has to put up with those other nitwits in his ear on 360.

I actually don't understand why all these "champion players" suggest to take the easy option and go to a "good club". How do you ever know if you're great? Or just surrounded by good players? It doesn't sound like a champion mentality to me.
 
batboy said:
That's how the Roosters do it yeah?

I would suggest most of what we did for the first 15 years was develop NRL players....
I don't classify 3/20 odd seasons in the finals as "Success"
- Winning the comp once is massive...

Having a chance to win it every year (Even every other year)
is just as massive...

Not only that, It creates success and players that want to stay.

I've mentioned it twice now, You claim it's the "only way"
Why then, Have we been utter shite for the majority of the time we were developing NRL players....
Say.... 2000 - 2017....

Why hasn't it worked? We've bought through some crackers!!
Generational players.
We're not even an average side...

We've made the finals 3 times in 23 seasons!!
THREE!!
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The Roosters are a unique case, but they have developed much more FG quality than we have. It's not only the local kids, it's recruiting teenagers, it's throwing resources into S&C, providing support for growing kids in a cut-throat world. It's also recruiting those that slip through the gaps - guys like Stefano. We should be signing two or three of these guys every year whilst we're supposedly rebuilding.

We have had intermittent success with development. The 05 crew obviously - juxtaposed with some canny recruitment. That also led into the 10/11 team, which probably should have at least made a GF is not won the comp. The years in between were a waste of time given some bad luck with injuries, but mostly due to poor recruitment around the core (no better example than Morris replacing Prince).

We then had the so-called 'big 4' group. We (again) stuffed around with the recruitment around them, stuffed up their retention, and after that, basically gave up on the development side of things.
As you mentioned in your earlier post, we've had 2/10ths of fark-all come through since then, which is a complete embarrassment. I think Seyfarth is the only WM/BT junior to debut between that crop and the recent guys like Matamua (correct me if wrong).
That we've now got the figureheads making a big song and dance about pathways and development as a game-changer is pathetic - it should be the minimum expectation for an NRL club, especially one with a decent junior catchment like ours.
We need to coach our kids better, get them prepared for life in the NRL.
We need to recruit kids from outside our catchment, and make sure that we're keeping the good ones from inside.

We'll never win a comp with purely local juniors, but if we're developing multiple waves of young kids coming through, it'll make the recruitment at the top level 10x easier.
For one, it's a lot easier to plan for the medium/long term when you have a strong depth chart coming through. Souths are a good example re: Illias vs Reynolds - they were able to let the latter go with confidence in the younger guy coming through. Thus saving heaps ($600k?) in their cap which can be spent strengthening elsewhere.
They've also got a young hooker in waiting for when Cook's contract is up next year.

So we absolutely need to recruit good FGers, and we should be going after stars at the moment given our cap situation. But it's going to be hard to sell the vision to anyone when the powers that be have been sitting on their hands for 10 years.
Hopefully we've finally woken up and realised that we're miles behind.
 
matches up with the oil ive been getting guys and girls. word is that WTs are looking to essentially give brooks' contract to munster with a fair bit of topping. brooks' manager aware of this and approaching other clubs in preparation. my source (close to a board heavy) believes we are in with a serious shot.
 
batboy said:
That's how the Roosters do it yeah?

I would suggest most of what we did for the first 15 years was develop NRL players....
I don't classify 3/20 odd seasons in the finals as "Success"
- Winning the comp once is massive...

Having a chance to win it every year (Even every other year)
is just as massive...

Not only that, It creates success and players that want to stay.

I've mentioned it twice now, You claim it's the "only way"
Why then, Have we been utter shite for the majority of the time we were developing NRL players....
Say.... 2000 - 2017....

Why hasn't it worked? We've bought through some crackers!!
Generational players.
We're not even an average side...

We've made the finals 3 times in 23 seasons!!
THREE!!
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Why?
Because we sign up our kids on ridiculous valued contracts and promote them early because the only players we can afford to help them grow and provide support around them are basically NSW cup level players. We can’t afford anyone else.
And now that we have the cash we’ve done so much reputable damage to our brand since 2012 that no one decent wants to consider joining us. That is unless we over pay the cap.
Look at the 2013 / 2014 / 2015 recruits. All the talk at the time was the young gun tigers everyone wanted to see what could only be described as a very similar spine to the Titans of this year, own the top grade. They were put on a pedestal partly because of the external fanfare surrounding the tigers but more importantly because the only senior halves we had recruited to support them was Jordan Rankin, Jack Littlejohn, Josh Drinkwater. Same goes with the forward pack with an aging and deteriorating Keith Galloway having to help develop Woods, Ava, Sue and to a lesser extent Taupau.
When we finally recruit some Senior support for Woods in Matolino he goes and does a dash to a rival club.

If you asked me, the only way the tigers can be competitive is if they stop trying to turn over their roster from players 20-30 and replace the roster from 1-19.
 
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