Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[851]

you have to look at it objectively. Luai's won three premierships, led his country to a World Cup final, starred at Origin level and has had success at all levels of the game.

Sullivan's played 20 odd first grade games, struggled with injury, form and development. Fainu has done well in the lower grades, but hasn't even made his debut. Lachlan Galvin hasn't even played Jersey Flegg yet.

now I have a lot of faith in the three I just mentioned – Fainu and Galvin especially – but I'd be lying if I knew how their first grade careers are going to turn out. Luai is a known commodity irrespective of whether he plays 6 or 7. excellent team attitude, brilliant on both sides of the ball and incredibly competitive. $1.1m isn't breaking the bank in this day and age. for a two-time wooden spoon-winning franchise we shouldn't even be in the frame to sign Luai, let alone this far advanced in the negotiation stage.

Don't get me wrong, if we snag Luai I will be happy, I just think if we miss out we will be fine

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

And we have accountants also. Add them to the prisoner guards.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

He won’t play Origin again though

With us his chances are alot less than at the Panthers.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Try not to lose any sleep beautiful humans

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

All up Luai is getting around 700K per year from that 850K deal. With the 1.2 million dollar deal, he is still getting at least 1 million per year (agents fees and after tax included). So a 300K difference at least. That's big money. And totally worth leaving for. He can get more TPAs as the main man than being at penrith where his importance is way lesser. Also, I don't think he will play origin again, so money from that won't come by staying at penrith or anywhere else.

You forgot agent % from your calculations.

 

[rugbygoated]

If you break it down I doubt overall he will be forgoing alot of cash.

Players have their base salary which is being discussed and then get paid for finals/winning/rep games. At the Panthers he might actually make more staying & winning than playing for us.

Gets paid more to not play in September and have an early holiday after already having 3 premierships? I don't think he'd mind that

 

[rugbygoated]

You forgot agent % from your calculations.

I mentioned agents fees and after tax. 700K is around what he'd get per year if he had an agent and taking after tax. So that takes off about 150K. With a 1.2 million dollar deal, he'd get around 1 million. So that makes it around 300K in difference. After 4 years he earns 1.2 million dollars more than if he took a penrith offer of 850K of 4 years

 

[Kaito]

I worked in a maximum security prison, so I know exactly what goes on in there, so take his posts with a huge grain of salt

Didn't know you were a screw 851, tough job!
I bet you got some wild stories as well lmao

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Gets paid more to not play in September and have an early holiday after already having 3 premierships? I don't think he'd mind that

I think he would hate not playing finals.
He wouldn’t know what to do as he has been doing it basically all his career.
If it was his last deal then sure could think that way but he will get another deal after his next one regardless who he signs with.

I can’t see him being a bludger and going woohoo let’s sign for more and have less games to play.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Didn't know you were a screw 851, tough job!
I bet you got some wild stories as well lmao

Yes. Inspirational stories. Please share. Kaito wants to know.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

With us his chances are alot less than at the Panthers.

Tell Api that

 

[rugbygoated]

Try not to lose any sleep beautiful humans

I'm actually enjoying this. Player signings are one of the most exciting things of the off season. Even if we don't end up getting him, it was interesting chat at the very least

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Was it?

 

[rugbygoated]

Tell Api that

NSW have a lot of 5/8s to choose from. Hooker-wise not many options other than an old Cookie, Koroisau and a rookie in Robson

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Fantasy at best. But I respect you. It is a forum. Thank you for sharing.

 

[teddy23]

you have to look at it objectively. Luai's won three premierships, led his country to a World Cup final, starred at Origin level and has had success at all levels of the game.

Sullivan's played 20 odd first grade games, struggled with injury, form and development. Fainu has done well in the lower grades, but hasn't even made his debut. Lachlan Galvin hasn't even played Jersey Flegg yet.

now I have a lot of faith in the three I just mentioned – Fainu and Galvin especially – but I'd be lying if I knew how their first grade careers are going to turn out. Luai is a known commodity irrespective of whether he plays 6 or 7. excellent team attitude, brilliant on both sides of the ball and incredibly competitive. $1.1m isn't breaking the bank in this day and age. for a two-time wooden spoon-winning franchise we shouldn't even be in the frame to sign Luai, let alone this far advanced in the negotiation stage.

Am I by no stretch questioning Luai as a footballer just to be clear. Hence why I agree with your point - I would not be throwing a tantrum if we signed him on this deal due to his talent and track record. I’d welcome him signing of course, yet at the same time not be overly frustrated if he didn’t.

The only thing I question is the responsibility we’re going to be offering him - giving him the team and the 7 jersey weighs massive risk especially when he has never showcased that before. The $4.5 million over 4 years isn’t chump change as well that’s serious money. However, due to his ability and our desperation I’d be willing to take the risk as I think he’s capable of doing that … am I 100% confident unfortunately not.

I only mention Fainu, Sullivan and Galvin as I do believe one of them will be an elite 7 in this game and it won’t be too too long until they show glimpses of that soon.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Thanks for clearing that up Teddy. Makes sense now.

 

[Spidercam]

Am I by no stretch questioning Luai as a footballer just to be clear. Hence why I agree with your point - I would not be throwing a tantrum if we signed him on this deal due to his talent and track record. I’d welcome him signing of course, yet at the same time not be overly frustrated if he didn’t.

The only thing I question is the responsibility we’re going to be offering him - giving him the team and the 7 jersey weighs massive risk especially when he has never showcased that before. The $4.5 million over 4 years isn’t chump change as well that’s serious money. However, due to his ability and our desperation I’d be willing to take the risk as I think he’s capable of doing that … am I 100% confident unfortunately not.

I only mention Fainu, Sullivan and Galvin as I do believe one of them will be an elite 7 in this game and it won’t be too too long until they show glimpses of that soon.

Already our team is light years ahead of where it was this time last year… let’s be honest we played the entire 2023 without a half and still competed in most games…
Can’t wait to see what these 3 can do 💪

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Light years ahead already? You heard it here first.

 

[jrtiger]

Am I by no stretch questioning Luai as a footballer just to be clear. Hence why I agree with your point - I would not be throwing a tantrum if we signed him on this deal due to his talent and track record. I’d welcome him signing of course, yet at the same time not be overly frustrated if he didn’t.

The only thing I question is the responsibility we’re going to be offering him - giving him the team and the 7 jersey weighs massive risk especially when he has never showcased that before. The $4.5 million over 4 years isn’t chump change as well that’s serious money. However, due to his ability and our desperation I’d be willing to take the risk as I think he’s capable of doing that … am I 100% confident unfortunately not.

I only mention Fainu, Sullivan and Galvin as I do believe one of them will be an elite 7 in this game and it won’t be too too long until they show glimpses of that soon.

I definitely get where you're coming from in terms of not being too fussed either way. I'm in a similar boat. obviously though I do think we're doing the right thing.

I'm not 100% confident of Luai's ability to play 7 either, but with Api at 9 I think that a lot of pressure will be taken off him as Api can control a lot of what we do from acting half.

Fainu is the most likely to be the elite halfback of the three. he is gifted. Galvin has a similar level of talent but I just can't see him remaining in the halves for many years given his size. Sullivan still possesses the brilliance and x-factor he had when he took Illawarra to an SG Ball title, but his first grade performances have left a lot to be desired, irrespective of how the pandemic, injury and Anthony Griffin affected his development. I think Benji will be great for him but admittedly I do have him behind the other two.