Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Oldman said:
All clubs have a Head of recruitment or something the same ?
The Head Coach talks to the CEO
and if agreed upon that they want to offer a player a contract they notify the Head of recruitment who goes through the figures and informs them how it can be done.
e.g
Do we have the money ?
Do we have the space ?
Do we need to let players go to make this happen ?

All are involved in some way in getting the players they want.
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Do we have the SPICE?!
 
teddy23 said:
Question for the forum just curiosity - if you had the option of offering Luai to 2 deals.

1 - 4 years for $4.8 million
2- 5 years for $5.5 million

Which deal do you do? Cause if true that Dogs have offered that extra year at a reduced $ per season. Would you be tempted giving that extra year and dropping 100k each season from our previous offer so we still marginally beat the Dogs offer?

That might be the deal to get it done - not saying we should do it just curious on everyone’s thoughts?
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Id offer 5 years $6m. Get it done
 
teddy23 said:
Question for the forum just curiosity - if you had the option of offering Luai to 2 deals.

1 - 4 years for $4.8 million
2- 5 years for $5.5 million

Which deal do you do? Cause if true that Dogs have offered that extra year at a reduced $ per season. Would you be tempted giving that extra year and dropping 100k each season from our previous offer so we still marginally beat the Dogs offer?

That might be the deal to get it done - not saying we should do it just curious on everyone’s thoughts?
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I think it comes down to tax. The extra year at Dogs on less money will be taxed more over time and be $125K less per season
 
weststigers said:
You could probably lay down both offers, but I would simply match the Dogs deal.

At 31, I don't think he's done yet. He still has time for another deal. We may even be able to shift him early if Galvin and Fainu are ready for NRL.
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100%. DCE is 34 years old and is still the QLD origin captain and playing excellent footy at all levels. Halves out of all positions last the longest. Forwards and outside backs who do most of the grunt work retire earlier
 
teddy23 said:
Question for the forum just curiosity - if you had the option of offering Luai to 2 deals.

1 - 4 years for $4.8 million
2- 5 years for $5.5 million

Which deal do you do? Cause if true that Dogs have offered that extra year at a reduced $ per season. Would you be tempted giving that extra year and dropping 100k each season from our previous offer so we still marginally beat the Dogs offer?

That might be the deal to get it done - not saying we should do it just curious on everyone’s thoughts?
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If the report coming from the dogs board member's son is ligit, it doesn't matter anymore does it?
Only Penrith can negotiate with him in the 10 day cooling off period (i think)
In regards to your question posed you'd have to consider it the extra year on reduced money over the term of the contract. But going off what Richardson said you'd have to be wary about blocking your youngsters path, Luai is still young enough for a deal like that to be offered. You could argue he still has a decent contract period post the 5 yrs consdiering how long halves are playing now.
 
rugbygoated said:
100%. DCE is 34 years old and is still the QLD origin captain and playing excellent footy at all levels. Halves out of all positions last the longest. Forwards and outside backs who do most of the grunt work retire earlier
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They go down hill fast though. Look at Thurston. Greatest example of a playse gotmg one season too long. Cam Smith is the greatest example of a player making age look easy.
 
Gus rarely misses out on who he wants- re. Luai. We were a reasonable chance when they were chasing AFB and now that has changed, in my mind we have got buckleys. Onward and hopefully upward.
 
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rugbygoated said:
It seems some of us haven't listened to Shane Richardson's presser closely enough. While he did say juniors provide the base, he also said we need to have the cream. He described us having that cream with some exciting players (like Koroisau and Bula) but he seemed hungry for more. He stated it as not having "all our eggs in one basket" but alludes to having a balance between the cream and the base
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As long as we dont sell the farm for them.
I wouldnt be upping our Luai offer now that we've pulled out of the race for AFB.
 
rugbygoated said:
played excellent in his debut series when NSW beat QLD 76-6 across two games and he missed the last game NSW lost. The last two years in Origin, he has been better than Cleary. Scored a try in the 2022 decider. Was excellent in game 1 this year. Game 2 was mission impossible with Damien Cook next to him at centre and a new halves partner up in Brisbane down 1-0. Put down the series loss to Freddy picking Nicho at 14 which cost us game 1 big time
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As a QLDer, he doesnt worry me at all at 5/8th.
A bit out of the Mitchel Pearce mould.
He goes well at club level though.
 
Lukic said:
Missing out on Luai would be a blessing.

We'd make him close to the highest paid player in the game when he's not a top 10 (and frankly top 25) player in the game.

At absolute best, he'd be a slight overpay for a number of years. At worst, a back-breaking contract which sets back our rebuild even further.

I would even cop the overpay if he at lesst showed he was elite at being the no.1 option and leader of his team. Instead we'd be paying him overs and top of the market salary for a role which would be unfamiliar and that he's ultimately unproven in.

Maybe he'd motivated to try and prove people wrong and add to his game? I guess that's a possibility. But jeez when you're paying close to 5m over the length of a deal, you want to be paying it to someone who's absolutely the finished product and not someone you're going to need to level up.
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I massively disagree. To say that he's not a top 25 player in the game is a ridiculous statement. Origin player, 3x premiership winner and Carried Samoa on his back to a World cup final playing halfback.

Too many idiots in this place who let their distaste of the bloke's social media profile get in the way of objectively looking at the guys ability and impact.

Panthers still win games without Cleary over the years, but have a really poor record without Luai
 
Regardless of Luai, the way Richo speaks I think a high priority will be placed on extending Stefano & Tupou asap and ensuring we have all our ducks in a row to secure 16yos Onitoni Large & Heamasi Makasini once they turn 17.

If it becomes likely that Stef (mutual option for 25) & Tupou (off contract 25) will depart, then we have that Plan B to secure another experienced middle & explosive outside back (possibly the May brothers or a Bailey Simonsen/Nick Meaney type).

I would also strongly consider offering Onitoni a Top 30 (yes top 30) contract at 17 (to ward off rivals as this kid is a generational talent with speed to burn) & Makasini a development contract in '25 with top 30 in '26.

They would be my 4 priorities!
 
jirskyr said:
I do find it interesting that most people were on-board having a crack at AFB, including myself, and now Richo says we've withdrawn the offer, and many folks are saying "OK probably the right move".

If Pascoe had withdrawn the offer, same folks would probably have lost their minds.
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Not me. I think his money is better spent elsewhere.
 
teddy23 said:
Question for the forum just curiosity - if you had the option of offering Luai to 2 deals.

1 - 4 years for $4.8 million
2- 5 years for $5.5 million

Which deal do you do? Cause if true that Dogs have offered that extra year at a reduced $ per season. Would you be tempted giving that extra year and dropping 100k each season from our previous offer so we still marginally beat the Dogs offer?

That might be the deal to get it done - not saying we should do it just curious on everyone’s thoughts?
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Why do we need to pay him more than what the Bulldogs are offering him ?
It’s been reported they have offered him a flat 5 million for 5 years.
We don’t need him for 5 years, so if we do desperately want him, why not offer him 3.75 million for 3 years which is 250k per season more than what the Bulldogs are offering and it does not block the pathway for our up and coming halves for longer than what they will hopefully hang around waiting to be regular NRL starting players.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
They go down hill fast though. Look at Thurston. Greatest example of a playse gotmg one season too long. Cam Smith is the greatest example of a player making age look easy.
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Yes. Thursty's final season, following a GF appearance without him the year previous, was awful on every level.
Smith looked like he could have played till he was 50
 
Vicious said:
Benji will have final say on recruitment/retention within reason.
A good CEO such as Richo will advise on how much a player is worth in relation to our Salary Cap and will not approve paying what he believes is too much for any one player.
A big part of our past failures has been paying much more than the true value when recruiting. I think previous management succumbed to the pressure of being labelled a club that nobody wanted to sign for and succumbed to paying well above the market value for far too many recruits in the past.
It appears someone like Richo will not let that be the case while he’s in charge.
I still can’t see how Luai is worth 1 million dollars per season, but that’s another story.
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Hang on....what you have said here mirrors what I just said to you.
The discussion was Benji should have final say over recruitment and retention decisions. I disagreed with you...Which do you now believe?
 
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