Tallyn Da Silva #270

[Kelce68]

This is the part where either many are being confused or are attempting to confuse others on purpose.
TDS is the backup in 25. He knows this and has acknowledged it
TDS is the backup in 26, unless he proves his worth late in the season. He knows this and has acknowledged it.
TDS considers 27 to be the year he becomes our fulltime No.9. Now if we dont think he will be ready by then by all means re-sign Api as well as him.
However...this decision needs to be managed properly. The kid is making waves saying he is not happy that he will still be considered backup in 27. Quite clearly, other clubs are stroking his ego. Good management talks him into staying. Good management convinces him that his career is better served staying here and learning from Api. Good management also reassures him that he will be no.1 choice sometime in 27 as Api will be busted and likely finished by then - he will be our first choice 9 for the vast majority of his next contract.
If Tallyn is now saying he wants out early and doesnt even want to consider an extension, then I suggest we have not managed the situation properly. The numbers this year clearly outline that we are better than a 50% chance of winnng games with an Api/Tallyn combination. Marshals refusal to use him this past month has resulted in 4 close losses. That is poor management.

I've alluded to my concerns here too. They should've managed the transition discussion a lot better.

 

[tig_prmz]

Benji's love for Api is for a reason.

That guy is a soldier, and he has single handedly won us games on many occasions. We're slowly building a team to support him, and I'm sure Benji thinks he deserves and should be a big part of that team.

If, and it's a big if, no one has had discussions with TDS about the plan around him and Api - only then it's a big mistake from Benji or the club.

To me, it seems mad that neither him or Richo would have been very clear with the long term plan for him. I have no doubt those conversations have taken place.

TDS just isn't happy with it - and that's fine. But don't blame it on Benji/the club.

Api is our starter for the rest of this season, and IMO the next depending on how he's traveling. No one will be starting TDS ahead of Api right now, and not many would be starting TDS ahead of Api next season - increased minutes for sure; and if he has a deal better than that, I can see why he might want to take it - though disappointed he doesn't want to be part of our future.

For once, we have good leaders and senior players in the team.

Luai, Twal and Api both have great leadership qualities and their interviews have the undenying support of the team.

Then you have another senior guy like Douehi who IMO was quite a selfish player in the first 3 years but since his last reco, he seems to have turned over a leaf.

You have to keep this core group together IMO along with Sam Fainu who seems more of a leader than Sione Fainu, his older brother.

I'm sick of players "having their shot at NRL" with the Tigers. I want players who are grateful to play NRL and would do anything to stay in the 17 and to help the team.

Sick of this "me first" mentality.

The recruiters need to do a better job at screening them out because we can't have these players corrupt our playing gropu.

 

[tig_prmz]

This is the part where either many are being confused or are attempting to confuse others on purpose.
TDS is the backup in 25. He knows this and has acknowledged it
TDS is the backup in 26, unless he proves his worth late in the season. He knows this and has acknowledged it.
TDS considers 27 to be the year he becomes our fulltime No.9. Now if we dont think he will be ready by then by all means re-sign Api as well as him.
However...this decision needs to be managed properly. The kid is making waves saying he is not happy that he will still be considered backup in 27. Quite clearly, other clubs are stroking his ego. Good management talks him into staying. Good management convinces him that his career is better served staying here and learning from Api. Good management also reassures him that he will be no.1 choice sometime in 27 as Api will be busted and likely finished by then - he will be our first choice 9 for the vast majority of his next contract.
If Tallyn is now saying he wants out early and doesnt even want to consider an extension, then I suggest we have not managed the situation properly. The numbers this year clearly outline that we are better than a 50% chance of winnng games with an Api/Tallyn combination. Marshals refusal to use him this past month has resulted in 4 close losses. That is poor management.

There will be hooking jobs available after 2026 as well. You signed a contract til 2026, just because things may chance in 2027 which is 2 years away doesn't mean you request a release now.

I hear media say all the time that if players weren't playing good, the club would not hesitate in asking them to move on. The difference is that it's a team sport. The player still gets a payout and the club continues to support and develop them. Whereas, once a player asks for a release, they just sit back and whinge until they're let go.

We need to put our foot down and go through with our plan no matter what.

TDS can talk to clubs Nov 1 onwards, end of story, when it's the off season. He's not that good that teams can't wait to have him for 2026.

Set a bloody standard and stick to it. Declare to the whole NRL that player release requests will not be tolerated and will not be accepted.

 

[TheClaws]

It’s not about public admiration and ego stroking. You’re going out on a limb defending Benji when you don’t even know if Benji rates him. It’s been said that Richo wants him but Benji doesn’t. And given how quiet Benji has been about TDS, how could you argue that isn’t true. If a coach truly values a player, do you really think his response to a question regarding if the player will be at the club in another week would be “I don’t know”?

It’s only aggressive if you perceive it that way. Iongi left the Panthers because he had Edwards in front of him. Was he wrong for doing that? Players leave clubs for better opportunities all the time. And if Benji isn’t a fan, what’s TDS supposed to do?

What I said above pretty much covers this as well. My only question, before his management alerted the club, did Benji express ANY desire to keep him? All he has done is lather Api. That’s his prerogative, but it’s also the players prerogative to leave if he’s obviously not wanted. All of this defence of Benji and there isn’t even any evidence he wants him.

Maybe benji learnt from the last bloke he talked up.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe benji learnt from the last bloke he talked up.

He doesn’t have to glaze him. Just convey that there is a future for him at the club.

 

[TheClaws]

There will be hooking jobs available after 2026 as well. You signed a contract til 2026, just because things may chance in 2027 which is 2 years away doesn't mean you request a release now.

I hear media say all the time that if players weren't playing good, the club would not hesitate in asking them to move on. The difference is that it's a team sport. The player still gets a payout and the club continues to support and develop them. Whereas, once a player asks for a release, they just sit back and whinge until they're let go.

We need to put our foot down and go through with our plan no matter what.

TDS can talk to clubs Nov 1 onwards, end of story, when it's the off season. He's not that good that teams can't wait to have him for 2026.

Set a bloody standard and stick to it. Declare to the whole NRL that player release requests will not be tolerated and will not be accepted.

Do you think perhaps that Richo and Benji want to loan him out to Newcastle for the remainder of this season in order to get KPP early. So you would probably also want to lock him down for more than next yr because he will obviously be in the shop window prior to Nov 1. So we table an offer and his manager says ok, but let's see how your offer compares to the market as Tallyn is interested in a starting 9 role and his opportunities there...as this is what u are obviously offering him to Newcastle as....if I were Tallyn I would probably do the same. So instead of crucifying the kid, maybe it is the club pushing this and Benjis comment in the presser was related more to the fact they want to loan him to Newcastle in order to get KPP early, that's why he may not be here June 30.

 

[Tucker]

There will be hooking jobs available after 2026 as well. You signed a contract til 2026, just because things may chance in 2027 which is 2 years away doesn't mean you request a release now.

I hear media say all the time that if players weren't playing good, the club would not hesitate in asking them to move on. The difference is that it's a team sport. The player still gets a payout and the club continues to support and develop them. Whereas, once a player asks for a release, they just sit back and whinge until they're let go.

We need to put our foot down and go through with our plan no matter what.

TDS can talk to clubs Nov 1 onwards, end of story, when it's the off season. He's not that good that teams can't wait to have him for 2026.

Set a bloody standard and stick to it. Declare to the whole NRL that player release requests will not be tolerated and will not be accepted.

This situation hasnt got to the point that he is requesting a release organically. There has been a clear breakdown in relationships through what Id suggest is poor communication from management. This kid was not talking like this a few months ago.
As for setting a standard that players cant break contract...I absolutely agree but as you pointed out, the player holds the power once it gets to that stage.

 

[TheClaws]

He doesn’t have to glaze him. Just convey that there is a future for him at the club.

Once bitten i guess...although there does seem to be something more to all of this.

 

[mtd#2]

It’s not about public admiration and ego stroking. You’re going out on a limb defending Benji when you don’t even know if Benji rates him. It’s been said that Richo wants him but Benji doesn’t. And given how quiet Benji has been about TDS, how could you argue that isn’t true. If a coach truly values a player, do you really think his response to a question regarding if the player will be at the club in another week would be “I don’t know”?

It’s only aggressive if you perceive it that way. Iongi left the Panthers because he had Edwards in front of him. Was he wrong for doing that? Players leave clubs for better opportunities all the time. And if Benji isn’t a fan, what’s TDS supposed to do?

What I said above pretty much covers this as well. My only question, before his management alerted the club, did Benji express ANY desire to keep him? All he has done is lather Api. That’s his prerogative, but it’s also the players prerogative to leave if he’s obviously not wanted. All of this defence of Benji and there isn’t even any evidence he wants him.

He made one comment about API staying how is that lathering him?

No we haven't.

We let Onitoni and Ashton go nearly a year ago.

Hardly anyone had heard of Ashton, who is also a hooker (for those who weren't aware), was 15 at the time, had (at least) Haywood, TDS, Hope, Api, etc, ahead of him, we really going to count him?

What about the fact the Onitoni left because, at the time, we had Latu, Galvin and Luai all contracted, for several years at least, at the club. This time last year, 5/8th was possibly our most stacked position, at least as far as prospects go.

TDS hasn't gone anywhere yet and is contracted for the next 18 months. It's now, currently, as above was when Large left, probably our most stacked position. Api is a lock and Haywood is nipping at Tallyn's (who I want to retain) heels.

So, not only have you shortened the time period to make your argument sound stronger, it's not telling the entire story.

In the same period of time, we've retained Heamasi, Haywood, Taupau-Moors, Godinet, Mason, et al. All highly-rated juniors, some more than others, all recently retained, despite heavy interest, especially in the case of Makasini and to a lesser extent Haywood, Taupau-Moors and Godinet at the least. I have no knowledge of any interest in Heath before his small extension. You can add the likes of Pole as well, a junior who recently spurned interest from Melbourne, despite being Victorian and having family in Melbourne, to re-sign.

This BS about us losing more gun juniors than anyone else, poor management, is simply not accurate anymore, like it was through the 2010s. We're also out poaching young, gun juniors from other systems and are more than happy to put them into our long-term plans in the 13; the Fainus (Manly), Tito (Penrith), etc.

I don't understand what people want. Genuinely. Do people want to lose no juniors at all? It's a fantasy.

This isn't negligence that has cost us some good young players in positions of need. The big outs of late have mostly (bar the anomaly that is Lachlan Galvin), been because of tricky and difficult logjams in positions we're relatively strong in, hooker, five-eighth, etc.

Preach!!!!

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

During the last offseason Jason Ryles received a ton of criticism when he made the difficult decision to push the heart and soul of his club out the door in favour of a bloke who’d played one NRL game.

A few months on and no one at Parramatta is complaining about the coaches choice 🤔

Complete different situation tho... Gutho appeared to be on his last legs & on the decline whilst Api is still producing at an elite level & is a top 3 hooker in the comp.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

This is the part where either many are being confused or are attempting to confuse others on purpose.
TDS is the backup in 25. He knows this and has acknowledged it
TDS is the backup in 26, unless he proves his worth late in the season. He knows this and has acknowledged it.
TDS considers 27 to be the year he becomes our fulltime No.9. Now if we dont think he will be ready by then by all means re-sign Api as well as him.
However...this decision needs to be managed properly. The kid is making waves saying he is not happy that he will still be considered backup in 27. Quite clearly, other clubs are stroking his ego. Good management talks him into staying. Good management convinces him that his career is better served staying here and learning from Api. Good management also reassures him that he will be no.1 choice sometime in 27 as Api will be busted and likely finished by then - he will be our first choice 9 for the vast majority of his next contract.
If Tallyn is now saying he wants out early and doesnt even want to consider an extension, then I suggest we have not managed the situation properly. The numbers this year clearly outline that we are better than a 50% chance of winnng games with an Api/Tallyn combination. Marshals refusal to use him this past month has resulted in 4 close losses. That is poor management.

Stroking the TDS ego..............$600k PA?
Ad that to Api's...., maybe $700k?
This makes our hooker position over $1.3 mil.
Any other hookers and back-up over the $1.3 million mark? Get cracking stats. boys; or tell me it makes sense.

 

[mtd#2]

TDS considers 27 to be the year he becomes our fulltime No.9. Now if we dont think he will be ready by then by all means re-sign Api as well as him.

You're speculating...

 

[Tucker]

Stroking the TDS ego..............$600k PA?
Ad that to Api's...., maybe $700k?
This makes our hooker position over $1.3 mil.
Any other hookers and back-up over the $1.3 million mark? Get cracking stats. boys; or tell me it makes sense.

Obviously Api's pay has to decrease. He would be the backup for most of the next contract.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

You're speculating...

Exactly TDS wants to be starting FACT, it ain't gonna happen here because he is light years behind Api, but he is killing it in the KOE so he must be the second coming of Cam Smith.

 

[Tucker]

You're speculating...

No, he has said that.
He stated words to the effect that he isnt ready currently.
Theres is some speculation about 27, but he has clearly said he isnt ready now.
The speculation is that he wants the primary role right now.

 

[Tucker]

Exactly TDS wants to be starting FACT, it ain't gonna happen here because he is light years behind Api, but he is killing it in the KOE so he must be the second coming of Cam Smith.

Its a fact? How do you know that?
Also, he isnt light years behind Api. He is coming along nicely.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Complete different situation tho... Gutho appeared to be on his last legs & on the decline whilst Api is still producing at an elite level & is a top 3 hooker in the comp.

Gutho did pretty well for a bloke “on his last legs” 👇

 

[batboy]

Gutho did pretty well for a bloke “on his last legs” 👇

They were battling us for the spoon in the last round, no?
Eels have long had the belief they weren't getting enough x factor at Fullback.
You usually don't win comps without it.

Edwards being an exception of late, In an Extraordinary Side no less

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Its a fact? How do you know that?
Also, he isnt light years behind Api. He is coming along nicely.

Come on lets not be deluded, he has no kicking game he offers no deception around the ruck. His strength is his running game, that is it. Api can kick short, or long such as the 40/20 on Friday that was incorrectly not called, Api can also control and manipulate the ruck. Sadly your boy TDS has shown none of these skills, he might gain them but he hasn't so far and normally great hookers have these skills early doors.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

They were battling us for the spoon in the last round, no?
Eels have long had the belief they weren't getting enough x factor at Fullback.
You usually don't win comps without it.

Edwards being an exception of late, In an Extraordinary Side no less

I agree, and applaud Ryles for his gutsy decision.
To wander down your path - Api was the hooker in the side that did win the spoon, no?
(not that it was his fault) - just sayin 🤔