Adam Doueihi #227

[Suzie-Q]

TO ALL WTForum MEMBERS:

While we are all disappointed, angry, upset, we must remember that we are discussing young men here. Actual people with feelings, who are coping with much more as players and staff, than we could possibly imagine as mere fans.

We need to be mindful of negative impacts on mental health of the players.

I guess, as a human, I am asking you to be kind. To not post on here like a keyboard warrior.

Would you say it to AD's face? Benji's? Luai's?

Would you be happy to have it said to you? Your kids? Grandkids? Partner?

Be kind.

Suze

 

[liltiger]

A forum member last night stated that Doueihi had done more than enough to hold his position in the team. I cannot disagree with this and while I support Marshall as coach, I do find his selection at 13 puzzling especially with what I consider to be the added defensive workload and carrying a shoulder injury.

Benji was going to have Adam attacking at 13 and defending in the halves. Whether Luai or Douehi should have been the one to make way im not sure. Though Douhi has been the half while weve only scored 22 points in a month so its not like he has really deserved his spot.

 

[liltiger]

It’s been reported Marshall wanted him to play 13 in attack and then shifted to the edge in defense

Same as the lock used to play about 15 - 20 years ago. They would ballplay and defend in the outside backs. Today the game has turned locks into forwards.

 

[full80]

I'm trying not to read any WT media right now (outside the forum) cos I want to have some mental balance in my life, but a thought. Benji might have suspected that Adam's style might mean we don't get to see the best of Javon, who is a second receiver and needs someone to pass to him. Luai did that (to his detrmient) with Galvin, and let Galvin play. And maybe AD's injury history, based on the fact he is playing injured, meant he might have been concerned about not being physically 100% to play in the middle. I don't know. Or Adam sees it as a broken promise about only being seen as a 7, which to be fair the club has publicly stated a few times this season. But the fact it is all public, again, is just so depressing.

 

[Lestronge]

TO ALL WTForum MEMBERS:

While we are all disappointed, angry, upset, we must remember that we are discussing young men here. Actual people with feelings, who are coping with much more as players and staff, than we could possibly imagine as mere fans.

We need to be mindful of negative impacts on mental health of the players.

I guess, as a human, I am asking you to be kind. To not post on here like a keyboard warrior.

Would you say it to AD's face? Benji's? Luai's?

Would you be happy to have it said to you? Your kids? Grandkids? Partner?

Be kind.

Suze

I would suze . And have done plenty of times in the past and would have my behaviour called out , as well .
If you’re on this forum and you think it’s ok to refuse to play , because a coach has changed your position ….
Regardless of the luai stuff .
Then that mentality is why we will always come last or near last .
Ads reaction should have been . “ i don’t agree Benji can you explain why I’m the one moving and not luai . And when the obvious is said , whilst I don’t agree , I’m not gonna let it affect my performance , but when it doesn’t work I’m gonna be in here screaming I told you so !” ,
The only other acceptable response was “no worries coach let’s rip in and see what hat happens . I’ll shadow Javon all week and let him know as much as I can , but it sux to be moved just letting you know “.
Anything other response is loser talk . It destabilises , it invokes and invites envy and negative thoughts and ultimately it’s toxic to the playing group .
Outside of Benji saying STFu and do what your told there’s really zero justification .
Oh But Luai …… you know what I read when I see that ? His ice cream is bigger than mine … how come she got more soft drink in her glass … he always gets what he wants it’s not fair .
It’s petulant childish bullshit .
I’d say every single word with no problems .. Why ? Because it’s the truth … and if our leaders think like this Ala.. Twal and Seyfarth , well then they should go as well

 

[getagrip]

I disagree, I think he's been very very over valued.

He has consistently been praised by the media and fans, but has done nothing at all for us.
He doesn't clutch games, he doesn't attract players, he doesn't make players around him better.

He is a mid tier player, that doesn't excel in any one role and refuses to be a team first player.

Even in terms of his pay - he's only been under paid for 1 or 2 seasons, in which it was justified because no other team wanted to take the risk on him, or rehab him because he had only played like 5 games in 2 years..

Regarding him not playing like garbage, I would argue he has been one of our worst for the past 2 months, and has made our attack look like reserve grade standard.

Spot on. He is overrated, has always been treated with kid gloves, and is picked in positions he is not equipped to handle. He neither a 6,7 or 13.

 

[Lestronge]

Just one final thing on this ; there’s been heaps of legends asked to change positions coming through .
The biggest one I can think of is Reuben Wiki started on the wing . Ended up in the front row as one of the premier props . Literally changed position 4 times and excelled every single time he was asked to move. And is widely regarded as one of the most beloved teammates ever .

 

[liltiger]

For those that missed it, have a look from about the 44 minute mark onwards for the comment about Adam Doueihi.

Also some interesting comments from about the 40th minute regarding Samuela and an interest comment about his brother Manase that might surprise some.

What the heck, if you've got the time, just watch the lot.

I saw that and thought it strange Adel suggested Manasse coud be a good leader at the club. Sure as a mentor to help keep the younger guys on track thrugh his life experience, but the guys just getting out of prison, im all for everyone having a 2nd chance, we all make mistakes. But to come in instantly as a leader i found that comment a bit strange. I thought leadership was earned through trust, sacrifice and dedication. How could he just arrive and be a leader.

 

[liltiger]

Just one final thing on this ; there’s been heaps of legends asked to change positions coming through .
The biggest one I can think of is Reuben Wiki started on the wing . Ended up in the front row as one of the premier props . Literally changed position 4 times and excelled every single time he was asked to move. And is widely regarded as one of the most beloved teammates ever .

Never forget Lockyer moving from worlds best fullback to 5/8. Imagine being the worlds best at something only to be told for the team we need to move you elsewhere. He did an amazing job at 5/8 as well. Truly one of the greats.

 

[weststigers]

Never forget Lockyer moving from worlds best fullback to 5/8. Imagine being the worlds best at something only to be told for the team we need to move you elsewhere. He did an amazing job at 5/8 as well. Truly one of the greats.

or Brad Fittler - centre, 5/8 and lock

 

[the enforcer.]

Im not going to crucify Benji or Doueihi. I think more will come out on monday , on what was actually said to each other.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just one final thing on this ; there’s been heaps of legends asked to change positions coming through .
The biggest one I can think of is Reuben Wiki started on the wing . Ended up in the front row as one of the premier props . Literally changed position 4 times and excelled every single time he was asked to move. And is widely regarded as one of the most beloved teammates ever .

Doueihi's manager is savvy and switching him from the halves will impact his contract value. The argument being if you're not using him in the halves, he could earn much more at another club as a half now, hence the request for release. The new commission will also be welcome.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I saw that and thought it strange Adel suggested Manasse coud be a good leader at the club. Sure as a mentor to help keep the younger guys on track thrugh his life experience, but the guys just getting out of prison, im all for everyone having a 2nd chance, we all make mistakes. But to come in instantly as a leader i found that comment a bit strange. I thought leadership was earned through trust, sacrifice and dedication. How could he just arrive and be a leader.

I think that you at least half balanced your concerns raised in the latter of your post with the leadership qualities that mentoring brings written above it.

I didn't want WT to have anything to do with Taylan until he proved that he was worthy of a shot, and from all reports Manase has been a model prisoner that is attempting to make good of his wrongdoings late in adolescence. I would much rather him than say JDB, despite him not being found guilty.

 

[Chunk]

No only are our senior players dumb on field, they’re dumb in real life.

I said it the other day - Javon wasn’t named at 7 to not play 7 this week,
Adam needed to read between the lines a little…
Keary said the same thing last night, you don’t name a kid to debut at 7
- if he’s not debuting at 7…
You name him on the bench or some such!!

So did AD already know he was going to play at lock before he went to the judiciary?

Why would the Tigers go through the judiciary process, if they knew he wasn't going to play?

Well that is crazy, who paid for the judiciary appearance, did AD go without the Tigers consent?

Or did he say he was going to play and then changed his mind Thursday morning?

 

[weststigerman]

Last 2 games stats for Adam Doohie

Try assists: 1
Line break assists: 0

If Andrews gets 1 try assist and 1 line break assist tomorrow, he will have done more in one game than AD did in two. Lets see how it goes.

You think we’re going to score a point? We have an optimist!

 

[Tim Sheens]

Never forget Lockyer moving from worlds best fullback to 5/8. Imagine being the worlds best at something only to be told for the team we need to move you elsewhere. He did an amazing job at 5/8 as well. Truly one of the greats.

Andrew Johns at hooker to accommodate much lesser players.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So did AD already knew he was going to play at lock before he went to the judiciary?

Why would the Tigers go through the judiciary process, if they knew he wasn't going to play?

Well that is crazy, who paid for the judiciary appearance, did AD go without the Tigers consent?

Or did he say he was going to play and then changed his mind Thursday morning?

WT wanted to clear both players so that they could best contribute to the team. Sadly, it now seems that the wrong one got off and decided to take his ball home.

 

[Chunk]

WT wanted to clear both players so that they could best contribute to the team. Sadly, it now seems that the wrong one got off and decided to take his ball home.

Yes, I understand that.

But why send him if he knew he wasn't going to play?

To make a point or something?

 

[EllisFan]

Forget about AD's poor behaviour for a second, that's clear.

However, I was wondering why did it happen on the Thursday, two days before the game?

Why wouldn't these discussions take place at the start of the week? Or even weeks a go?

Did AD find out, all of a sudden?

Just wondering how this was managed?

Tues night judiciary, Wed players day off I believe.

 

[Chunk]

Tues night judiciary, Wed players day off I believe.

I don't understand what that has anything to do with my question, sorry.

Why send him if he knew he wasn't going to play?

To make a point or something?