5 Year Plan

[tig_prmz]

I think it starts with roster and it would start with making space.

Then Sheens and co and take over, start developing and then recruit what you can't develop.

 

[Guest]

I believe all the right moves are being made in the background with recent appointments announced and the COE construction well underway. Junior talent coming through is strong and hopefully there should be 3-5 players here that can make the step to FG in the next 12--24 months. It's the here and now which is obviously causing the most frustration. We've seen glimpses of really good things from many players in the current squad - but getting week to week consistency out of them has proven impossible so far.

I'm at a loss as to how this changes - strength and fitness are not the issue and injury-wise we've been one of the least affected teams this year. Sticking to a gameplan and coming out of the blocks hard is something that comes down to attitude and execution. We've seen a real reluctance from our squad to use their shoulders in defence and our line speed in general is very poor - the night we gave Souths a scare was the best defensive linespeed we've had all year and that should be our blueprint moving forward.

Again, mentally is where I think the team is lacking - they don't believe in themselves and don't really believe they can mix it with the top sides - it's reflected in their attitude when they take the field and lose the ruck in the first 5 minutes. They should be screaming at the opposition and trying to hurt them, not back peddle and throw arms out.

 

[TrueTiger]

Many want Madge gone....when he was put in charge the foundations were laid to change the culture and stop the rot...we are still building 3/4 years time most will be glad to see the younger ones in the NRL and the WTs playing finals consistently..
It had to start somewhere and Madge had a horrific cap to deal with..as others have said it takes time and we need to be patient...Although Madge does cop heaps,the higher ups need to be critisised for their poor leadership as well...

 

[rustycage]

Listening to those affiliated with FOX and expecting anything pro tigers is like listening to Sky News and expecting an ounce of agreement with anything the left side of politics does.

 

[Geo]

5 year plans take 12 years minimum..

 

[mike]

IMO we are already about 18months into a 5 year plan but the powers that be have had the good sense to keep it to themselves:


* Bring in industry respected recruitment officer in Hartigan

* COE

* Cut out dead wood - ongoing

* Focus on talented juniors

* Bring in Sheens / Kimmorley

Doesnt all this have the hallmarks of a plan?

Its happening but they are smart enough to not spruik it to all and sundry. We just have to have some faith and patience. Throwing it all out now means starting a new 5year plan every 18months.

Spot on @Tiger5150

 

[twentyforty]

5 year plans take 12 years minimum..

Considering the average working life of an nrl player is 7 years and it has taken 8 years to dig this hole we’re in, I’m reasonably confident that you are close to the mark. However, because I’m over optimistic with these things, I’ll go along with the 7-8 year time horizon. Given that Madge’s appointment was the starting point we still have around 5 years before the light at the other end of the tunnel shines brightly enough.

 

[BAGNF05]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

Counting beans

 

[Papacito]

Pascoe has already been here for five years.

If you can't turn things around in five years, what's the chances of doing it in 10 years?

 

[twentyforty]

Pascoe has already been here for five years.

If you can't turn things around in five years, what's the chances of doing it in 10 years?

Is that counting the 6months in the sin bin?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Another 5 yr plan ...I really do not know how you all can swallow all this rubbish ..there is an inherent issue WITHIN this club ..Coaches have come and gone as with players but the mediocrity remains regardless of the personnel changes at football level , what is the real issue then ..maybe there should be a plan to look at this level of the organisation !
Maybe a plan for One Home ground might be nice instead of 6 home grounds might this mind set be the inherent problem .

This is the biggest concern: The issues lay deeper than the coach.

We have had four coaches and numerous assistant staff in the ten seasons since Sheens departed, all different ideas on the game and various approaches to the playing group, none of which have managed to cut through to the team.

Sacking Madge changes nothing. We will just get someone else in whom the players don't respond to.

We are not seen as a destination for potential high profile recruits for whatever reason, even with a coach who has won a premiership in the last decade and also taken the top gong in England.

It's probably a multitude of things, between lack of advanced training facilities, a history of public spats with players (legitimate or not, it's not a good look either way,) and years of underperformance we are just not attractive to lure top line talent.

 

[getagrip]

Another 5 yr plan ...I really do not know how you all can swallow all this rubbish ..there is an inherent issue WITHIN this club ..Coaches have come and gone as with players but the mediocrity remains regardless of the personnel changes at football level , what is the real issue then ..maybe there should be a plan to look at this level of the organisation !
Maybe a plan for One Home ground might be nice instead of 6 home grounds might this mind set be the inherent problem .

This is the biggest concern: The issues lay deeper than the coach.

We have had four coaches and numerous assistant staff in the ten seasons since Sheens departed, all different ideas on the game and various approaches to the playing group, none of which have managed to cut through to the team.

Sacking Madge changes nothing. We will just get someone else in whom the players don't respond to.

We are not seen as a destination for potential high profile recruits for whatever reason, even with a coach who has won a premiership in the last decade and also taken the top gong in England.

It's probably a multitude of things, between lack of advanced training facilities, a history of public spats with players (legitimate or not, it's not a good look either way,) and years of underperformance we are just not attractive to lure top line talent.

They would appear to be addressing training facility issues, can't do anything about historical happenings and past underperformance. I have no idea what they can do, but I'm sure the Board and Pascoe won't sack themselves (if they are indeed part of the problem). So, if the problems you have highlighted are valid, What do you see as the solutions?

 

[BAGNF05]

How does Madge feel about a 5 year plan when he probably needs to make finals in 2022 to hold onto his job. Was TPJ on big money part of said plan? I think the plan is about as watertight as our edge defense.

 

[innsaneink]

So if the plan started18 months ago, what was everyone doing before then? I've been told we have had great management for the last 6 years. What were they doing?

This is plan C

 

[Rugba]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on and not being raided year one year on by the roosters

 

[Bob]

tigers won't win a comp with any of our current players still in the squad. The stench of losing has tainted their clothes, skin and aura.

No players to be resigned, replace the board, change the jersey, reinvent the emblem and relocate the HQ...

I'm kidding we can still make the 8!

 

[cochise]

I think it’s a furphy to allude there wasn’t a plan pre madge or now. There hasn’t been a pathway issue when the ‘so called big 4 “ and others before them made the grade .
The pathways that are being looked at IMO have never been the issue , the issue has been keeping and retaining the talent in first grade along with quality coaches ans being a club that can attract players to complement the juniors.

Get a good nrl coach and a lot of the issues work themselves out.

Even Penrith that Gould gets all this credit , always had talented juniors coming through , the issue for them was always quality coaching and also making sure the recruiting outside the club was spot on

Actually we went away from our plan of developing players when the big 4 stuff played out and became a club that tried to buy established players. In the past 18 months we have gone back to trying to strengthen our pathways and once again be a club that develops our players.

 

[OzLuke]

Another 5 yr plan ...I really do not know how you all can swallow all this rubbish ..there is an inherent issue WITHIN this club ..Coaches have come and gone as with players but the mediocrity remains regardless of the personnel changes at football level , what is the real issue then ..maybe there should be a plan to look at this level of the organisation !
Maybe a plan for One Home ground might be nice instead of 6 home grounds might this mind set be the inherent problem .

This is the biggest concern: The issues lay deeper than the coach.

We have had four coaches and numerous assistant staff in the ten seasons since Sheens departed, all different ideas on the game and various approaches to the playing group, none of which have managed to cut through to the team.

Sacking Madge changes nothing. We will just get someone else in whom the players don't respond to.

We are not seen as a destination for potential high profile recruits for whatever reason, even with a coach who has won a premiership in the last decade and also taken the top gong in England.

It's probably a multitude of things, between lack of advanced training facilities, a history of public spats with players (legitimate or not, it's not a good look either way,) and years of underperformance we are just not attractive to lure top line talent.

you sack madge now and we go back to square one with the new coach's new ideas....we've invested in madge and should stick it out imo
We keep the stability and other pices of the puzzle fall into place over time

 

[Rugba]

Another 5 yr plan ...I really do not know how you all can swallow all this rubbish ..there is an inherent issue WITHIN this club ..Coaches have come and gone as with players but the mediocrity remains regardless of the personnel changes at football level , what is the real issue then ..maybe there should be a plan to look at this level of the organisation !
Maybe a plan for One Home ground might be nice instead of 6 home grounds might this mind set be the inherent problem .

This is the biggest concern: The issues lay deeper than the coach.

We have had four coaches and numerous assistant staff in the ten seasons since Sheens departed, all different ideas on the game and various approaches to the playing group, none of which have managed to cut through to the team.

Sacking Madge changes nothing. We will just get someone else in whom the players don't respond to.

We are not seen as a destination for potential high profile recruits for whatever reason, even with a coach who has won a premiership in the last decade and also taken the top gong in England.

It's probably a multitude of things, between lack of advanced training facilities, a history of public spats with players (legitimate or not, it's not a good look either way,) and years of underperformance we are just not attractive to lure top line talent.

you sack madge now and we go back to square one with the new coach's new ideas....we've invested in madge and should stick it out imo
We keep the stability and other pices of the puzzle fall into place over time

And that is the problem just not at the tigers but entire NRL.

all clubs should be built to be competitive with head coach puting the icing on the cake. I see too much power given to coaches to assemble squads and fingers on what juniors come through etc , especially when most coaches are rookies themselves . A coaches “ idea” should be game plans etc with say in recruiting stars

 

[Viking Warrior]

I still can't believe we can't come 8th out of a 16 team comp? Like how hard is it to miss a top 8 for 10 years.

My god we need help and a new identity.