A crucial period for Madge...

[TrueTiger]

I recall the Dogs having a halves issue and Dessie had the forwards ball play through James Graham to great success (Grand Finalists). He had a problem and adapted.

Not the world's greatest example, Des being sacked within a few years and soundly blamed (rightly or not) for the spending quagmire the Dogs found themselves in, and haven't recovered from since.

That wasn’t the point of the example ??

I get the point of your example, but what a coach did with his forwards whilst he was killing the club is not a great example IMO.

It would be like saying how smart a job Bellamy did with Melbourne in 2007 whilst he was cheating the salary cap. Yeah he could achieve certain outcomes whilst he was doing the wrong thing, and it's not something a rule-abiding coach can necessarily emulate.

Agree that Madge should play within the rules but he needs to adapt his game plans. The one out stuff, trying to get a quick play the ball is not working. We are getting dominated in the ruck, defences are having time to set and we aren’t rolling forward. Our halves cannot play off the back of that.

This is not so much about the players and their individual abilities but more about Madge understanding the strengths and weaknesses we possess as a team and developing a game plan that compliments our strengths and avoids our weaknesses.

Unfortunately mate we have far more weaknesses than strengths....

The only crucial period for Madge will be at seasons end...when he has the squad sheet in front of him and he starts putting lines through names..:blush:

 

[Strider]

I feel like he wants Tigers to play a game of dominant forward pack but we don't have a. Dominant forward pack. Anyone else feel that? He wants them to be super physical but we don't have that kind of team like he had at Rabbitohs with Burges etc. We need a different team to try that.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

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[Andyvee]

This team doesn’t need a new coach. It needs a sport’s psychiatrist!

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I recall the Dogs having a halves issue and Dessie had the forwards ball play through James Graham to great success (Grand Finalists). He had a problem and adapted.

Not the world's greatest example, Des being sacked within a few years and soundly blamed (rightly or not) for the spending quagmire the Dogs found themselves in, and haven't recovered from since.

That wasn’t the point of the example ??

I get the point of your example, but what a coach did with his forwards whilst he was killing the club is not a great example IMO.

It would be like saying how smart a job Bellamy did with Melbourne in 2007 whilst he was cheating the salary cap. Yeah he could achieve certain outcomes whilst he was doing the wrong thing, and it's not something a rule-abiding coach can necessarily emulate.

Agree that Madge should play within the rules but he needs to adapt his game plans. The one out stuff, trying to get a quick play the ball is not working. We are getting dominated in the ruck, defences are having time to set and we aren’t rolling forward. Our halves cannot play off the back of that.

This is not so much about the players and their individual abilities but more about Madge understanding the strengths and weaknesses we possess as a team and developing a game plan that compliments our strengths and avoids our weaknesses.

Problem is our half’s can’t play to the same standard as other teams. We have Brooks that does not responsibility yo take ownership then Benji past his use by date.
Agree tactically that Madge game plan seems easily adaptable but this 6 again football is also about ablib and creativity, we need better newer players. Rock on 2022 that’s what it’s going to take another 1 year of misery prior.
If we sign smart and off load correct we should have a competitive roster by then as Madge is no fool with what is expected.

 

[Curaeus]

No point even thinking about replacing Maguire or anyone else unless you have someone better in mind. And then there are the contractual issues. If you believe the media garbage that rugby league contracts mean nothing try walking away from one!

 

[Magpie1969]

It's not just us. 5 coaches shown the door this season must be some sort of record. Still believe Maguire is our answer but he needs to adapt a game plan suitable to the players available. Also needs to fix the right hand defence and tackle 5 options.

 

[Lauren]

This team doesn’t need a new coach. It needs a sport’s psychiatrist!

I'd say there'd be a fair few of us onboard with this, at this point in time. Desperate times call for deperate measures!
We may be suffering from brand issues however the success of the team is dependent on performance and club culture.
We've brought onboard a premiership winning coach with elite standards yet it sure ain't tangibly transferring to the team. IMO this is reflective of an attitude issue from the whole culture of the team.

 

[Goanna57]

It's not just us. 5 coaches shown the door this season must be some sort of record. Still believe Maguire is our answer but he needs to adapt a game plan suitable to the players available. Also needs to fix the right hand defence and tackle 5 options.

Agree with your thoughts except the one on Maguire I was a believer but not anymore.I don’t know if the rumour of him and the cowboys has had an impact on the players or it’s just him .I know the players we have are not up to scratch but the coach has to get the best out of what he has and right now I am not seeing any improvement just the opposite

 

[Tiger_heart]

Isn't the job of a coach to get the best out of whatever roster he is working with? So, if where we are is the best we are getting, then this is the best the coach can get from this lot. Not his fault, not the team fault, it is the combination of the two that yields this result and something has to give. See Seibold, and how things have turned out for him at the Broncos. Does this make Seibold a bad coach? The results condemn him, unfortunately, and in the coaching game, this is the typical yardstick, I'm afraid. Some fans will be happy to wait, others are less patient, in the end we all want the same thing, the best for the WT.

 

[Telltails]

Costly business sacking and hiring coaches especially when you are paying for one to do the job and one to go away. Pretty poor investment decision.

 

[tig_prmz]

This team doesn’t need a new coach. It needs a sport’s psychiatrist!

yep, been saying that for a while now. Mind coaches, life coaches- give the players a lot of support outside the football. From the grassroots, let's hire a sports management firm or a group of specialists who have dealt with high level ethlites. Professionals, not just members of the boys club.

 

[mike]

Does this make Seibold a bad coach?

Yes. One of the worst head coaches ever. As an assistant coach he is pretty useful. Promote him beyond his abilities and you get what you deserve.

 

[Geo]

I guess the question is now how long do we give Maguire without a finals appearance ..as it looks to me that 2021 is already excused ..

 

[rustycage]

It's ridiculous to think that out current roster is a top 8 team. I had hopes we might sneak in, but reality is that we're way off. It's not through poor coaching. Of course the coach will tow the line in the media and say no excuses. But he knows we are nowhere near good enough. This will be confirmed when we enter the market and cull a few. They can't all be culled at once, but it would be nice.

 

[hobbo1]

I guess the question is now how long do we give Maguire without a finals appearance ..as it looks to me that 2021 is already excused ..

2023

 

[Tim Sheens]

I guess the question is now how long do we give Maguire without a finals appearance ..as it looks to me that 2021 is already excused ..

Not by me and with current circumstances, I would think that both parties shouldn't be looking at any possible extension until a couple of months into next season.

 

[Viking Warrior]

I guess the question is now how long do we give Maguire without a finals appearance ..as it looks to me that 2021 is already excused ..

What would you do? Stick or flick. Or hope he can find a better style My biggest concern is Madge seems to struggle to attract big name players even if we do offer overs. He needs to find a better balance imo. I heard an interview a few years ago that Madge expects his players to play through injury and has game day intensity st thraing.


Could be totally untrue but AD Mbye and Brooks have looked out of sorts at times this year and I'm wondering if injury Could be a factor. Playing busted can't be good for moral.

 

[TYGA]

From my perspective Madge is trying to get all players to play a certain way. Direct, high line speed, break teams down in the middle and attack the edges. Good kick chase and solid defence.

The issue is the players can’t keep up the level of consistently required to play this way. If you don’t play this way and learn to play this way you lose.

First coach in a long time to stick with it and try to replace the players that can’t keep up for just don’t have it in them to win this way.

The complaints and whinging through managers and the media show that this club has been run by players not real about winning for a very long time. Unfortunately someone has to clean this up and getting rid of that guy whether it is Madge or anyone else is bad business.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

From my perspective Madge is trying to get all players to play a certain way. Direct, high line speed, break teams down in the middle and attack the edges. Good kick chase and solid defence.

The issue is the players can’t keep up the level of consistently required to play this way. If you don’t play this way and learn to play this way you lose.

First coach in a long time to stick with it and try to replace the players that can’t keep up for just don’t have it in them to win this way.

The complaints and whinging through managers and the media show that this club has been run by players not real about winning for a very long time. Unfortunately someone has to clean this up and getting rid of that guy whether it is Madge or anyone else is bad business.

Great post Tyga. Agree 100% But it’s ridiculous that fully professional athletes can’t play this BASIC style consistently.
Also - we all hear through the media about player whinging. I just hope it’s crap. I’d be really disappointed if players at this level were whinging about someone trying to get them to compete at an elite level