Addo Carr signs with Storm...

[GNR4LIFE]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

 

[tigermac88]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

I get your point but herein lies the problem, none of us really know how much input O'Neill is having in team selections atm it's all just speculation… Come on, you have been telling us all how crap Sirro is and shouldn't be in first grade for some time now (and I don't disagree with you), Sirro was being selected in first grade even when under performing way before O'Neill came along. I can't remember exactly when O'Neill came on board but I'm sure JAC was being left in reggies despite having good form before O'Neill even got the job.

 

[Sabre]

Round 13, cooling off periods etc don't mean jack. If he doesn't want to go they won't force him.

Trouble is, the more time Bellamy has to get into his head and convince him the storm are a better career choice the more likely he is to leave.
Hopefully home is where the heart is !

Probably will mean little if he doesn't want to leave Sydney.

I can't imagine Bellamy being interested in a player that doesn't want to be there.

 

[Swordy]

I love this forum.

No one on here knows who actually selects the team.
No one on here knows that JAC has signed with Melbourne.
No one on here knows that if he has signed, when is the 10 day cooling of period finished.
No one on here knows why Melbourne hasn't announced it, even if he has signed.
No one on here knows if or why O'Neill sits in the coaches box.

What I do know is this is a forum to SPECULATE on what might be going on, but lets not get carried away on non facts and pretend its already happened, and then make another call on something that is a non fact based on the first non fact.

Im getting dizzy, I have to go…...............................:slight_smile:

 

[foreveratiger]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

What makes you think even if your General Manager tried to convince you to stay that that's what he wants to do if the same Coach is still in place ?

If your not getting much of a run from your Coach you start looking at your Options regardless how much Mark O'Neill tries to convince you . If your General Manager gives you assurances that JT won't be the Coach for long ? then it's a different ball game cause you start thinking to yourself…..i might get more of a run with a new Coach.
Even if Buckets had a chance to change his mind ? Buckets can't sack JT.....so JAC still has to deal with JT .

JT was the one that chose Nathan Milone over giving JAC a crack , if a player sees his not going to get an opportunity and another Club is offering you an opportunity....at the time you make a decision and when he did ? he obviously wasn't playing 1st Grade consistently ( on the assumption that it's true that he signed with Strom) , even MCK wasn't getting a go and even he would of been a preferable option than Milone

JT is not in the Clubs plans moving forward as TT mentioned that already , don't know why such a Call would be made so early when in reality he still has a year and a half to go .

A capable Coach doesn't need an inexperienced General Manager in Mark O'Neill keeping such close TABS on JT , there is no need for Buckets to be in the Coaches Box, does every other GM go in the Coaches Box during games ?

Anyway people will make there own opinions who is to blame for loosing JAC ?
JAC should of been on the wing from the onset over Rankin IMO , if that happened ? this thread wouldn't exist .

 

[foreveratiger]

Round 13, cooling off periods etc don't mean jack. If he doesn't want to go they won't force him.

Trouble is, the more time Bellamy has to get into his head and convince him the storm are a better career choice the more likely he is to leave.
Hopefully home is where the heart is !

Probably will mean little if he doesn't want to leave Sydney.

I can't imagine Bellamy being interested in a player that doesn't want to be there.

Bellamy has obviously identified a weakness in our Organisation for him wanting to sign players from our Club that aren't getting much of a go and turning them into Top class Pros .
That is the difference in a top line Coach being able to get the best out of your players and Bellamy has done that with a bunch of no name players for many years down there .

 

[Russell]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

I get your point but herein lies the problem, none of us really know how much input O'Neill is having in team selections atm it's all just speculation… Come on, you have been telling us all how crap Sirro is and shouldn't be in first grade for some time now (and I don't disagree with you), Sirro was being selected in first grade even when under performing way before O'Neill came along. I can't remember exactly when O'Neill came on board but I'm sure JAC was being left in reggies despite having good form before O'Neill even got the job.

Still think you are wrong Tigermac88.

The season is 12 rounds old - we bought JAC for season 2016 as a NSW Cup player. He had to find his feet in a new club with totally different team mates and a different approach to playing games. So it would be fair to say, give him a half a dozen games, let him fit in, assess him and see if he is any good.

Round 7 we play him against the Storm and he doesn't go too badly. Let's play him next week (Round 8), Oh! we can't he is injured (bad luck). He was selected in the NRL for Round 9 (not sure if still injured), on his return from injury he played NSW Cup in Round 10\. NRL Rounds 11, 12 he played. Has been picked in Round 13.

Now please tell me what JT has done wrong here apart from not play him too early.

 

[TopTiger]

If signed why the delay in announcing it particularly given how many signing announcements have been made lately. If JAC has signed with the Storm and has had a change of heart then I'm sure he/ his manager will or has approached the Storm concerning the matter. He isn't the first or won't be the last to try and get out of a contract once the cooling off period has expired. From memory didn't Luke Lewis get out of a contract with Souths several years ago. Always hope!!

 

[foreveratiger]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

I get your point but herein lies the problem, none of us really know how much input O'Neill is having in team selections atm it's all just speculation… Come on, you have been telling us all how crap Sirro is and shouldn't be in first grade for some time now (and I don't disagree with you), Sirro was being selected in first grade even when under performing way before O'Neill came along. I can't remember exactly when O'Neill came on board but I'm sure JAC was being left in reggies despite having good form before O'Neill even got the job.

Still think you are wrong Tigermac88.

The season is 12 rounds old - we bought JAC for season 2016 as a NSW Cup player. He had to find his feet in a new club with totally different team mates and a different approach to playing games. So it would be fair to say, give him a half a dozen games, let him fit in, assess him and see if he is any good.

Round 7 we play him against the Storm and he doesn't go too badly. Let's play him next week (Round 8), Oh! we can't he is injured (bad luck). He was selected in the NRL for Round 9 (not sure if still injured), on his return from injury he played NSW Cup in Round 10\. NRL Rounds 11, 12 he played. Has been picked in Round 13.

Now please tell me what JT has done wrong here apart from not play him too early.

Not playing JAC from Round 1 over Rankin , JAC was the better player over the Pre Season .
Moses was the goal kicker for the opening 5 Rounds so hardly the case to warrant a Rankin selection over JAC .
Rankin has been out of the NRL for many years so even he was a big gamble on the wing , but i know he was staying back after training so maybe that won over JT.

 

[tigermac88]

That's where you're wrong the last few weeks I thought we have got our house in order in regards to dropping under performing players. So who deserves the praise for that?? JT or O'Neill?? If we are going to blame O'Neill for JAC not getting into first grade sooner then why shouldn't O'Neill get the praise now for our team selections, and the same in reverse. JT's team selections were laughable before O'Neill came on the scene, but his team selections have seemed to have improved somewhat. So has JT seen the light or is it that O'Neill is now sticking his nose in so to speak??

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

I get your point but herein lies the problem, none of us really know how much input O'Neill is having in team selections atm it's all just speculation… Come on, you have been telling us all how crap Sirro is and shouldn't be in first grade for some time now (and I don't disagree with you), Sirro was being selected in first grade even when under performing way before O'Neill came along. I can't remember exactly when O'Neill came on board but I'm sure JAC was being left in reggies despite having good form before O'Neill even got the job.

Still think you are wrong Tigermac88.

The season is 12 rounds old - we bought JAC for season 2016 as a NSW Cup player. He had to find his feet in a new club with totally different team mates and a different approach to playing games. So it would be fair to say, give him a half a dozen games, let him fit in, assess him and see if he is any good.

Round 7 we play him against the Storm and he doesn't go too badly. Let's play him next week (Round 8), Oh! we can't he is injured (bad luck). He was selected in the NRL for Round 9 (not sure if still injured), on his return from injury he played NSW Cup in Round 10\. NRL Rounds 11, 12 he played. Has been picked in Round 13.

Now please tell me what JT has done wrong here apart from not play him too early.

So you're telling me that JAC wasn't as worthy of first grade as Milone or Rankin?? If you've been a fan of JT's team selections you would be in a minority.

 

[Yossarian]

If signed why the delay in announcing it particularly given how many signing announcements have been made lately. If JAC has signed with the Storm and has had a change of heart then I'm sure he/ his manager will or has approached the Storm concerning the matter. He isn't the first or won't be the last to try and get out of a contract once the cooling off period has expired. From memory didn't Luke Lewis get out of a contract with Souths several years ago. Always hope!!

Just utter the phrase "compassionate grounds" and problem solved. Well works for Brisbane anyway.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

I guess we will soon find out if there is a god and also if he smiles on the tigers.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Sporting news reporting that JAC has signed a 2 year deal with storm and although he wants out the cooling off period has expired and has to see out his contract with storm. Apparently signed the contract when frustrated with the tiger's leaving him out of the NRL team. If this ia true it really shows how incompetent our club is. A club in another state can see his potential and our officials see his ability almost every single day but have no idea

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Sporting news reporting that JAC has signed a 2 year deal with storm and although he wants out the cooling off period has expired and has to see out his contract with storm. Apparently signed the contract when frustrated with the tiger's leaving him out of the NRL team. If this ia true it really shows how incompetent our club is. A club in another state can see his potential and our officials see his ability almost every single day but have no idea

A small article in one of today's papers today , said he has signed for The Storm
Only saw it for a minute while waiting to get served in a shop, haven't got any other info

 

[softlaw]

the "journos" doing the normal read the forums and reprint.
If it wasn;t for forums like this those hacks would have even less of a clue.

 

[AfricanAnimal]

Yo. I can't imagine what this club will be like without this gun. I mean he gives our team wings. If JAC does find 'imself at melbourne I'll be surprised. Storm signed some utility the other week and I'm dam sure Vuvuzela (or whatever his name was) made his debut 'couple of weeks 'go. Their roster's pretty packed but looks like storm's hungry for players

 

[underdog]

Yo. I can't imagine what this club will be like without this gun. I mean he gives our team wings. If JAC does find 'imself at melbourne I'll be surprised. Storm signed some utility the other week and I'm dam sure Vuvuzela (or whatever his name was) made his debut 'couple of weeks 'go. Their roster's pretty packed but looks like storm's hungry for players

Yo, and welcome to the forum.

Deadset AfricanAnimal if that is you in your own avatar I'd like YOU to join our team on the wing in lieu of Josh Addo Carr… :smiley: :smiley:

 

[sideline_eye]

Has he or his manager approached the Wests Tigers over this? Did they even give us a shot at matching the Storm's offer before signing? I think he's been treated pretty fairly for a kid just out of U20s and the fact that he has played NRL in his first season with us should have shown him that we do rate him. When JJ Felise was sent back to the U20s he thanked JT for the opportunity and went on to re sign with us.

I really do rate JAC but he seems to have shot himself in the foot by signing to move away from his family support base, realising only after he signed that he didn't actually want to go to another state to live. I hope for his sake and the Wests Tigers that something can be salvaged out of this.

 

[larrycorowa]

Reading between the lines is there a question mark over jac's fitness early in the season. From what I can see picking milone and Farah when fit are the only selection disasters I have seen from Taylor this year.

 

[Russell]

So if Buckets is the one running the show atm, should he not held accountable for losing JAC? Sure JT could have picked him in first grade and we might not have had gotten to this point, but by the sounds of it Buckets has had a chance to change JAC's mind. So if he goes, pinning all the blame on JT would be ridiculous.

I get your point but herein lies the problem, none of us really know how much input O'Neill is having in team selections atm it's all just speculation… Come on, you have been telling us all how crap Sirro is and shouldn't be in first grade for some time now (and I don't disagree with you), Sirro was being selected in first grade even when under performing way before O'Neill came along. I can't remember exactly when O'Neill came on board but I'm sure JAC was being left in reggies despite having good form before O'Neill even got the job.

Still think you are wrong Tigermac88.

The season is 12 rounds old - we bought JAC for season 2016 as a NSW Cup player. He had to find his feet in a new club with totally different team mates and a different approach to playing games. So it would be fair to say, give him a half a dozen games, let him fit in, assess him and see if he is any good.

Round 7 we play him against the Storm and he doesn't go too badly. Let's play him next week (Round 8), Oh! we can't he is injured (bad luck). He was selected in the NRL for Round 9 (not sure if still injured), on his return from injury he played NSW Cup in Round 10\. NRL Rounds 11, 12 he played. Has been picked in Round 13.

Now please tell me what JT has done wrong here apart from not play him too early.

So you're telling me that JAC wasn't as worthy of first grade as Milone or Rankin?? If you've been a fan of JT's team selections you would be in a minority.

Well if you can't see the reasoning behind the JAC scenario - we'll leave it at that.

Milone plays in the centre and Rankin is a goalkicker who did the job.

I am totally ok with the JAC scenario - if he turns out to be a mercenary like Koro then so be it.

So much for the family being Tigers supporters and "I have always wanted to play for the Tigers", I'll put in the effort in the lower grade and learn as much as I can and work my way into the team - obviously if he goes, around 10 games is the ambition.

If you can't wait 7 games to play NRL - then see ya.

Personally I think the Storm stories are coming from nursery rhymes.