ARLC scraps anthem

[twentyforty]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.

Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

 

[Tim Sheens]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from singing anywhere at anytime, so go for your life and even belt it out in the shower if you so wish.

I am more than happy to sit through the anthem of any nation during a broadcast when a team or individuals are competing at international level, though much less so otherwise.


I can sing it every night before I go to sleep. But I don’t want it to get to that where people are ashamed to be patriotic. Kids are coming home from school saying the anthem is banned because it is racist. Is this part of their exam?

As an active member of Parents and Citizens at my son's schools thus far, the anthem has been discussed, as has education on indigenous peoples and our joint history and any possible special recognition or days. I suggest that anyone who has an issue with anything to get involved to have a voice. Whilst the welcome to country is happily recited in turn by virtually all that come along to the P&C meetings at his now Central Coast school, which apart from our indigenous students, is otherwise nearly all of Anglo Saxon heritage, it was even more enthusiasticly embraced at his previous multicultural school in Sydney. The national anthem is/was belted out strongly by all kids as part of their learning at both, including the aboriginal youngsters and banning it has never been mentioned.

I was very lucky to have an upbringing that had me spend most of my holidays around the country and far reaches of my home state of NSW and elsewhere, with my family still having a house in Peak Hill (between Parkes and Dubbo) until around the turn of this century. As such I mixed with their communities and saw enough to gain a personal knowledge. Most importantly, I was lucky enough to have teachers, particularly one, that went beyond the standard fare, to provide a reasonable education of our actual history, rather than the strictly colonist version that most had dished up to them.

I am sure that it is extremely important that a reasonable picture of our country's past is now being shown to our younger generations, as they are growing up as part of a global community, not at all like the overall fairly insular one in which many of my own and previous generations did.

 

[rustycage]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

 

[fibrodreaming]

Something like 170 tries from 175 games.

Yeah - 171 tries in 176 matches with the Bears (which is remarkable because they were a struggle-street team for most of his time there). He scored 282 tries all up in 299 games for the Bears, Manly, City, NSW and Australia.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

If you are going to bring up prejudices against the indigenous, then I think it only fair that I bring up the prejudices for the indigenous. If you have the time to read the list, I will find out all the entitlements . . . from 100% indigenous, all the way down to 1/128th part indigenous. I will have to find out everything they are entitled to, because I am unaware of the full list of handouts, because, well, I'm not indigenous.
That's not racist, is it ?

Not in isolation, no, but if such thoughts are combined with forwarding memes or messages relating to immigrants or asylum seekers and similar such, then they are definitely racist.

 

[MtWarrigalTiger]

Welcome to country I find offensive

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

He’s trying very hard to come across as more intelligent than he really is.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

Close . I was just guessing . Makes sense , height of Vietnam war

It was a great guess mate, no disrespect was just clarifying!

None taken mate . This stuff is interesting . From a historical point of view and also and introspective. Asking yourself could I be better is always good .sometimes that means not following the status Quo. Sometimes , it means I’m totally on an island and need to start building bridges.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Welcome to country I find offensive

And that is your prerogative. To better understand your stance, I ask to your reasoning for being personally offended and is it as a whole, or do only certain parts offend?

 

[twentyforty]

Something like 170 tries from 175 games.

Yeah - 171 tries in 176 matches with the Bears (which is remarkable because they were a struggle-street team for most of his time there). He scored 282 tries all up in 299 games for the Bears, Manly, City, NSW and Australia.

Yep, I think when Irvine played with the Bears they won around 38% of their games during that 10 years?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

Explanation= your bad thoughts are your own and your responsibility to either improve , get help or not .
Marxist = all bad thoughts are the responsibility of society so therefore have to be stomped out . Basically what “woke” is. Basically the thought police .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

My point of view. Find an anthem and flag that represents everyone .
That doesn’t mean we get joe Williams in a room with walled Ali and basically the faculty of Sydney Uni To sort this out either .
It means everyone has a voice , everything has to be taken into account .
-Indigneous history
- the way the existing anthem and flag resonate with those who have served under it in some capacity or , grew up with this as a huge part of thier culture
- multiculturalism
- the fact that the flag , unfortunately is used as a symbol of racism , both for and against
And the list goes on .

 

[Masterton]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[twentyforty]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

He’s trying very hard to come across as more intelligent than he really is.

? I’m not that intelligent, it may seem that way to you because I don’t insult other posters. ?
The reality is that if you are waiting for the government to do something about your negative feelings then I’m saying it is not going to happen. You would get more out of going to maccas and get a happy meal. Lol

 

[twentyforty]

Something like 170 tries from 175 games.

Yeah - 171 tries in 176 matches with the Bears (which is remarkable because they were a struggle-street team for most of his time there). He scored 282 tries all up in 299 games for the Bears, Manly, City, NSW and Australia.

That is a wonderful record. I have always wanted Ken Irvine to be an immortal. Very sorry his life was cut short after a battle with leukaemia.

 

[rustycage]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

He’s trying very hard to come across as more intelligent than he really is.


? I’m not that intelligent, it may seem that way to you because I don’t insult other posters. ?
The reality is that if you are waiting for the government to do something about your negative feelings then I’m saying it is not going to happen. You would get more out of going to maccas and get a happy meal. Lol

No, the reality is those opposed to the anthem have more than just negative feelings. They're downright insulted. Like it or not, at this point in time, we have a country divided (although far from evenly) and the anthem as it is, isn't helping the matter. That goes for the date for national celebration as well. I find it sad that there's so little listening going on to those that need to be heard. Cue Demps and his predictable white knights response.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

He’s trying very hard to come across as more intelligent than he really is.


? I’m not that intelligent, it may seem that way to you because I don’t insult other posters. ?
The reality is that if you are waiting for the government to do something about your negative feelings then I’m saying it is not going to happen. You would get more out of going to maccas and get a happy meal. Lol

No, the reality is those opposed to the anthem have more than just negative feelings. They're downright insulted. Like it or not, at this point in time, we have a country divided (although far from evenly) and the anthem as it is, isn't helping the matter. That goes for the date for national celebration as well. I find it sad that there's so little listening going on to those that need to be heard. Cue Demps and his predictable white knights response.

I agree with you on most of it . I just worry , that yes you're uniting the country , you're also empowering the woke crazies , to continue to push nuts and extremely divisive ideas. Because they've latched on to anything that "pushes back against the patriarchy". I wonder how many people's apprehension has more to do with this , than the issue itself .

 

[twentyforty]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.


Negative thoughts or feelings are the responsibility of the thinker or feeler. It’s a Marxist idealism that the public service is somehow responsible

What the actual?

He’s trying very hard to come across as more intelligent than he really is.


? I’m not that intelligent, it may seem that way to you because I don’t insult other posters. ?
The reality is that if you are waiting for the government to do something about your negative feelings then I’m saying it is not going to happen. You would get more out of going to maccas and get a happy meal. Lol

No, the reality is those opposed to the anthem have more than just negative feelings. They're downright insulted. Like it or not, at this point in time, we have a country divided (although far from evenly) and the anthem as it is, isn't helping the matter. That goes for the date for national celebration as well. I find it sad that there's so little listening going on to those that need to be heard. Cue Demps and his predictable white knights response.

I agree with you on most of it . I just worry , that yes you're uniting the country , you're also empowering the woke crazies , to continue to push nuts and extremely divisive ideas. Because they've latched on to anything that "pushes back against the patriarchy". I wonder how many people's apprehension has more to do with this , than the issue itself .

Agree Strongee, they don’t understand that the professional activist nutters want something in return

 

[tbones10]

Lets shut this thread down now lads,so far its been fairly civil for such a divisive topic, the only thing that happens from here is the idiot fringe, from both sides get involved.
Respect their right to protest, think that they are wrong, won't be watching it.

 

[twentyforty]

Lets shut this thread down now lads,so far its been fairly civil for such a divisive topic, the only thing that happens from here is the idiot fringe, from both sides get involved.
Respect their right to protest, think that they are wrong, won't be watching it.

You want to stop discussion? Fair enough. But remember today they come after your anthem , tomorrow they’ll come after your t bone steak mate.