ARLC scraps anthem

[Deleted member 3518]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It's just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier .... just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.


You got it Strongee,
It’s much bigger than the anthem. If Marx and Engels we’re alive today they would be rejoicing.

Yep . It’s so infuriating. How you might say something like . People are entitled to be upset over the anthem ? And you get shouted down as to being a racist , because “anyone who has an issue with the anthem not being played is a racist”.
Totally missing the point in what you’re saying . Like I said , people want to take the moral high ground. Make it an us against them , type Gallipoli.
And when anyone decides to go over the top , they get blasted down ... So everyone stays in their trenches , too afraid to go across the dead middle ground , because there’s zero cover out there .

 

[happy_tiger]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

No its not ...it's a discussion about whether the anthem should be played at non national events

Shouldn't be at SOO GF , just internationals or WC's

 

[cochise]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

That is actually not true! Joe Williams refused to stand for the national anthem at an Australia Day ceremony over 6 months before Kap took the knee.

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/01/29/joe-williams-why-i-decided-make-stand-or-sit

 

[cochise]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

 

[Tim Sheens]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

 

[twentyforty]

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It's just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier .... just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.


You got it Strongee,
It’s much bigger than the anthem. If Marx and Engels we’re alive today they would be rejoicing.

Yep . It’s so infuriating. How you might say something like . People are entitled to be upset over the anthem ? And you get shouted down as to being a racist , because “anyone who has an issue with the anthem not being played is a racist”.
Totally missing the point in what you’re saying . Like I said , people want to take the moral high ground. Make it an us against them , type Gallipoli.
And when anyone decides to go over the top , they get blasted down ... So everyone stays in their trenches , too afraid to go across the dead middle ground , because there’s zero cover out there .

I don’t want to go too political on this issue of the anthem,however, in my constant struggle to make any sense from the ever increasing global activism and negativity, it becomes more apparent there is only one plausible conclusion. When we here our political leaders verbally segregating us by race , religion or sex you know we’re going down the wrong road.

 

[happy_tiger]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

The late Peter Norman 200 metres 1968

Shows where Australian athletics is at .....52 years later and it is still our national record

 

[jadtiger]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

I remember the referendum in regards to the indigenous having equality.That was the begining of the end of blatant racism in our country sadly there is still racism(to a lesser degree) but it is more concealed.From memory the voting age was still 21 when this happened which was changed not long after because of the furor of people not being able to vote being conscripted and sent to fight in Vietnam.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

Close . I was just guessing . Makes sense , height of Vietnam war

 

[jadtiger]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

Close . I was just guessing . Makes sense , height of Vietnam war

Probably the reason you thought 1972 was because it was the most infamous games in modern times when the massacre of Israeli athletes happened in Munich.The games should have been cancelled immediately but were not because the leader of the olympics Brundage wanted to keep them going

 

[happy_tiger]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

I remember the referendum in regards to the indigenous having equality.That was the begining of the end of blatant racism in our country sadly there is still racism(to a lesser degree) but it is more concealed.From memory the voting age was still 21 when this happened which was changed not long after because of the furor of people not being able to vote being conscripted and sent to fight in Vietnam.

All started with the Wave Hill walk off ...from little things big things grow .....

 

[cochise]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Missed the Olympic games ..black power protest...?

Yea it’s famous . An Aussie who bronze or silver , was asked if he minded and said he didn’t . And was actively A willing Participant . I think it was 72? Very influential in American culture .

Also the anthem should be “We are Australian”
Everyone knows it , as it was taught all through school . It’s anthemic , has an indigenous part , and a positive message and is very clear and concise.
But also , also , if you have an issue with the exisiting anthem not being played , the flag , being changed ,etc then you are entitled to have that opinion. This idea that one persons Australia is more important than another’s is ridiculous.
So much has now happened under that song and that flag , that it’s stopped being just a song and just a flag , and invokes memories and emotions and symbolism that cannot be ignored and glossed over . It’s important to many people.

1968

Close . I was just guessing . Makes sense , height of Vietnam war

It was a great guess mate, no disrespect was just clarifying!

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

If you are going to bring up prejudices against the indigenous, then I think it only fair that I bring up the prejudices for the indigenous. If you have the time to read the list, I will find out all the entitlements . . . from 100% indigenous, all the way down to 1/128th part indigenous. I will have to find out everything they are entitled to, because I am unaware of the full list of handouts, because, well, I'm not indigenous.
That's not racist, is it ?

 

[cochise]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn't this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won't change if it's a match of significance or not. They won't be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation's involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

If you are going to bring up prejudices against the indigenous, then I think it only fair that I bring up the prejudices for the indigenous. If you have the time to read the list, I will find out all the entitlements . . . from 100% indigenous, all the way down to 1/128th part indigenous. I will have to find out everything they are entitled to, because I am unaware of the full list of handouts, because, well, I'm not indigenous.
That's not racist, is it ?

I wonder why those programs exist?

 

[twentyforty]

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

That is actually not true! Joe Williams refused to stand for the national anthem at an Australia Day ceremony over 6 months before Kap took the knee.

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/01/29/joe-williams-why-i-decided-make-stand-or-sit

Gosh, Joe’s father was the best athlete/sportsman I’ve seen.

 

[fibrodreaming]

The late Peter Norman 200 metres 1968
Shows where Australian athletics is at …52 years later and it is still our national record

Not just athletics happy.

The late Ken Irvine was probably the fastest Australian to play rugby league and he debuted 62 years ago. He ran 100 yards in 9.3 seconds in 1961. Still holds the try scoring record.

 

[rustycage]

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

I think it’s great to have our anthem played anytime the viewing audience is overseas. If we weren’t televising os and trying to grow the game then I may agree with your view despite my disdain for the opinion that I should not sing a song which expresses my love for this country.

You can sing it all you like whenever you like. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. But the first 2/3rds of your point has Scotty from marketing written all over it. You don't seem to grasp the point that the anthem is for Australians to feel. And actually, a whole lot of us don't. On this occasion, I give credit to the NRL for listening to the players.

 

[fibrodreaming]

The late Peter Norman 200 metres 1968
Shows where Australian athletics is at …52 years later and it is still our national record

Not just athletics happy.

The late Ken Irvine was probably the fastest Australian to play rugby league and he debuted 62 years ago. He ran 100 yards in 9.3 seconds in 1961. Still holds the try scoring record.

I should add that Mike Cleary who played for Souths and Australia is supposed to have run 100 yards in the same time and is reported to have beaten Irvine in a match race. Again he was playing in the early 1960s.

 

[twentyforty]

The late Peter Norman 200 metres 1968
Shows where Australian athletics is at …52 years later and it is still our national record

Not just athletics happy.

The late Ken Irvine was probably the fastest Australian to play rugby league and he debuted 62 years ago. He ran 100 yards in 9.3 seconds in 1961. Still holds the try scoring record.

He was fast. If you were playing inside Irvine the ball had to be thrown ridiculously forward of his position. I think that’s one of the reasons he scored so often? Something like 170 tries from 175 games.