Ben Ikin already did the review

[KingRobbie]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Literally no idea, the only reason I assume it'll come out in future is those things tend to be leaked after someone leaves a job not while they're in it.

If it ever becomes public I'll confirm if that's what I'd heard.

There very well could be player power still negatively running the show for all I know of, all I'm saying is there are situations where Madge has undoubtedly cost himself their support with shocking mistreatment of player safety.

I'm as disappointed as anyone at this situation but it's been untenable for months now.

 

[Harvey]

I think we all saw Seyfarth thrown onto the field when he was obviously carrying problems.

If Tuilagi did an AC joint there was no way he was near 100% last weekend.

Couple of ACLs recently.

Are any of these lined to the WH&S issues?

 

[Telltails]

I think we all saw Seyfarth thrown onto the field when he was obviously carrying problems.

If Tuilagi did an AC joint there was no way he was near 100% last weekend.

Couple of ACLs recently.

Are any of these lined to the WH&S issues?

Cooper Cronk played a whole GF injured with serious injury and he was a hero - Trent Robinson was privy to that and selected him. I'd be careful before accusing anyone of anything based on anonymous speculation.

 

[wet tiger coloured bird]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

whats wrong with sheens' coaching? have we finished lower under sheen?

 

[jadtiger]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

whats wrong with sheens' coaching? have we finished lower under sheen?

He has not coached in the NRL for 10 years also the quality of the team he had when he was fired (by us) was far superior in quality to what we have now.Even then he failed to make to make the playoffs as he did for most of his years with us.
I will always thank him for 2005 but his time as a FG coach has well and truly expired

 

[doctorcoma]

If we want good players to sign we need to show stability. Players need accountability for performance and they need to know that we are backing our coach. Don’t put in, then get on your bike. Current squad believes they have a scapegoat with any coach. That needs to stop now

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Literally no idea, the only reason I assume it'll come out in future is those things tend to be leaked after someone leaves a job not while they're in it.

If it ever becomes public I'll confirm if that's what I'd heard.

There very well could be player power still negatively running the show for all I know of, all I'm saying is there are situations where Madge has undoubtedly cost himself their support with shocking mistreatment of player safety.

I'm as disappointed as anyone at this situation but it's been untenable for months now.

Sam Burgess won a grand final with a busted face. For crying out loud this is a rugby league forum. If our players are whinging about hard work again I’m done.

 

[Swordy]

Some will recall Ben Ikin at the start of the year was quite scathing in calling us a bottom 4 roster. Most on here disagreed but I think it’s fair to say we finished 13th and that’s about where we are. Par for the course based on our roster.

But let’s waste more resources and time on a review and not focus on the elephant. The fact we can’t actually improve the roster with the current people at the helm.

Who do you blame for being unable to improve the roster?


Everyman and his dog knows who you blame,you are obsessed with crucifying Madge

Would the roster improve if Bennett was here?

Who knows, but I know where we would be when he left ! Like every other club he has coached at, on the very bottom for years because he sets up nothing and does no future work.

Ask Brisbane (x2), St George, Newcastle - and the rabbits might save themselves because they saw the writing on the wall

Such a myth.

So it Bennett’s fault that Siebold drove the Broncos into the ground after he left?

So you're telling me it's Seibolds fault that everywhere Bennett has been they have been left in tatters with a massively imbalanced salary cap structure and no junior pathways that take 3 or 4 years to rectify?

 

[Snake]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I can offer other words but then again may not !

 

[bigsiro]

Would be interesting to look at the thread from before the season started re our predictions for the Tigers. I remember many thinking fox pundits were off their rocker.

 

[BAGNF05]

I think we all saw Seyfarth thrown onto the field when he was obviously carrying problems.

If Tuilagi did an AC joint there was no way he was near 100% last weekend.

Couple of ACLs recently.

Are any of these lined to the WH&S issues?

Cooper Cronk played a whole GF injured with serious injury and he was a hero - Trent Robinson was privy to that and selected him. I'd be careful before accusing anyone of anything based on anonymous speculation.

Comments are ridiculous. It’s inbuilt in proper rugby league players to get on the field if they can. Hurt or not hurt.

 

[Needaname]

No one seemed to bat an eye when we employed Gray from the Sharpies who was front and centre under Flanagan..just sayin..

I heard he was retiring?

 

[Needaname]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

The year proved that without doubt, we don't have the squad to win more than we lost. i'm of the firm belief that again, we got very few favours onfield from referees. There's got to be a change in personnel to end up with a team that can overcome adversity during a game. Our blokes time and time again went to water. I can't blame the coach for that. It's been made very clear that the future is youth. We always say bring our own through. paradoxically, we don't want to wait until they're ready. We call for youth - now, and blame the coach when they fail. We sack (or lose) coaches and turn over rosters - re-build after re-build and endlessly wish for the cycle to end and then call for the coaches head when the plan we all want is in place but we can't hack the journey. I think as fans, we're much like the team. No stickability. We want a short cut. Good luck with that.

I don't disagree with that, I" think it also proved we don't have a coach who is able to get the best out of the players at his disposal and willing to cast blame onto others to deflect it from himself. The players act in the same way.

What if that is their best? I heard him all season saying we have to be more resilient. I thought he was quite determined to own the results. I don't know. I just want stability in the leadership. Seems now if the coach is sacked, we're back to either the players running the show, or the crappy board making crappy excuses until the next few years passes and we'll go through it all again.

When he got here he said he could win with the squad we had, since mid season he has been blaming the squad he inherited.

Does anyone know exactly how the conversation went when Madge applied for the job as Our Coach?
As Rusty said 'of course he will say he can win with this squad'.
That's called positive thinking and self confidence in the job you believe you can do.
If the players cant handle and or learn from Madge, we've got the wrong players.

I spent most of my adult life working in education, more often than not I would say when someone can not learn, then they have the wrong teacher.

Or the wrong subject?

 

[Needaname]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Literally no idea, the only reason I assume it'll come out in future is those things tend to be leaked after someone leaves a job not while they're in it.

If it ever becomes public I'll confirm if that's what I'd heard.

There very well could be player power still negatively running the show for all I know of, all I'm saying is there are situations where Madge has undoubtedly cost himself their support with shocking mistreatment of player safety.

I'm as disappointed as anyone at this situation but it's been untenable for months now.

Sam Burgess won a grand final with a busted face. For crying out loud this is a rugby league forum. If our players are whinging about hard work again I’m done.

I’m not sure which side of the argument this falls on Sammy willing to stick it out for the team or Mad Madge pushing him to get through it but and extract from his book I read the other day recalls the event word for word (Maguire being the Author) and he doesn’t shy away from the fact that 1 Sammy had a fractured cheekbone / eye socket and two he needed him to keep playing in order to win the GF.
Link below.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/michael-maguire-reveals-bizarre-start-to-2014-grand-final-day-in-new-book/news-story/064d1208d2d60d720c4426c14cf1b55c?amp

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Literally no idea, the only reason I assume it'll come out in future is those things tend to be leaked after someone leaves a job not while they're in it.

If it ever becomes public I'll confirm if that's what I'd heard.

There very well could be player power still negatively running the show for all I know of, all I'm saying is there are situations where Madge has undoubtedly cost himself their support with shocking mistreatment of player safety.

I'm as disappointed as anyone at this situation but it's been untenable for months now.

Sam Burgess won a grand final with a busted face. For crying out loud this is a rugby league forum. If our players are whinging about hard work again I’m done.

I’m not sure which side of the argument this falls on Sammy willing to stick it out for the team or Mad Madge pushing him to get through it but and extract from his book I read the other day recalls the event word for word (Maguire being the Author) and he doesn’t shy away from the fact that 1 Sammy had a fractured cheekbone / eye socket and two he needed him to keep playing in order to win the GF.
Link below.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/michael-maguire-reveals-bizarre-start-to-2014-grand-final-day-in-new-book/news-story/064d1208d2d60d720c4426c14cf1b55c?amp

When u start playing rugby league you choose and accept that you could get seriously hurt. It’s part of the thrill in a weird way.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Literally no idea, the only reason I assume it'll come out in future is those things tend to be leaked after someone leaves a job not while they're in it.

If it ever becomes public I'll confirm if that's what I'd heard.

There very well could be player power still negatively running the show for all I know of, all I'm saying is there are situations where Madge has undoubtedly cost himself their support with shocking mistreatment of player safety.

I'm as disappointed as anyone at this situation but it's been untenable for months now.

Sam Burgess won a grand final with a busted face. For crying out loud this is a rugby league forum. If our players are whinging about hard work again I’m done.

I’m not sure which side of the argument this falls on Sammy willing to stick it out for the team or Mad Madge pushing him to get through it but and extract from his book I read the other day recalls the event word for word (Maguire being the Author) and he doesn’t shy away from the fact that 1 Sammy had a fractured cheekbone / eye socket and two he needed him to keep playing in order to win the GF.
Link below.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/michael-maguire-reveals-bizarre-start-to-2014-grand-final-day-in-new-book/news-story/064d1208d2d60d720c4426c14cf1b55c?amp

The ironic thing is the media glorify it (Burgess, Cronk, Satler Snr) yet (if it’s true) Madge gets crucified for it?