Changes need to be made

@liltiger said:
@Russell said:
@liltiger said:
@Harvey said:
I have previously defended him, but Rankin needs to go. His defence is solid, but shows little on hit-ups and kick returns and has now been caught out of position when attacking a number of times. Would look at JAC, MCK or Peninsula with a possible backline shift to accomodate.
Our bench is completely ineffective with Ava, Aloiai, Lovett and Cherrington all offering little in the game time they are getting. I would use Halatau as the back up hooker and would find room on the bench for Griffin, MCK and Edwards.

We need to start with Taylor then buy a real coach not a budget reject so we can save money hopefully then Lovett and Buchanan will follow him out the door honestly Taylor is the only clown who would give those two a regular first grade run

as mentioned in another post - DID TAYLOR miss the tackles, give away the penalties, drop the balls giving away possession and miss the attempted goals? If your answer is NO - give yourself an uppercut.

Has Taylor done anything to fix these problems
Cause when you look at it the stats now and four weeks in last year our defence is worse. I understand that's it's only early days but surely by now we should have seen some improvement even our discipline is no better. I was willing to give Taylor a fair go this year but he has well and truly lost me he is uninventive, uninspiring and I wouldn't recommend he coach a Toyota cup team. He is well out of his league the history shows Taylor isn't willing to make changes so the only obvious change that can be made is to Taylor.

Of course last years first few weeks in defence was better. Thats when the coach wanted the guys to play his way and learn to defend and close up the leaks.

But, as you all know, half way through the year is when the players revolted and wanted to go back to their way because it was all too hard.

Well guess what. This is what you now get.

Im not convinced Taylor is better or worse than any other coach. Im not sure if he should stay or go. After reading 'tigertorchs' posts recently, if they are genuine, then the playing group and coach are generally happy and getting on.

We are competing with better teams far better now than we did through last year. We were never in the hunt then.

Look at the teams we have played.
Parra-suppossed top four.
Sharks, supposed top four.
Manly, gun team but touched them up.
Warriors, the big deal with new signings, but we did just enough to get home.

The only game where we were completely terrible was the Gold Coast.

I think if we put a few together, the confidence and learning will grow massively. Bit soon for me to write the season or coach off just yet.
 
@Russell said:
@liltiger said:
@Harvey said:
I have previously defended him, but Rankin needs to go. His defence is solid, but shows little on hit-ups and kick returns and has now been caught out of position when attacking a number of times. Would look at JAC, MCK or Peninsula with a possible backline shift to accomodate.
Our bench is completely ineffective with Ava, Aloiai, Lovett and Cherrington all offering little in the game time they are getting. I would use Halatau as the back up hooker and would find room on the bench for Griffin, MCK and Edwards.

We need to start with Taylor then buy a real coach not a budget reject so we can save money hopefully then Lovett and Buchanan will follow him out the door honestly Taylor is the only clown who would give those two a regular first grade run

**as mentioned in another post - DID TAYLOR miss the tackles, give away the penalties, drop the balls giving away possession and miss the attempted goals? If your answer is NO - give yourself an uppercut.[/**quote]
NO! But, what has the coach done to reduce the missed tackles, the penalties, the dropped balls and the missed goals?
 
@MightyMaggy said:
NO! But, what has the coach done to reduce the missed tackles, the penalties, the dropped balls and the missed goals?

I can't believe that this is still happening. Didn't Taylor say he was going to fix the defence and make us a consistently competitive side ?

The coach deserves some criticism.
 
@stevetiger said:
@MightyMaggy said:
NO! But, what has the coach done to reduce the missed tackles, the penalties, the dropped balls and the missed goals?

I can't believe that this is still happening. Didn't Taylor say he was going to fix the defence and make us a consistently competitive side ?

The coach deserves some criticism.

We are competitive. Haven't lost by more than 12 points all year. Mainly cause we are scoring a load of points rather than stopping the opposition, but…..
 
@stevetiger said:
@MightyMaggy said:
NO! But, what has the coach done to reduce the missed tackles, the penalties, the dropped balls and the missed goals?

I can't believe that this is still happening. Didn't Taylor say he was going to fix the defence and make us a consistently competitive side ?

The coach deserves some criticism.

Every time he submits that team a sheet he not only deserves criticism but also a appt with a neurologist wouldnt go astray. He should Do the karate kick AKA the crownon Lovett might smack some sense into him.
 
@TYGA said:
JAC straight swap for Rankin.
MCK straight swap for Cherrington.
**Siro straight swap for Lovett.**
Bench should be Ava, Aloai, Sirro, MCK. We have a reserve hooker in Halatau and MCK can cover the outside backs also.

Well obviously Sironen would be in the side ahead of Lovett, but he's injured so that's a moot point.
 
@Russell said:
@liltiger said:
@Harvey said:
I have previously defended him, but Rankin needs to go. His defence is solid, but shows little on hit-ups and kick returns and has now been caught out of position when attacking a number of times. Would look at JAC, MCK or Peninsula with a possible backline shift to accomodate.
Our bench is completely ineffective with Ava, Aloiai, Lovett and Cherrington all offering little in the game time they are getting. I would use Halatau as the back up hooker and would find room on the bench for Griffin, MCK and Edwards.

We need to start with Taylor then buy a real coach not a budget reject so we can save money hopefully then Lovett and Buchanan will follow him out the door honestly Taylor is the only clown who would give those two a regular first grade run

as mentioned in another post - DID TAYLOR miss the tackles, give away the penalties, drop the balls giving away possession and miss the attempted goals? If your answer is NO - give yourself an uppercut.

Taylor for the last 18mths had been talking about defence, so far this year we havent showed any defensive structures for 80mins and we are leaking points all over the place.

Taylor picks Rankin out of position, Lovett, Buch, 3 hookers or 2 hookers who one only gets 10mins if he is lucky a game.

Its very clear we arent playing smart footy and are struggling to keep up with other teams.

Taylor is in charge of driving improvements, so far this year sure attack we look better but our defence (something is speaks all the time about), we have gone backwards on last year.
 
@Cosimo_Zaretti said:
@TYGA said:
JAC straight swap for Rankin.
MCK straight swap for Cherrington.
**Siro straight swap for Lovett.**
Bench should be Ava, Aloai, Sirro, MCK. We have a reserve hooker in Halatau and MCK can cover the outside backs also.

Well obviously Sironen would be in the side ahead of Lovett, but he's injured so that's a moot point.

You would think its a moot point but its not. Taylor selects Lovett even with Siro in the team and Siro is no better than a bench forward.
 
we need to buy 2 mongrel forwards that oppositions fear… We dont need to like them, as long as they do there job and trample on bums like Gallens head!
 
agree about the bench but rankin isn't even a problem. honestly don't think changing the winger will change any part of our game. tbh, noffa has had 10x more bad reads and defensive errors than rankin.
 
We need to replace Rankin with a real winger,but I stress Rankin has not lost us any games,he is just not a winger and we have to get a bench that has some power and energy, but it all counts for nothing till this side learns some discipline
 
I'm going to try and make a count when I finally re watch the game

But I'd like to know how many times the Tigers fail to put an attacker on the ground compared to the Sharks putting us down

We couldn't even put Heighington down , I reckon at least 3 times we left him standing
 
@stryker said:
^ wow that's nerdy lol

Yeah maybe Stryker , but it was something very noticeable and every time we didn't drop them they got on a roll

Also want to watch a crucial thing that may have gone unnoticed at the time , but I think Grant was purposely taken out just before their 4th try , opened a huge hole through the middle of the ruck ….
 
I agree that we are poor at putting players on their backs consistently.
Just poking fun. Do it. I think you'll surprise us with the total.
 
@stryker said:
I agree that we are poor at putting players on their backs consistently.
Just poking fun. Do it. I think you'll surprise us with the total.

I think the annoying for me is who we leave standing ,Prior Heighnington Bukuya etc
 
@happy tiger said:
I'm going to try and make a count when I finally re watch the game

But I'd like to know how many times the Tigers fail to put an attacker on the ground compared to the Sharks putting us down

We couldn't even put Heighington down , I reckon at least 3 times we left him standing

The idea is to hold the player up so the defensive line can get set all Clubs do it…Storm are the masters..it falls down when they offload tho...Sharkies had 15...

Putting the player down makes the ref's call move and we then get pinged for penalties when we don't Stryker is talking about not allowing to find their front which we also suck at ....

Anyhow this is about changes...minimal for me Edwards for Cherrington..
 
@Geo. said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm going to try and make a count when I finally re watch the game

But I'd like to know how many times the Tigers fail to put an attacker on the ground compared to the Sharks putting us down

We couldn't even put Heighington down , I reckon at least 3 times we left him standing

The idea is to hold the player up so the defensive line can get set all Clubs do it…Storm are the masters..it falls down when they offload tho...Sharkies had 15...

Putting the player down makes the ref's call move and we then get pinged for penalties when we don't Stryker is talking about not allowing to find their front which we also suck at ....

Anyhow this is about changes...minimal for me Edwards for Cherrington..

I understand that Geo , but we need to make sure they aren't still facing our tryline , Sharks had so many quick ptb's when they didn't go to ground
 
a few talking about discipline as a problem that needs changing, and rightly so. But i feel the main cause of this ill discipline is fatigue.
It was pointed out in one thread yesterday how we leak points after the 30 minute mark. Something is happening around that point every game so far this season.
It seems our boys can only go for 30 and are too buggered after that to compete. I feel this is THE most pressing issue that needs addressing.
The question is though, how do they fix that any time soon? How long would it take to fix a possible issue regarding the conditioning of an entire squad?
 
@BornBlack&Gold said:
a few talking about discipline as a problem that needs changing, and rightly so. But i feel the main cause of this ill discipline is fatigue.
It was pointed out in one thread yesterday how we leak points after the 30 minute mark. Something is happening around that point every game so far this season.
**_It seems our boys can only go for 30 and are too buggered after that to compete. I feel this is THE most pressing issue that needs addressing._**
The question is though, how do they fix that any time soon? How long would it take to fix a possible issue regarding the conditioning of an entire squad?

Or is this because our best forwards are rotated off and our rather pitiful bench players are unable to defend as well as the starting players?
Maybe, JT needs to pick a better bench than the three hookers and lightweight forwards he currently ( and for the last two seasons) picks. When this happens our defensive effort drops off!
 

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