Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[Demps]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

I think he means they aren't up to standard.

Compliant relates to regulations not ability

Compliant -

meeting or in accordance with rules or standards.

Post made sense man.

 

[TigerWest]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

If you are not compliant, it means you do not fit the standard required?

So not NRL standard, compliant suggests they do not meet NRL rules.

Not sure how you got there? For my comment, it meant they were not up to FG standards as a player.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

 

[TigerVinnie]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Promotion and relegation

Always found that an exciting part of other comps around the world, but the reality is the divide in talent is too large with the current teams we have. You would almost have to be running a 8-10 comp because it would still be the same teams relegating with even poorer teams being promoted.

 

[TigerVinnie]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

Again, you're referring to the Tigers in particular. Kicking us out doesn't fix the problem because there is maybe about 4-5 teams who this applies to. Im talking about the entire state of the game where its top 4 vs the rest.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Promotion and relegation

We could become the Kings of NSW Cup

 

[Demps]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Promotion and relegation

We could become the Kings of NSW Cup

10 X annual Jason Annear memorial 9s champions!
?

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......


Again, you're referring to the Tigers in particular. Kicking us out doesn't fix the problem because there is maybe about 4-5 teams who this applies to. Im talking about the entire state of the game where its top 4 vs the rest.

Kick them all out ...do us all a favour ...we made bad choices as fans ...now we play the price

 

[hobbo1]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

Need a hug ?

 

[TigerWest]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Promotion and relegation


Always found that an exciting part of other comps around the world, but the reality is the divide in talent is too large with the current teams we have. You would almost have to be running a 8-10 comp because it would still be the same teams relegating with even poorer teams being promoted.

Yes, but the players in the teams being relegated would look to jump ship to join the newly promoted team or of course another team in the premier comp? But salary cap rules would still apply.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

Need a hug ?

Nup .....not from a discorder ......just need a team that owns a set of nuts ...

 

[kiwitiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Agree. Was watching "Fire in Babylon" a couple of nights ago again. A couple of players were talking about a game early in WCC where the WI were bowled out for 46. An angry Kerry Packer walks in to the WI dressing room and tells them Qantas 023 leaves Aussie everyday and if they don't improve they will be on it. They end up working hard, become fit, and don't loose another game in WCC in the next 3 years.

We have to look to improve...

 

[TigerWest]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

There would be quite a few teams to go before we get shown the door?

 

[Tiger_heart]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. .

I can understand if this was a one off. But since Madge has taken over, teams have consistently (and from the first attacking raid of the match) attacked us on one flank. You don't think by now the problem should have been fixed?

 

[twentyforty]

Madge took them to Noosa 2 days early for a camp bonding session, so he can see the issue, as I eluded to 7 weeks ago, there are 17 players not a team and that’s understandable given the diversity of their backgrounds. This is where Sheens can help. I don’t know how he does it but it’s definitely one of his strengths.

can't agree with the diverse backgrounds comment.

they are all professionals and should know how to play footy.

they all spend more time with each other than their families. they train together every day and all go through the same hardships on the field.

I agree, they all do know how to play footy. Do they all know how to play footy together?
Sure they spend plenty of time with each other, however, I question what they actually do with that time, when they seem to know very little about each other? e.g. who else plays golf in the club?
Sure they do all go through the same hardships on the field together. What is that actually doing for their individual self esteem? Does it have a positive effect on their existing skill sets?
What are they doing to increase their creativity and problem solving skills?

Talking about diverse backgrounds, when you look at the Training/Performance Team what do you see? Are they all ex players? When you look at the WA board do you see diversity in their occupations? Insurance sales, Car sales, Real Estate Sales? I guess there's a little diversity there, depending on the way you look at it. There's also commonality.
The players share that one commonality, they are all professional footy players, but how many of them are living at home with their mother? Married? Have children etc?

 

[cochise]

Matthew Head, Ciraldo, Willie Peters, Justin Morgan, Dean Young, Steve Georgallis

so who would we realistically land? who in their right mind want to come here?

Take a breath you blokes. You think it was our structures that caused that? A bumbling, fumbling team, that didn't show up, hit a Melbourne team who showed up, landed every Harlem globetrotters play and bent us over inside 20 minutes. The boys were gassed and gone from there. They are just THAT much better.

Madge doesn't coach leg rebounds into their hands. He doesn't coach talau's butterfingers, he doesn't coach not wrapping up the ball. We are a currently a team who is all promise and potential and zero execution. I don't have the answer as to why the execution is not there, but the structures are. Remember, we have now, through the worst run of our season, been missing either our 5/8 or a centre on the edge. That's messed us up tremendously.

Add to that the damaging nature of momentum. Give one team 100% of the ball over the first 20 mins and it's near impossible to come back. Make that team Melbourne and its game over.

We were woeful.... But this is not a golden bullet coach issue. That's a cheap, easy excuse. It's an execution and effort issue. That is ENTIRELY on the players.


Maybe so. But as a coach, or a manager of any team, if your direct reports are not responding, then surely some blame must be shared? The highways on both sides are not part of a poorly constructed defensive pattern??

There’s not a lot a coach can do about it on game day. And with a squad of 30, not a lot you can do about it anyway, as not all players in the squad are NRL compliant.

Not NRL compliant?

That’s what I said.

What does that mean?

I think he means they aren't up to standard.

Compliant relates to regulations not ability

Compliant -

meeting or in accordance with rules or standards.

Post made sense man.

I'll make sure I don't ask for clarification again.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Agree. Was watching "Fire in Babylon" a couple of nights ago again. A couple of players were talking about a game early in WCC where the WI were bowled out for 46. An angry Kerry Packer walks in to the WI dressing room and tells them Qantas 023 leaves Aussie everyday and if they don't improve they will be on it. They end up working hard, become fit, and don't loose another game in WCC in the next 3 years.

We have to look to improve...

Its crap KT .....teams don't get 66 put on them ...I was cheering the Storm on to 92 for the ultimate embarrassment .....rock bottom can't come fast enough as far as I am concerned

 

[TigerVinnie]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......


Again, you're referring to the Tigers in particular. Kicking us out doesn't fix the problem because there is maybe about 4-5 teams who this applies to. Im talking about the entire state of the game where its top 4 vs the rest.

Kick them all out ...do us all a favour ...we made bad choices as fans ...now we play the price

Guess were going around in circles so never mind.

I look forward to another Penrith v Melbourne grand final for many years to come.

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

There would be quite a few teams to go before we get shown the door?

We have the worst record of any side in the nRL since 2000 ......stop making excuses for this club ...everyone stop making excuses for this club ......

 

[happy_tiger]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......


Again, you're referring to the Tigers in particular. Kicking us out doesn't fix the problem because there is maybe about 4-5 teams who this applies to. Im talking about the entire state of the game where its top 4 vs the rest.

Kick them all out ...do us all a favour ...we made bad choices as fans ...now we play the price


Guess were going around in circles so never mind.

I look forward to another Penrith v Melbourne grand final for many years to come.

If they are the 2 best sides ...they deserve it

How is it different with Federer , Nadal and Djokovic ...they have owned two generations of tennis players ...maybe the ITF should have made them play right handed instead of left ..or left handed instead of right ...or given their opposition 2 games start .......or made them wear blindfolds .....

Your obviously from the "give the 14th place runner a ribbon " mindset ..thats fine Vinnie