Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tim Sheens]

Does anyone know the membership of the Crisis Cabinet? I get the sense that there is business reps involved as well as Government and Health personel. Anyone know? Is it published anywhere?

It should be public as should what is driving their decisions and only know that the Police Minister hasn't been one of them.

 

[Snake]

Dr Chant offered her resignation after being embarrassed by Hazard last week but Glady’s and Hazard refused .. they should both make it clear they are the ones making the decisions instead of hiding behind Health advice and hanging Chant out to dry !

 

[tigger]

Dr Chant offered her resignation after being embarrassed by Hazard last week but Glady’s and Hazard refused .. they should both make it clear they are the ones making the decisions instead of hiding behind Health advice and hanging Chant out to dry !

Lord no! You wouldn't give up your scapegoat until you were good ready to throw them off the cliff.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Dr Chant offered her resignation after being embarrassed by Hazard last week but Glady’s and Hazard refused .. they should both make it clear they are the ones making the decisions instead of hiding behind Health advice and hanging Chant out to dry !

Yesterday you could see Chant’s responses to some questions were different to Gladys and Hazzard especially around how slow things have been & restrictions - I got the impression that Chant has made recommendations that haven’t been actioned how she wanted them to despite working 16hr days. It was on Skynews. Very interesting to watch how disconnected she was to Hazard, Hazard also kept talking over her on questions.

 

[coivtny]

exercise outdoors in groups of no more than 2 (excluding members of the same household):
people must stay in their Local Government Area or, if in another local government area, within 5 kilometres of home.

exercise outdoors in groups of no more than 2 (excluding members of the same household):
people must stay in their Local Government Area or, if in another local government area, within 5 kilometres of home.

The section above is a direct extract from your post. Do you read that as saying you must always stay within 5km of your home OR do you read it as saying you can travel ANYWHERE within your LGA but must be within 5km of home IF you travel OUTSIDE your own LGA?
Genuine question.

 

[Tiger5150]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I *think* you are right. Funny thing is that I copied that exact same text in order to paste here to show that you were wrong and then had to re-read it a few times to get to the point where I think you are right.

Stupid or poorly worded rule. The only reason I can think it is this way is for policing. I can only assume it is easy or quicker to determine/prove what LGA someone is from that address.

 

[Tim Sheens]

obtaining food or other goods and services locally (within your own local government area, or, if in another local government area, within 5 kilometres of your home).

That still reads that I can travel to get something to eat at Patonga or similarly distant places as it remains in my LGA.

If they meant 5km from one's home, then they needed to state such.

 

[Snake]

SoMo secures 1 mill doses of Pfizer doses from Poland 500 k arriving tonight and straight to the affected areas of Sydney!

 

[coivtny]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I *think* you are right. Funny thing is that I copied that exact same text in order to paste here to show that you were wrong and then had to re-read it a few times to get to the point where I think you are right.

Stupid or poorly worded rule. The only reason I can think it is this way is for policing. I can only assume it is easy or quicker to determine/prove what LGA someone is from that address.

I agree 100%. The confusion was made worse by the words the Premier used in the presser. She said it as if you must always be within 5km from home. I've had a lot of experience with pollies in my working life including Premiers, Treasurers etc. They are good at what they do but you could never rely on them to get it right when they spoke off the cuff about the particular initiative they were promoting. Probably the best two were former Premier, Nick Greiner, and former Treasurer, Michael Egan.

 

[Nelson]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I *think* you are right. Funny thing is that I copied that exact same text in order to paste here to show that you were wrong and then had to re-read it a few times to get to the point where I think you are right.

Stupid or poorly worded rule. The only reason I can think it is this way is for policing. I can only assume it is easy or quicker to determine/prove what LGA someone is from that address.

As it stands it's within your LGA **or** within 10km of your home, that's pretty clear. What is not clear is what's meant by "from the start of Monday...a 5km rule will apply". It may be that the 5km rule, when it comes into effect, will be a blanket rule without reference to LGA (i.e. it replaces the whole rule rather than just modifying the 10km to 5km).

 

[coivtny]

obtaining food or other goods and services locally (within your own local government area, or, if in another local government area, within 5 kilometres of your home).

That still reads that I can travel to get something to eat at Patonga or similarly distant places as it remains in my LGA.

If they meant 5km from one's home, then they needed to state such.

You can travel anywhere within your LGA for those particular purposes.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I *think* you are right. Funny thing is that I copied that exact same text in order to paste here to show that you were wrong and then had to re-read it a few times to get to the point where I think you are right.

Stupid or poorly worded rule. The only reason I can think it is this way is for policing. I can only assume it is easy or quicker to determine/prove what LGA someone is from that address.

That we on a forum are having a to and fro on it shows how problematic the issue is.

Now imagine if English is your second language, not to mention how it would translate.

 

[coivtny]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I *think* you are right. Funny thing is that I copied that exact same text in order to paste here to show that you were wrong and then had to re-read it a few times to get to the point where I think you are right.

Stupid or poorly worded rule. The only reason I can think it is this way is for policing. I can only assume it is easy or quicker to determine/prove what LGA someone is from that address.

As it stands it's within your LGA **or** within 10km of your home, that's pretty clear. What is not clear is what's meant by "from the start of Monday...a 5km rule will apply". It may be that the 5km rule, when it comes into effect, will be a blanket rule without reference to LGA (i.e. it replaces the whole rule rather than just modifying the 10km to 5km).

I'm pretty sure the 5km replaces 10km but nothing else changes. That's the way I read it and I'll be complying with the rule as I read it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

obtaining food or other goods and services locally (within your own local government area, or, if in another local government area, within 5 kilometres of your home).

That still reads that I can travel to get something to eat at Patonga or similarly distant places as it remains in my LGA.

If they meant 5km from one's home, then they needed to state such.

You can travel anywhere within your LGA for those particular purposes.

Exposes the stupidity of the rule. You either want to limit travel or you don’t.

The only exemptions should be the few that don't have a supermarket or similar provider in their 5km radius.

 

[Geo]

Good gosh the answer is obviously a pumpkin

 

[Tiger5150]

It is very ambiguous and shows how policy-on-the-run can create more questions than answers.

We all know the intent of the health order is that nobody can be further than 5km from their home for the purposes of exercise. And, if that means you cross, temporarily, into another LGA, that's ok. I just hope the emboldended Police, who are meant to enforce this rule, understand it. I'm not hopeful.

I think it's more clear if you just take reference to the LGA out of it.

That's the bit we don't get.. My son lives in the Canterbury-Bankstown LGA on the boundary.. His personal trainer is in the a-joining LGA but where they train is within 5k/m of his unit..

Can he go or is he blocked by the invisible wall..?

Yes, he can. As long as his PT is also within 5 km of his/her home too, if they exercise together.

So, if they're questioned by Police or ADF and they say that they're exercising, and it's obvious that they are, as long as they can show they are within 5km of their homes, they're ok. The LGA is irrelevant.

No they cant, Canterbury Bankstown is a LGA with "lockdown" restrictions. You are not allowed out of your LGA in CB regardless of 5km.

 

[coivtny]

Good gosh the answer is obviously a pumpkin

Very helpful.